View Full Version : Long term v6 thoughts
Jiff Lemon
11-04-2006, 15:29
Couple of things have crossed my mind about long term ownerage of a V6 conversion.
1) Oil cap and dip stick are on the front (Firewall bank in an MR2). Dip stick I think could be worked around (I'm thinking Mercs have those very long and flexible dip sticks - Should be easy to adjust) Any others incredibly long dipsticks spring to mind? Oil cap probably liveable with for short term using a funnel, but would it be feasible to machine out a "cap hole" in the second cover?
2) rear bank plugs - just how impossible are they going to be to get to? sure they won't need changing for many a mile (cos I intend putting super long life jobbies in whilst the engine is out) but what if they have to come out?
Have no fear - I'm not going to swap for the easy peasy option of a 2 litre tubby, I'm just trying to plan ahead and fix problems before they happen.
superchargedsam
11-04-2006, 15:35
Jiff just an idea as I have never even clapped eyes on the V6 yet but is it possible the cam covers are interchangable if you see what I mean, if so would it be possible just to swap them over, Im thinking this is doable but could be wrong ! As for dipstick then yes rekon the long flex idea is a goer ! Plugs well its like ferrari its engine out I rekon !
;)
Paul Woods
11-04-2006, 18:41
sam know your limits woman! lol the rear bank rocker cover is buried beneath the inlet manifold so swapping them(it isnt possible anyway) is a no go.
To be honest jiff dipstick access and oil filler access is good mate,not half as bad as you'd think its going to be mate.....as for rear spark plugs,they are tight to remove but lots easier on a mk1 than in a camry.
Paul Woods
11-04-2006, 19:14
i stand corrected! i thought they wouldnt swap due to the EGR breathers at the ends? surely swapped they wouldnt be in the right place?
Dipstick comes out fine if you gently flex it left as you remove it. Oil filling no real problem with funnel.
Rear bank plugs - p of p - if you use removable panel in firewall see p9 in "V6 the 2nd" thread. They come straight out and you can see them!! Much easier than when in Camry. In fact everything is easier to get at than in Camry - block drain plug, and rear manifold also nightmare but doddle in Mk1
Cambelt maybe tricky in situ although Paul says he thinks the crank pulley will come off and my engine mount will remove.
Jiff Lemon
11-04-2006, 22:36
Doh! I meant the firewall bank of plugs, ie.the front bank on a camry. Removable panel is planned for the rear (bet you haven't got those cardboard templates lying around have you JB!) so I'm not really worried about those, but the ones up against the firewall concern me.
FourVeeSix, you saying I can just swap the covers pretty much straight over? (damn that engine crane not arriving till friday! I want this lump out so I can play!). Why the need for a remote filler pipe?
EDITS: oooo! Getting my fronts and rears all confused!
superchargedsam
12-04-2006, 09:09
So my idea wasnt impossible then eh paul ;) ! (Some people you would think they know Toyotas like the back of thier hand ;))
Jiff Lemon
12-04-2006, 09:32
BUT! like Paul says, the breathers would be in the wrong position and youd need the remote oil filler option as how would you fill it when the filler cap would be under the manifold? :eh:
DOH! How big an arse am i? Completely forgot about that! We'll save that idea for stage 2 (junking the inlet). Oooo that'd also mean the inlet manifold cover would be the right way round!
so, one worry down, one to go! Firewall plugs anyone?
Jiff, if you are thinking that the standard camry inlet manifold will turn around other way - it wont, I wanted to do that. Take a look at the intake ports
www.peebs.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/V6/Intake.jpg
Plus you would then have exatcly fook all access to the dipstick !
Jiff Lemon
12-04-2006, 20:51
Nah, stage 2 (which is after the car is up and runing) is to build a custom intake manifold that sits in the vee raher than over on of the heads.
Ah, I see - btw, have you been spying on me? Hehe, I have planned to do that too :)
Marksman
13-04-2006, 21:39
Long term V6 thoughts...
0-60
:moon:
Owen.
Jiff Lemon
13-04-2006, 21:52
I'd be past 60 before that turbo had spooled up! :thebird:
Have a hatred of turbos; its the all or nothing throttle response - and the more you tune em, the worse it gets.
Marksman
13-04-2006, 22:05
I'd be past 60 before that turbo had spooled up! :thebird:
Have a hatred of turbos; its the all or nothing throttle response - and the more you tune em, the worse it gets.
I have a horrible feeling you're right. I've never owned a turbo before, but have got used to the driveability of the overdriven supercharger, so there is this voice in the back of my head that says maybe I'm building a laggy, overweight monster more suitable to cruising than b road fun. Tis a quiet voice though and I hope its very wrong. :nuts:
I'm sure the tubby / V6 debate :box2: will gather more steam when a few more of you chaps actually finish one :whistle:
Owen.
Not sure if these pics will appear, it took me yonks to post pics on old format site! Hey and where de smilies gone?
Hmmm clever stuff Nik
Hope these pics answer your worries Jiff we still gotta finish though
Jiff Lemon
13-04-2006, 23:11
Pics show up a treat JB and have quelled the fears!
did'nt realise the angle the 6 sits at - its quite laid back isn't it? (much like the car!)
Athough I think the V6 in my mk2 produces enough power as it stands to beat a standard mk2 turbo (0-80ish at least), I still would like a few horses, though. BUT I don't really want to go the turbo route. The hassle and the cost vs power increase and useability (5psi in my case, atm) just isn't worth it. Whereas a SC I can probly sort for <half the cost and <half the time fitting and get a kick in the pants from the word go. Superchargers IMHO are underated.
superchargedsam
16-04-2006, 23:55
Peebs im with you on that I love the supercharger and makes me smile more than the celica turbo every time !
lodgeman
16-04-2006, 23:57
if i remember correctly peebs you have the 3vzfe engine..... has you seen this thread
http://mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=140573
reckons he can get a lot more for not a lot of work!!!!lol
quicker this way.....
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?p=1403021#post1403021
I have now, good info m8, but at the mo I still cant justify the cost of a turbo, which has a 20psi potential, when I can use only 4-7psi of it on stock internals. Next year maybe, for now SC. Also I don't want top end power, just loads of low down grunty umphff ! :)
djdna2000
18-04-2006, 15:55
I'd be past 60 before that turbo had spooled up! :thebird:
Have a hatred of turbos; its the all or nothing throttle response - and the more you tune em, the worse it gets.
NA=gay :slap: :thebird:
turbos all the way :shades:
Jiff Lemon
18-04-2006, 16:20
Each to their own I guess.
Paul Woods
18-04-2006, 17:21
dan you need that sticker from the US that ive seen on a few 2's....
"if it aint blown,it sucks!" :)
Hmm...
Pussy........
Eff off Tony :)
NA=gay
turbos all the way
You're crusin for a :box2: so just :hoarder:
dan you need that sticker from the US that ive seen on a few 2's....
"if it aint blown,it sucks!"
Yay cool, I want one of those, ta.
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