View Full Version : Big Clutch Problem.....Help Needed
As you all know I've recently had the SC V6 done with the brand new clutch that Paul fits on the conversions.
Since getting it back from Pauls I've only done 620 miles and today I think I've burnt the clutch out JUST BY CHANGING GEARS...!!!
Dropped it done from 3rd to 2nd put my foot down and all that happened was the revs went off the scale and serious burning smell so quickly upped it to 3rd and the same thing so let off the throttle (hard to do in this baby!) and managed to change and gears clicked in but there was a mahooooosive smell of burning!
Obviously, I'm gonna need a clutch that can handle 300+bhp but has any one got any suggestions as I don't have a scooby doo what would be the best for the time being. I'm gonna keep the NA gearbox so would need a MK2 NA clutch.
Any suggestions peeps?
Cheers lads :)
cantfindausername
02-03-2007, 13:33
you choices will be limited from what I can gather. Unless you piece together your own clutch kit.
Do you have an N/A or Turbo flywheel?
620 miles, you must be having fun
I'm pretty sure i saw some NA paddle clutches on ebay motors.
But i don't know how good they are!
here's one althought it's for the 2.2 don't know if the fitting is different (number splines)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/XTR-STAGE-3-RACING-CLUTCH-MR2-CELICA-CAMRY-2-2L_W0QQitemZ160090503711QQihZ006QQcategoryZ33730QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
here's one althought it's for the 2.2 don't know if the fitting is different (number splines)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/XTR-STAGE-3-RACING-CLUTCH-MR2-CELICA-CAMRY-2-2L_W0QQitemZ160090503711QQihZ006QQcategoryZ33730QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Cheers Garbe but I don't think that's going to be strong enough...!!!!
Going to need at least 330bhp and 320 torque ratings... :)
cantfindausername
02-03-2007, 14:10
If you can, go for an RPS Street Max or whatever they are. A load of turbo owners on IMOC rave about them.
I've got the RPS Max Puk on mine, feels superb. Don't think it'll fit the turbo 'box though Ant.
Your clutch ain't too shabby tho is it!! :)
Going to need at least 330bhp and 320 torque ratings... :)
how much are you pushing with the SC???
I've got the RPS Max Puk on mine, feels superb. Don't think it'll fit the turbo 'box though Ant.
Your clutch ain't too shabby tho is it!! :)
Have you got an N/A box Johnny or is that a typo?
Mine's an NA box so will need a NA clutch is the MA PUK an NA clutch? I thought it was for tubby's.!
how much are you pushing with the SC???
It feels around 300torque and 300hp to me wont know now for a while as not going to get it dyno'd for at least a month yet!
You got an NA flwyheel too?
even if he changes for the turbo flywheel, its the splines from the gearbox that dictate which disc he uses. turbo/na have a different number of splines.
The turbo pressure plate may have more clamping force though.
Aye, i was just inquiring to whether a custom parts setup had been used.
Have you got an N/A box Johnny or is that a typo?
Typo! Doh. The Max Puk won't fit the N/A Box!!
It feels around 300torque and 300hp to me wont know now for a while as not going to get it dyno'd for at least a month yet!
Mine feels around 260-275bhp area. I guess a full dyno run is the only way you be sure...
I'm not being a dick here but, how can you put a figure on it?
I'm not being a dick here but, how can you put a figure on it?
Well, I know it's not as quick as when it was a Rev 3 turbo with 300+bhp yet its quicker than a stock Rev 3 turbo (proven). So I put it in teh middle.
Marksman
02-03-2007, 18:51
Damn, indisputable logic from Johnny, that's another illusion shattered, I'm rapidly running out. :hidesbehi
O.S.
I'm not being a dick here but, how can you put a figure on it?
In honesty mate it's a guesstimate! I've driven many fast fast cars, my last sports car last year was a TVR Chimaera 450 which 0-60'd in 4.7 had 285BHP and 310 Torque as standard but my cheap little 2 feels, pulls and behaves faster in my humble opinion that the TVR I had last year..!!
Personally my 2 feels like it has more torque than horses. I wouldn't be surprised to find that I had 20 more torques than horses when she's dyno'd :)
Anyway, back to clutches....Johnny I thought you was da man for clutches and stuff, you got any recommends mate?
:) :) :)
I don't know what to go for mate with regard to the NA box...
You'll need to reconsider when you twin charge!!
lodgeman
02-03-2007, 22:04
hi jinja, i have gone for this setup for my na box ,
http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57922
4 paddle helix - not sure what its rated for but if you have a dig around maybe you can find out the info! i will look as well.
msherry21
02-03-2007, 22:12
Helix clutches are supplied by Fensport and roguesystems.co.uk around the 400 quid mark and there are 2 options for the mk2 N/A none of which are rated to 300+ lbs, I think the most is 280lbs.
This is a tricky one.. maybe a turbo flywheel, turbo pressure plate and N/A friction plate, I think I read that on imoc not long ago.
