Midnight Ravens Project Storm - update thread

[midnightraven]

Why hello everyone! Long time no speak!

I have been a little ill recently, nothing to worry about as I am on the mend now! Probably even madder than before!

As some of you might know I bought a Camry a while ago now, which has been tucked away in a garage for a while.

Anthony (cantfindausername) has been working on his MR2 Turbo which is due to have stage 2 done to it next week, so we will finally have time to start on the camry!

I took some pics today to start my thread. We are planning on removing the engine etc and getting to my place within a weekend.

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Please can you advise exactly what I need to remove from the car before I scrap it! lol

I will keep this uptodate as the project starts!

:driving: Nina

[cantfindausername]

:freak3: erm... the engine :moon: :rozzer: :cool: :D

I'll get back to :nerd:

[midnightraven]

someone is going to get beats later....

[Jiff Lemon]

ECU - Requires subtle dashboard modifiaction to facilitate it's removal.
Carbon cannister from under the battery tray.
wiring loom.

[cantfindausername]

Carbon canister?? Is this the thing sometimes refered to as charcoal canister also? If so, can't we ditching it like we do on the 3SGTE's?

As for the dashboard modifications.... can I use my angle grinder on that bit?

[biteme]

*sits back and hears beating noises*

Poor Ant.

I'm sure Woodsy will come along with a full list - although Nina, if you do a search, I'm sure it's been answered a few times :)

[midnightraven]

i know i have asked many times before! i just want to be sure! I dont want to mess this up.

[biteme]

You won't just don't scrap the Camry until you know you have every thing you need from it.

Check out the downloads section
http://forums.twobrutal.com/index.php?page=dlds

There's a lot of PDF's in there :D

[Garbe]

This should help
http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=4675

Make sure you keep the 4th ecu plug aswell.

That pipe on your engine looks like it will come in handy when you come to plumb the V6 into the 2

[cantfindausername]

You mean the coolant pipe?

I was wondering about that earlier as the filler is on the other side isn't it?

[cantfindausername]

Great thread that other one!

[Paul Woods]

moving into the mk2 v6 swap section,now you have your very own thread for updating progress nina! :)

[Shorty]

Watching:) :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Garbe]

Is the engine out yet? get a move on lol

[DVSMR2]

:popcorn: sits back an watches...

[cantfindausername]

sorry guys, it is my fault. I won't allow her any of my time because I have to get my turbo ready for delivery next friday. So next weekend we will be either making a start, or at least know when we're going to. JUst need to sort out the logistics about moving the car/scrapping the shell/getting the engine home etc. Basically a more thorough plan of attack. We will get nina v6'd soon though :freak3:

[midnightraven]

moving into the mk2 v6 swap section,now you have your very own thread for updating progress nina! :)

thanks paul! I have been having problems with my internet at home, and just nearly panicked when I couldnt find my post! lol

I cant wait to get started on the project! I'm so glad I can start on it soon!!!

*sits back and waits patiently.....:jump:

Nina

[cantfindausername]

*sits back and waits patiently.....:jump:


That'll be the day!! :blabla: rotflmao :freak3:

just kiddin darlin. I emailed Sue again today asking about moving the carcass once we've stripped it.

No reply yet tho :rant:

[midnightraven]

right! The project begins on May Bank Holiday weekend! We plan to have the engine out and the camry gone within those three days.

I am counting down the days!!!

[petec]

Its soooooooo satisfying having that V6 out of that crappy old Camry. You really feel like you've accomplished something before you even start waving spanners at the two.

[Shorty]

Good news! Keep that camera ready and good luck!:)

[cantfindausername]

camera will be about at every step. You just need to look at my site to see I'm quite anal about getting pictures of everything.

We've sorted out our plan for ditching the car, so we're all systems go for next weekend.

[cantfindausername]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet? What about the fuel pump for the swap? Is the n/a one man enough for anything? Or should we go straight for a walbro?

