The Twobrutal swap

[Paul Woods]

So, i like my swaps, who would have guessed! Especially first time ones, they really get my juices flowing, tackling all of the issues and problems as i go, i enjoy that more than anything.

I've built loads of car/engine combos that hadn't been done before, but my next one i am going to leave completely up to you, the members, to decide what it should be, there will be a few set criteria because i have some parts i want to use on the next build, but other than that somebodies suggestion will be the car i end up building.

The outline is as follows....

1. Must be front engined, rear wheel drive, i have an Altezza gearbox that must be used on the next project.
2. Engine ideally needs to be a 1mz/3mz or at a push, 2gr. Possibly Lexus V8 too.
3. Nothing too exotic, the subject car needs to be under £1500.... not necessarily a Jap car either.

Other than that anything goes, so fire away, if i get lots of suggestions i'll start a poll and put it to the vote.

[Paul Woods]

Also the subject car needn't be front engined/RWD orignally, as long as it can be converted to that layout.

[geoffmunt]

Love to see a Herald or Vitesse packing a 1UZ. Might struggle to find one for £1500 though. Or RX8 as already discussed a few times.

[Paul Woods]

All suggestions welcome.... that gets the ball rolling, the poll winner will be the car i build, or try to build!

1. Herald V8
2. Vitesse V8
3. Rx8 V8

[thomp1983]

Another vote for v8 rx8

[geoffmunt]

Was about to suggest a Capri...until I saw the price! Should have kept my old 2.0S I sold in '93 for £900 - would be worth about £4k now! :nuts:

[ironman523]

What about something like an iconic 70s Rally car replica but with a space frame chassis possibly in red, shove a Toyota v6 in it but make it four wheel drive, there's a challenge!!

[sketchy]

a reliant robin, with a 2gr....

I should get me coat, the bus will be here soon Im sure

[Deadly_Smell]

MX-5 V8 or MGB V8 1UZ or MGF V6 or Rover SD1 1UZ or crown V8 or X1/9 V6 or something off the wall like a Lada V8

[Hawk]

Toyota celica T18 cabriolet/convertible? Open top cruising with a v6 soundtrack :jump:

[gavsdavs]

Honda accord estate. The older the better. Something that really shouldn't be fast in any guise.

[sketchy]

the good old glob(not so)chev...(lada niva v8)not much different to the rav6 I suppose

x1/9's are to valuable, as are early celicas...

a cheap z3 on the other hand, modern car and suspension, fairly sharp looking(nicer than an MX5, I think). the only one's worth proper money are the 3 litre ones. it was discussed a while back by Chris I think before he bought the datto. and its a chance to annoy another bunch of modern sports car purists, that don't normally see their beloved cars molested:)....

he already annoyed the lotus people, and the porsche fellas. whats wrong with adding another classic euro brand of haters on the list now??

[Goldy]

Toyota corona v8

[Grenade]

Lada V8 or 1MZ.

Citroen Anything, powered by anything

(actual) Jeep Anything powered by Toyota. Maybe a Stripped out Grand Cherokee 94-02

Old Vauxhall anything, powered by 1MZ or V8

Porsche 94.... Oh wait, never mind that one :)

[sketchy]

Toyota corona v8

would not be a first...unless your talking about the 90's vintage one with the 3s motor??

much like the v8 beetle(had a 289ci)that used to cruise round town 15 odd years ago... or the chev powered mini's(had no front seat, and single seat above the diff head). or the rover V8 powered Austin 10, or the mazda 20b powered 323 sedan(seriously rapid little car, but had another standard car painted the same, complete with same exhaust out the back, and hole/filter sticking through the bonnet, so he could get one legal, and swap the plates for fun in the dodgy machine)

you have to be right out of the box, if you want to be original in this part of the world:(

[gavsdavs]

a cheap z3 on the other hand, modern car and suspension, fairly sharp looking(nicer than an MX5, I think). the only one's worth proper money are the 3 litre ones. it was discussed a while back by Chris I think before he bought the datto. and its a chance to annoy another bunch of modern sports car purists, that don't normally see their beloved cars molested:)....

he already annoyed the lotus people, and the porsche fellas. whats wrong with adding another classic euro brand of haters on the list now??
Very good point, and suggestion. 1mz z3. Make a reliable one :)

[widebodystarlet]

4th gen Celica with a 1uz. That chassis should be super light, and has great lines if you wanted to do a widebody. Also... pop up headlights!!!

I suppose a 5th gen would be pretty cool as well.

[cdwood2010]

Anyone would think I bought this by accident.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2015/06/242.jpg

[geoffmunt]

http://classics.honestjohn.co.uk/cars-for-sale/details?s=carAndClassic&id=C619352

1UZ Merc SLK R170. Buyable for £1500 these days, definitely.

[Lee]

V8 RX8 for me. If you could build it I'd buy it!

Only problem is they have hard time fitting a 4 pot so any Toyota V8 would be too big, maybe an LS would fit however budget goes out of the window then!