I may just have wasted money on a Camry findanza flywheel!!!
hi jinja, i have gone for this setup for my na box ,
http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57922
4 paddle helix - not sure what its rated for but if you have a dig around maybe you can find out the info! i will look as well.
Cheers Lodgeman, it's a shame Fensport don't ost the torque figures for the NA's only the tubbys! I will give them a call tomorrow :)
This is a tricky one.. maybe a turbo flywheel, turbo pressure plate and N/A friction plate, I think I read that on imoc not long ago.
This is exactly the soltion Woodsy recommended or principals there on but I can see it being a bit of an arse. I'd rather go for a complete setup specifically made, if you know what I mean..!!!
Cheers for the help guys (except Johnny of course :rasp: ) :thumbsup:
Cheers for the help guys (except Johnny of course :rasp: ) :thumbsup:
You'll have to make your font a little BIGGER mate, so I can read it through the rear view mirror :)
:driving::thumbsup:
OK, here's some I've found after much trawling.....Any ideas any one?
http://www.driftworks.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=138
This one looks real promising but can't find a price or photos..!! http://www.mr2shop.com/CLUTCH.html They've even got a special V6 hybrid section :) but it doesn't bloody work at the moment :(
This has the right torque but what the hell is a 5SFE???? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042997050&category=33730
or this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042997141&category=33730 or this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042998429&category=33730
Can't keep my eyes open an more..!!!
Any advice on these would be greatly appreciated (beer wise of course :thumbsup: ) :)
OK, here's some I've found after much trawling.....Any ideas any one?
http://www.driftworks.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=138
This is the one I have. It's a turbo box only application mate :(
This one looks real promising but can't find a price or photos..!! http://www.mr2shop.com/CLUTCH.html They've even got a special V6 section :) but it doesn't bloody work at the moment :(
This is USDM and therefore 5SFE fitment, don;t know if that works with this set up. Anyone help? If it does, that's your baby.
This has the right torque but what the hell is a 5SFE???? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042997050&category=33730
or this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042997141&category=33730
Can't keep my eyes open an more..!!!
Any advice on these would be greatly appreciated (beer wise of course :thumbsup: ) :)
Let's hope one works mate. The 5SFE is the US N/A engine, 2.2ltr.
Hi Jinja,
I'm probably going to sound a bit thick here, but I'm in the process of collecting (and saving) for parts for a turbo V6 install. I'm looking for approx 350-400Bhp with similar amounts of torque thingys.
If you're planning on twincharging in the future wouldn't it be best to get a turbo gearbox fitted? The turbo box is well proven to handle over 400hp without major problems. Also there is a wide range of clutches which will be able to handle the sort of power you're chasing? If you do find an n/a clutch capable of handling big power , I'd imagine the next weakest link will be your n/a box. Not good as the clutch should always be the weakest link.
I'm looking at this clutch
http://www.jazzproparts.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RPS%2DSS%2D22905%2D SP
I'll probably stand corrected, as there may be other reasons involved as to why you're sticking with an n/a box but I'd look at future proofing the transmission prior to upping the power.
Hope this helps mate. :)
Lee
I will be upgrading to a tubby box with lsd at xmas time but I need something until then.
Ok this one.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042997141&category=33730 is the right size and year for my car but I need to know if the spline sizes are the same. If so for £150 notes I can't grumble. Does any one have a clue if they are the same or could some one ask their American friends for me please?
Cheers for the help peeps :thumbsup:
PS.....Really need to get this sorted in the next week or so...!!
I may just have wasted money on a Camry findanza flywheel!!!
/Vulture Mode On
Oh aye, if ur not wanting it i'd certainly take it off your hands
/Vulture Mode Off
Why have u wasted money on it?
Paul Woods
03-03-2007, 14:08
lee that looks perfect mate! seems to say its for the non turbo box which means we are good to go.....we need clarification though just to be safe.
Msherry who's mk1 v6SC im building in a few weeks will need to know the outcome of this as well.
Which ones better paul the 4 pad one or this 6 pad one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042998429&category=33730
Paul Woods
03-03-2007, 16:03
im not that clued up on aftermarket clutches,maybe someone else can answer that ?
msherry21
03-03-2007, 16:23
Those are looking good, can't help with the pucks though..no idea.
Will these work with the Camry fidanza flywheel?
Paul Woods
03-03-2007, 18:09
hi michael,good meeting you today mate,the camry fidanza shares the same clutch fitment as a turbo,so we'd need to fit a turbo pressure plate with NA friction plate onto that.....or ditch the fidanza and use an NA flywheel and use the clutch kit jinja has found above,provided of course that works with an NA gearbox spline.
I'd go for the 6 over 4 mate :)
hi michael,good meeting you today mate,the camry fidanza shares the same clutch fitment as a turbo,so we'd need to fit a turbo pressure plate with NA friction plate onto that.....or ditch the fidanza and use an NA flywheel and use the clutch kit jinja has found above,provided of course that works with an NA gearbox spline.