[foxy-stoat]

Paul didnt replace the pump on my swop, but are ypu lot charging this one, you may need to replace it if you are.

:)

[cantfindausername]

we're not sure yet. We need to really plan out what she wants from this car. She wants a twin turbo'd supercharged nitroused track drag daily driver I think :freak3:

[Paff]

mmmm similar to what I want out of my mk1 then :)

Damn I wish I had some money :(

[cantfindausername]

Don't we all want that lol

I'm considering getting a dead mk2 to transplant her 3SGE engine into. The engine is too good to bin, and then strip that out and have that as a dedicated track car. But I'm getting ahead of myself with this I think.

Need Nina to make a decision on what to do. Her car after all :D

[foxy-stoat]

Well greddy-matt on the imoc site is having problems with his lump...maybe a swift PM to him !

I have only just sold my old ge lump for £150, took me blooody agessss to get that for it. I did try n get a dead mk2 and use the engine that way, but peoples want farrr too much money for dead cars these days.

Good luck for the plans, or lack of plans you got !

I was having a wee look at the removed egr valve thingy and thought....thats a coooool place for the NOS jet to go !!!

mmmmwuhahahahahahahaaaa

:D

[cantfindausername]

removed EGR valve??

Yeah I figured that a quick transplant would be a better return on the engine.

[foxy-stoat]

yeah !!

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/314.jpg

ment to add a few hp's, but i doubt it very much...as mine only ran 1 oe 2 hp over standard on the dyno !!

:)

[midnightraven]

SO EXCITED!!! One day to go!!! Anthony and I have Friday off so I nice 4 day weekend for us to work on the camry, try and make up for lost time!!! Cant wait!

[midnightraven]

Thought I'd start a new thread so I can post up the up to date project pics etc as I go along.

We've finally made a start now and have drained the engine and gearbox oils, and removed the glove box to get to the ECU.

Then it was lunch time :blabla: I made baked beans on toast :jump:

Some pics will be up tonight.

Nina :driving:

[Garbe]

So the fun begins - draining the oils is a pain

[Marksman]

Then it was lunch time :blabla: I made baked beans on toast :jump:

Some pics will be up tonight.

Nina :driving:

It's OK, I think we are all familiar with what baked beans on toast look like... :hidesbehi

Nice to see your project coming along though :praise2:

All the best,

Owen.

[Garbe]

^lol lol

[foxy-stoat]

yeah, you gotta drain them oils.....................i didnt...DOH !!!


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hope your drive doesnt end up looking like that !!!

:D

[cantfindausername]

Well today was the day when we started on the camry. We got it jacked up, and spent some time looking over the engine deciding what to attack first.

We decided it best to take the fluids out first, so I set nina to it. Was quite funny to watch the oil come gushing out to her surprise :lol:

While the fluids were draining, we set on the ECU and COR. We took out most of the control units to sort through what we need when we're a little more flush for time.

While nina was doing that I thought it might be an idea to remove the battery.

With the oils out the way we got to taking off the exhaust. I'd given it all a spray with WD40 and the downpipe nuts came off nice and easy. The CAT bolts... ha! No chance. I've never seen so much rust and disformation of a bolt.

So... it was time for the grinder :cool:

With the exhaust now on the floor I made another cut just infront of the CAT so we could dump the rest.

Once that was off we started attacking the loom. We again wanted to keep as much intact as possible, so about the only thing thats been cut off so far is the lights. Oh, and the A/C pipes.

By the end of the day we'd got all the ancilleries out, and (I think) everything disconnected enough to enable engine/gearbox removal.

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So tomorrows work is driveshaft removal and then engine removal :twisted:

I'm looking for an easy way to get the drive shafts out without having to mess around with the front hubs/suspension... so I was thinking... :woc:

Any one have tips for the easiest way to remove the shafts from the box?

[cantfindausername]

yeah, you gotta drain them oils.....................i didnt...DOH !!!

hope your drive doesnt end up looking like that !!!