Alfa 156/159 rear wheel drive V8 in possibly one of the prettiest saloons/estates?

Actually a V8 metallic blue 159 sportwagon would be my idea of the perfect family car, also seriously upset the purists!

[geoffmunt]

Or a 147...always liked the idea of a mid-engined one with widebody a la Clio V6.

[Paul Woods]

Lots of great suggestions.... i'm going to rule out MGB and SD1 as they already came in V8 form.

1. Herald V8
2. Vitesse V8
3. Rx8 V8
4. MX5 V8/1mz
5. Z3 1mz (i happen to know where there is a cheap Z3)
6. Lada V8
7. Corona V8
8. 4th/5th Gen Celica V8 (although the issues here make my head spin)
9. Merc SLK V8
10. Alfa 147/156/9 V8

[Subby]

The mx5 would really annoy their fanboys. I like that idea

[Goldy]

V12 Altezza?

[snowtigger]

I have a vittesse but there getting to valuable to mess with these days, the whole drive train would need converting from the swing spring rear as it would kill people with v8 power, a jag irs with shortened shafts would probably work.
Moggy minor?
Honda S2000 maybe but a mk1 mx5 2gr hasn't been done were as v8 has.
Wtf do I know any way I will just get told to stfu, carry on it will still be great and no doubt piss off any purists.

[thomp1983]

V8 mx5's are already available. The magic words for Paul are a rx8 v8 is virtually impossible especially with a 1uz, hell he'd be outdoing himself if this one sold before it got off the drawing board

[Jiff Lemon]

if you could find one, KP61 starlet!

[Torero]

V8 Trabant :wave:

[sketchy]

Id v8 the z3, with lake pipes. and a bug catcher/ high rise filter stack on top, old school rod styles. maybe even no guards and bonnet, so it would almost have more in common with the likes of a willys coupe

might even get my pen out and scribble that one on paper...old school like

[sketchy]

http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/as-seen-on-ebay-bmw-z3-with-hot-rod-blower/

the right sort of look..but done

[mrT]

Lexus/Altezza is200 with a v6..
The original straight 6 in uk cars is parhetic and the 3sge beams in the occasional altezza is rare but underpowered...


Or perhaps do the chassis justice and drop a v8 into a is220/250 shell.

The is250 comes with a 4gr v6 engine but good do with more oooompffh..

[Paul Woods]

As much as the donor car would be very cheap, i'd like to rule out the RX8 V8, only because it has been done several times already...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSvvoOPjmDY

I will build one if that is the group decision, but i'm looking for a first time build ideally.

S2000 donor cars are not within the £1500 budget for a car, so that's out, as is KP61, way out of budget but cool idea.

[mrT]

Is200 can be picked up for 300 quid..lol

[Paul Woods]

V8 Trabant :wave:

Normally a simple "no" would do in cases like this, but i felt the need to reply properly John :)

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2015/06/252.jpg

[Paul Woods]

Actually IS200 V8 or 1mz is a great shout Az, after all the Altezza box i have will plug and play with that...... a VERY strong contender :thumbsup: best one yet in fact.

[Paul Woods]

Balls, 1uz is200 has been done a few times already, but i still really fancy that.

[geoffmunt]

Balls, 1uz is200 has been done a few times already, but i still really fancy that.

That's why I didn't suggest that or a 1Uz MX5 (or 190e)...been done already. RX8 too, but just too good to ignore...

[geoffmunt]

Volvo 240? Big bay and bullet proof disc brake back axle. Would suggest a 340/360 but been 1uz'd already too.

[jimi]

What about a Volvo 480, early one with pop up headlights ?
http://images.stayxo.com/automobile/img.autotrader.nl/volvo/480/volvo-480-hatchback-lpg-g3-grijs-001--19033416-Medium.jpg
Although IIRC it's FWD

[Jiff Lemon]

I second that one - Purely on the basis that
(nerd mode on)
it technically should be a 8 cylinder.

Volvo's used to named after series, the number of cylinders and the number of doors. So a 764, was a seven series, with 6 cylinders and 4 doors.
(nerd mode off)

Any way, its vaguely reminiscent of your Mk1 shooting brake, so it's another win!

[Paul Woods]

It's so farkin ugly though.... man i'd have to get motivated to work on that day to day....

Still love the IS200 1uz idea or even a 1mz, that hasn't been done..... what if i hit that from a different angle, mount an Eaton supercharger in the Vee of a 1mz (i would have needed to make a new plenum anyway), would a properly supercharged (none of this low blow crap) 1mz IS200 tick the boxes?

[geoffmunt]

Volvo's used to named after series, the number of cylinders and the number of doors. So a 764, was a seven series, with 6 cylinders and 4 doors.
(nerd mode off)

On that basis, wouldn't it have no doors?

Another one - Jag X-type 1UZ RWD. These look good in black with the subtle bodykit (Arden?), lowered a bit with 18"s.