So we will have to buy a turbo clutch kit for the pressure plate, and have a turbo, or like, flywheel. And, buy a N/A clutch kit for the clutch disk?
Can we buy them seperate? Will the surfaces match? Can you mix-mach like this? Is this theory, or have you brutal mechanics already tried this?:confused:
The way i understand it is that the Camry and Turbo flywheels need the turbo friction plate. Then an N/A pressure plate.
If you use a modded N/A flywheel you can use the full N/A clutch kit.
This is only if you're using an N/A box.
Does any one know any one who would have a clue what the spline sizes are for my rev1 NA and the 5FSE? If they are same?
Could some one please ask one of their American friends and see if they know what size the 5SFE is as I can't find out for love nor money!
Cheers
Paul Woods
04-03-2007, 09:01
The way i understand it is that the Camry and Turbo flywheels need the turbo friction plate. Then an N/A pressure plate.
its the other way around olie mate,camry and turbo flys need the turbo pressure plate and NA friction plate if using an NA box.
Yes ive done this a few times in the past,mixing and matching clutches that is,you can use a turbo pressure plate with an NA friction plate no probs.....to help with the confusion,your gearbox decides which friction plate you have to use,as turbo and NA splines are different...i dont know for sure if the 5s-fe box has the same splines as NA but thats were id put my money....we need someone on the US forums to answer that one i think.
Your pressure plate choice is purely decided by which flywheel you use,if its camry or turbo then you need a turbo pressure plate,if its an NA fly then NA pressure plate.
Paul Woods
04-03-2007, 10:56
jinja ive sent a PM to a few guys i know in the states who are bound to have a definate answer on the 5s-fe clutch fitment onto 3s-ge drivetrain issue....awaiting a reply now mate.
Paul Woods
04-03-2007, 16:58
jinja ive just found this over on the mr2oc.com ....
http://mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=118463&highlight=5s-fe+clutch
the guys there say a 5s-fe clutch kit will fit on a 3s-ge fly and vice versa! so that uprated 5s-fe clutch kit looks good to go! :thumbsup:
excellent :)
i'll see if the guy will send to th uk
Paul Woods
04-03-2007, 18:38
michael you now have the option of either retaining your fidanza and using a mk2T pressure plate with mk2na friction plate...OR...going mk2NA flywheel and buying the same clutch that jinja is,which would seem to be the safer option.
If you're worried about your fidanza i can easily sell that to a v6 customer on your behalf for a very good price,or someone here will take it... at least now we have options!
Again, if you don't want the Fidanza, i'll take it off your hands.
Just to let you all know.....
It's looking like anyone who swaps an NA for SC'd V6 will need an uprated clutch for sure, stock only good upto 240lbs, far too low for V6 with a SC on there.
I bought one made by ACT in the USA today and it looks like it's gonna do the jobby fine. It's good up to 320lbs and including shipping only cost me £215...!!! BARGAIN I hear you scream :)
Web address: http://www.clutchcityonline.com/ACT/toyota/mr2.htm
These guys were really helpful and friendly, loads of advice and knew their stuff. I asked if they would write "used car parts" on the docket so I wouldn't pay any duty and they said sure no problem.. :thumbsup: BONUS.
You'll also notice there are loads of uprated clutches for the MK1 too :thumbsup:
msherry21
05-03-2007, 20:41
Jinja, Do you know the kit number of the one you bought? going to order mine tonight hopefully.
Also does anyone know where I can buy a fidanza flywheel for a mk2 NA?
Olber you can have the camry fly, no worries. I'll pm you mate.
cheers.
Michael.
Yes mate it was TY2-HDR6 :)
Just got back to this thread.
IIRC the 2.2 MR2 is listed in parts catalogs at local motor factors, so this could be checked quite simply.
msherry21
06-03-2007, 18:00
Jinja, what delivery service did you use to get it for £215? I was going to use international express.
msherry21
06-03-2007, 18:02
Anyone know where I can buy a mk2 NA fidanza? Jinja, you using a standard fly?
They (the shop)sourced it mate, you dont need to do it! I think it was global some thing or other (3-5 days) and it cost $70....
msherry21
06-03-2007, 18:12
BOUGHT!!! now just the fllywheel to sort now.
That looks like a meaty clutch! Cheers for your help Jinja.
Michael.
Remember to bed the clutches in for around 500 miles guys! No hard starts/dropping the clutch at lights!
I dont know if this has already been said, but from my research the Camry and mr2 turbo flywheel uses the same pressure plate.
For my build, I will be using a Camry flywheel with a s54(5sfe) tranny. The company that i am getting my clutch kit from said that i can just order the stage 4 turbo clutch kit and they can switch out the clutch disk to the NA one for free.
For those of you in the same situation you may want to consider asking them to swap out components to create a custom kit instead of buying two different ones.
BOUGHT!!! now just the fllywheel to sort now.
That looks like a meaty clutch! Cheers for your help Jinja.
Michael.
No worries mate, I'm just happy to find one too :)
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