:D

Her dad would castrate me and dis-own nina if it did :lol:

[biteme]

Fair play!

[lodgeman]

with the driveshafts just undo the ring of allen bolts on the inner joints:thumbsup: thats the easiest way !! dont forget the 4th plug on the ecu with a length of wire attached! good job though:thumbsup: nice pics

[Marksman]

Damn fine work folks!

If you chose to chop through the driveshafts then there's no immediate need to drain the transmission fluid, oh and it's fun too!

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Damn you've got hairy armpits Nina :hidesbehi

May progress continue smoothly,

Owen.

[OlberJ]

Yeah, you aint re-using the driveshafts so just cut them. Mind and do it nearer the engine cos if they're too long they catch on the engine bay on the way out.

Remember to remove the battery tray. Can be done with an angle grinder or split the spot welds with a flat chisel.

Make sure all the fuel pipes are disconnected and remove your lambda sensors, they're a bit fragile on removal of the engine.

Then enjoy swearing for 20mins trying to get the auto clutch off. lol

[cantfindausername]

if the clutch is a bugger that might get a dose of the grinder too :lol:

We'll be attacking them nice and early this morning, and I estimate a lunchtime removal.

Nina wants to know where the over-alls are.

And i want to know what this 4th ecu plug is. I'm sure we've taken out all 4 with the main loom, but we'll double check that.

Ant :freak3:

[cantfindausername]

Well we just met our lunch time removal target so it was quite a good estimate.

Here are the latest pics having now had lunch and chilled for a good while.

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[cantfindausername]

We're still baffled about this 4th ECU plug that keep being mentioned.

Is it on the pics of the plugs above?

[foxy-stoat]

Think its a blue one....you should get the COR ECU and connect all the plugs up to it, all but one will be on the engine loom and one will go off somewhere else on a seperate loom.

You should be able to find the bugger !

[Marksman]

Stonking :praise2:

OWen.

[jasper]

Nice one guys, job jobbed :thumbsup: .

Ant, don't bend over so much in the photos....the camera flash bounces off your head lol That's how mine started...

[biteme]

Wicked work!! loving the obligatory "stand in the engine bay" shot...

Roll on the next installment - tearing down the 3VZ and painting it? :)

[cantfindausername]

Yeah you gotta do those shots. Not everyday you pull a monster out of its cage.

We'ver just finished on the interior work too. Nina got the gauge cluster out while I looked for the 4th ECU plug.

Hoping someone can clear up a few things.

- Have I cut enough wire? There is about 11" of wire from the plug.
- 1 of the wires loops across to another plug ( see the pic ) whats this for? Should I cut this with as much cable on as poss?
- What part of the gauge cluster do we need?

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Cheers,
Ant & Nina

[Garbe]

Great work guys - you get soo much satisfaction when you do it yourself and the cuts and bruises.
Lots of pics too.:thumbsup:
Good luck with the rest of it.

[cantfindausername]

Tell me about it. Ninas been doing all the work, yet I've got a hole in my elbow, a slice down one fore arm, nearly cut my thumb off and a load of scraped knuckles... go figure!

[midnightraven]

finally got a chance to get on the laptop, ant hogging it all the time!

had a wiked couple of days finally getting the engine out! no stopping us now!

I have been thinking what I would like to do to the engine now we have it out, and I think we are concidering replacing the majority of the parts. This is due to the fact when we went to drain the coolant we realised the previous owner had filled it with water - causing the pipes to rust. Not good, but we will deal with it.

Ant has also been discussing with me about the twin turbo idea and the superchargers.

I think having now chatted to Ant about it, I am swaying more to the superchargers, especially after watching the footage of Jinjas!!

What kind of supercharger do I need to look for and also what prep do I need to do to the engine while its out for a supercharger?

Nina

[cantfindausername]

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[Jiff Lemon]

I demand some of those pictures are removed!

It no fun knowing how easy it is to remove the torque convertor! First time swappers need to spend at least 2 hours scratching heads before posting on here or phoning woodsy! :D

[Paul Woods]

fantastic progress guys,good fun though eh? yeah jiff they worked out the torque convertor far too easily!

dont forget to take the vacuum cannister from the engine bay,and the dash clocks too.

[biteme]

Don't forget ...err ..errr ...errr ..

Dammit, they've covered everything!!

TRD Superchargers and on the list now? :P

[cantfindausername]

We've got the dash clocks already (just no pics of that yet)

We'll pull the canisters out today - will need to confirm why we need these at some point.

And we also need to pull the COR out as we've only got the plugs on the loom so far.

We're gonna get the loom off the engine bay today I think and start to clean that up. I'd like someone to confirm what we can cut off so we can get it all tidied up and put a side.

[cantfindausername]

Don't forget ...err ..errr ...errr ..

Dammit, they've covered everything!!

TRD Superchargers and on the list now? :P


Yeah we need need to find a few places that do them and start getting prices for them. - Any pointers?

[midnightraven]

we are unsure which part is the COR???? How do we locate it?

Nina

[biteme]

Yeah we need need to find a few places that do them and start getting prices for them. - Any pointers?
They aren't made anymore folks. It looks like eBay will be your best bet really. Or checkout Solaraguy.org forums and see if anyone there is selling a 1mzfe supercharger.

:D they're always popping up there every month or so :D

[Garbe]

You don't use the cor from the camry - it's the part of wiring etc you got from under the dash - you only need to get the 4th ECU plug from that
Check the below link for bits you need

part.http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=4675

[midnightraven]

hmmm ok...we looked on your link to get the ideas for what we need...we have the 4th ecu plug...no worries...

many thanks...

nina

[cantfindausername]

this part has confused me all along.

Sometimes we read that we need the COR, sometimes not.

We think we've got it anyway, so if its not needed, *shrug*

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We got the 4th ECU plug out the other day, but it was linked to another plug via a yellow wire. Its bits like this that we're struggling to find information on.

[chris99]

i may be corrected but i tink that yellow wire went to the cruise control ecu and therefore can be cut and forgotten about.

[Garbe]

The cor's that bit with the relays (circuit opening relay)
Don't need any of this - only the 4th ecu plug that you already have - I just cut the 4th plug out i did'nt trace where the wires went

In Pauls MK2V6 wiring write up he says - keep about 6" of wire on the 4th plug

But definately keep as much wire as possible from the rest of the camry loom, so you when you come to wire up, you have the correct coloured lengths to extend from the boot to the fuse box.

[midnightraven]

excellent, I know we have everything we need now. good job as the camry goes today! bye bye camry....

hello V6 MR2!!!

I am going to do alot to the engine before putting it in the MR2. There are many reasons for this.

[cantfindausername]

Well all we did during the week was say good bye to the Camry (pics for that will be up at some point I'm sure - ask nina)

Anyhoo... here are the pics from this mornings session. This afternoons will be up tomorrow (hangover dependant) lol

Enjoy (we are!!)

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[Shorty]

Girl working on car. It`s almost as porn:) Looking good from here. The engine:mrgreen:

[cantfindausername]

woop... a few more for the update :D

This is close of play today... more tomorrow :D

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[cantfindausername]

oh, we found quite a lot of crap in the sump. There seemed to be a few fracments of metal from somewhere, some gasket, and a washer that looks like its from under the head bolt (if they're similar to those of the 3S).

[nik]

booo..i cant see the pics..even if i put the pic url into my browser..

[Shorty]

booo..i cant see the pics..even if i put the pic url into my browser..

Haha. Admin can`t see update pics, bummer:thumbsup: :hidesbehi

[hmmmmm]

Looking good, and definatley + points on the pics, f**k 56 K :thumbsup:

[Garbe]

Great progress guys
Can't believe the scrap metal in the sump8O

[OlberJ]

Looks great.

Glad to see you had the same strange colouring on opposite head cover's as if one has corroded more than the other. I thought i maybe had a cheap replacement on mine.

I see you got the camshaft pulley off. Do you have an SST or did you do it some other way?

[midnightraven]

Tony - hopefully they did replace the washer but we wont know until we get the cam covers off.

OlberJ - we used the same method for camshaft and crankshaft pulleys; two flywheel bolts locked in place against the engine stand using a very old "pin handled" spanner. we can do a pic if you like to show the tool, and what the same method did to a screwdriver lol

[biteme]

Loving the progress here.

I hope Nina is doing the majority of the work though!!

[midnightraven]

lol of course i am! ant is my spanner boy! hehe

[biteme]

Spanner boy lol - love it

[midnightraven]

and a VERY good spanner boy he is.......

[GaryA]

I think cantfindusername just has :hidesbehi

[OlberJ]

Can i have a pic please. Do you mean you used 2 flywheel bolts into the 2 threaded holes in the pulley?

then a bar across those and an open ended spanner to turn the pulley bolt out and push the plate with the flywheel bolts out and subsequently push the pulley off?

[cantfindausername]

OlberJ, we'll get you a pic of the set up as it will save me explaining it. :D

I'll be round there tomorrow night so it will have to wait till then though. :(

[midnightraven]

we are back from the MODBALL RALLY and can now get on with my conversion!!!

so need to get a move on as I see another female is doing the conversion too...

argh!!

Nina x

P.S and no i am not posting pics of myself half naked...

[cantfindausername]

Looks like its on hold again as the gasket set that we bought is only for rebuilding the head, so thats really put me in a bad fucking mood.

This is pretty much useless, so if anyone wants a head gasket rebuild kit, let me know, and you can have it for £45 as I paid for it.

[OlberJ]

That's all we ever get methinks.

Head gaskets, and ruber gaskets for head and paper gaskets for inlet. Thassit.

[Garbe]

Which bits are you after ?

I have some stuff left over from my gasket set as I did'nt change the oil pump or the crank shaft end seals.

I'll take some pics tomorrow

[cantfindausername]

cheers garbe
I'll probs just get the whole lot from toyota as I bought bits and pieces with my engine build and it cost me nearly 3 times as much as buying the full set outright

[cantfindausername]

That's all we ever get methinks.

Head gaskets, and ruber gaskets for head and paper gaskets for inlet. Thassit.

Well thats pretty shit if you're rebuilding the whole engine.

[Garbe]

you can have the bits for free mate

[cantfindausername]

nice one, thanks Garbe. If you have paypal I can send you something over for postage and beer

[Garbe]

No probs matey - Just PM me the address.

There's also a sump gasket in there as I got 2 in my kit.

[cantfindausername]

pm on its way now, thanks again mate!!

[Garbe]

Be in the post tomorrow - all in the TB spirit mate

[cantfindausername]

Nice one, really appreciate your help!!!

[biteme]

Be in the post tomorrow - all in the TB spirit mate

Nice one mate! That's what TB is all about :)

[cantfindausername]

Can't remember if I thanked you or not Garbe, They arrived tail end of last week and all the bits were looking good. Really appreciate your help on this!

[Garbe]

No problemo :thumbsup:

[cantfindausername]

Managed to get back out to the engine today after a few weeks off...

Here are the latest lot of pics. Really pleased with how the sump came out!!

There is so much dirt and crap on this engine though. Alot of which has fallen into the cylinders when removing the inlet and heads, so we've spun the engine and will try and get them blown out before we attempt to move the pistons in the cylinders.

The bores seem to still have the hatch marks on them which is good, however, the front bank inlet cam has some scoring on the journals. I will have a go at getting some pics of these up when I bring my proper camera round to Ninas tomorrow.

The head gasket was well stuck to the rear bank, so will need to work at getting that cleaned up.

There seems to be some carbon build up around the top of the cylinder bores. Wondered if this was normal or not?

Also you can see just how rusty the water ways are.

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[Shorty]

wow. nice pics and looks like good teamwork:)

[OlberJ]

Rusteee indeed. Hopefully just superficial. Have you flushed it with a hosepipe yet?

Motoring along nicely though. It's great fun getting tore into that V6 :thumbsup:

[biteme]

Crackin pics! Progress is progress!

It's gonna come together. Nice and thorough there, Ant. Brilliant work :)

[adamh]

are you using new rings? nice work so far, btw i could hear you lot about a mile away lol, nice cars.

[cantfindausername]

Cheers guys. I'm making sure that Nina does majority of the work, its her engine after all.

I think we're gonna need to pay particular attention to the cams. I'm not entirely sure what can be done about them if they're worn. Need to check the heads to see if the journals are worn on there too. I don't really know what to do if they are? Any suggestions?

We haven't cleaned the block yet.

We should be ok to take the crank/rods/pistons out and reinstall them as long as we put them in the right order right?

Anyone got any spare stock cams laying around just incase these are not usable?

Ant

[midnightraven]

The heads and cams are down at AdamH's ... thankfully he tells us they look worse in the photo than in the metal.

Hopefully when we get these back from adamh we can get back to work on the project.

Many Thanks Adam for your help!

Nina

[adamh]

n/p guys, i'll report sizes once torqued up, i luckily have some accurate cam journal sized pieces of metal i turned up before for lapping the seats in, so they'l do well for acting as a dummy cam, then whip out and measure bore etc.

[adamh]

actually, i have every other torque spec for the engine ..but not the one needed.. cam shaft caps to head.. does anyone have it?

[midnightraven]

I've got the 3VZFE manual at home so unless someone beats me to it I'll post that up for you when I get back on my own pc.

Ant

[roseward]

http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/13/e9/35/0900823d8013e935/repairInfoPages.htm

Figure 6 me thinks !

lol

[adamh]

cheers folks, tone.. 12 to a foot! , must be something in the air this week :toke:

[cantfindausername]

Agreed, the 1MZ manual gives 12 ftlb.

[cantfindausername]

How many different manuals are there??

The one I've got doesn't have any 3VZ bits in there that I can find. Its all 1MZ :confused:

[cantfindausername]

Cheers Tony. ant@car13.net should be best.

[adamh]

hello folks, can you give me a little help as to identifying the heads, to me they seem identical, so i'm not sure which is the front bank or the rear bank. the marks on the heads were:

head 1: 1-6A / 12 and 7 / V7 on the side faces

head 2: V & V16

there was also a dash (4mm thick line line about 20mm long) of light yellow paint on one of the heads.


also the camshafts, which cam go's to which bank etc:

intake cams marked cam 1: N3
cam 2 : N1

exhaust cams 1: 6
exhaust cam 2: 7

hope you can help.

if anyone else can give me a positive i.d point that'd be great

[cantfindausername]

I'll have a look through the pics adam as they're high res should show up the info needed hopefully

[adamh]

:thumbsup:

[cantfindausername]

Only info I can give at the mo is that the rear bank has 3 rusty water way holes. The front bank, where there are 2 holes together, one should be clean as its blocked off by the inlet manifold.

STill looking for the cams. Some/All of them should of had which they were written on the bubble wrap.

[cantfindausername]

Intake cam on the front bank is the longest one as it has the dizzy attached to it.

Still working on identifying the exh cams.

[adamh]

ive measured everything but the caps assembled, so i'll hang around and apply what ever information you can find before i assemble. the only thing marked was the caps in bags.

[cantfindausername]

I know I wrote on at least one of the cams cos I remmeber writing on bubble wrap being an odd experience lol

Do the bits I mentioned above all check out ok?

[adamh]

they may do, i'm at home and cams at work lol , p.m me your phone number and i'll give you a buzz if its going to be o.k for collection tommorow. the cams are still in origonal bubble wraps after cleaning/polishing /measuring, we'll see.