OR: Audi TT gen 1 - it's do-able for £1500, just checked http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/audi/tt/postcode/cr35hf/radius/1500/sort/default/price-to/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew

[Paul Woods]

Interesting idea, adding Audi TT to the list, i owned the 225 quattro cabby for a while, woeful turbo lag, shit car if i'm honest, but looked great.

1. Herald V8
2. Vitesse V8
3. Rx8 V8
4. MX5 V8/1mz
5. Z3 1mz (i happen to know where there is a cheap Z3)
6. Lada V8
7. Corona V8
8. 4th/5th Gen Celica V8 (although the issues here make my head spin)
9. Merc SLK V8
10. Alfa 147/156/9 V8
11. Audi TT V6/V8

[jimi]

It's so farkin ugly though.... man i'd have to get motivated to work on that day to day....

:laugh2:
The IS200 is a long long way from being a raving beauty :laugh2: if I was choosing between the two it would be the 480. But then that's me :biggrin:

[juliankv73]

Anyone love the citreon DS6? Citreon had planned to put a v6 in there but decided on bosch fuel injection instead

http://www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/michelin/ds/engines.html

Always fancied one in black...now a v6 would be cool 😎

[geoffmunt]

Anyone love the citreon DS6? Citreon had planned to put a v6 in there but decided on bosch fuel injection instead

http://www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/michelin/ds/engines.html

Always fancied one in black...now a v6 would be cool ��

Isn't the budget £1,500 not £15,000? They are nice though.

[juliankv73]

Oops missed that bit lol, but what a project ha ha

[Grenade]

Interesting idea, adding Audi TT to the list, i owned the 225 quattro cabby for a while, woeful turbo lag, shit car if i'm honest, but looked great.

1. Herald V8
2. Vitesse V8
3. Rx8 V8
4. MX5 V8/1mz
5. Z3 1mz (i happen to know where there is a cheap Z3)
6. Lada V8
7. Corona V8
8. 4th/5th Gen Celica V8 (although the issues here make my head spin)
9. Merc SLK V8
10. Alfa 147/156/9 V8
11. Audi TT V6/V8

Maaaaan, the Lada Niva with a V8... that thing would have a cool factor that makes Jeep owners eat themselves. If you don't choose that one, buy one and over the next several years, start sending me that car in pieces yeah?
Imagine it with a 450HP v8...

[Whore of Babylon]

V6 Lotus 7/clubman?

[Paul Woods]

Can i get a donor for under £1500?

[sketchy]

Maaaaan, the Lada Niva with a V8... that thing would have a cool factor that makes Jeep owners eat themselves. If you don't choose that one, buy one and over the next several years, start sending me that car in pieces yeah?
Imagine it with a 450HP v8...

back in the days I was driving a dirty old Vauxhall viva(HC with the 1256) we talked about random swaps like the lada v8 and 1uz/rz supra, while standing around watching dumb monkeys race on city streets....

would be cool. wheel stands. big skids...

also putting a n14 pulsar (gt/gtir) body onto a Suzuki samuri(sj415) and turn the hatch body into a ute....roll bar and gun rack....SORTED!!!

[Deadly_Smell]

Austin A30 anyone !! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Austin-A30-1956-plate-with-only-16-000-miles-on-the-clock-/281734089387?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4198a90aab
Toyota Corolla KE70 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1980-Toyota-Corolla-Ke70-NO-Reserve-Low-start-bid-/331589478361?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d3445e7d9

[thomp1983]

You can get tommys mx5 ready version and mod it?

[Tommytank]

You could get it for a lot less than advertised. You can get it for feck all if you take the mk1 as well and give me it back running.

[Alex170984]

What about a Triumph Acclaim?

Pick em up for peanuts, good solid chassis and a big engine bay :) had 3 of them before the MR2.

Share the same headlights as well so keeping it in with the MR2...

[Race Systems]

Rx8 V8 1UZFE

I've got a great standalone you could run too! :icon_rr:

[snowtigger]

Bit left field but a 280z or 300zx or a blown engined rear drive only gtst skyline maybe more money but a 3000 gto, it's very hard looking for some thing that could be inline as most 80s/90s cars were fwd.

Dolomite sprint with v8.

There is an eagle project kitcar on eBay would be interesting project to build a front engined rear drive one .

[Goldy]

Oof Nissan Silvia Turbo (the 80s one that looks like an ae86)

[Grenade]

Austin A30 anyone !! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Austin-A30-1956-plate-with-only-16-000-miles-on-the-clock-/281734089387?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4198a90aab
Toyota Corolla KE70 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1980-Toyota-Corolla-Ke70-NO-Reserve-Low-start-bid-/331589478361?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d3445e7d9

The Austin would be cool as hell with wide tires and a V8.
The Corolla looks too much like a Beige Bastard Datsun that is slated to have a v8 very soon. Lest we forget....

[Grenade]

back in the days I was driving a dirty old Vauxhall viva(HC with the 1256) we talked about random swaps like the lada v8 and 1uz/rz supra, while standing around watching dumb monkeys race on city streets....

would be cool. wheel stands. big skids...

also putting a n14 pulsar (gt/gtir) body onto a Suzuki samuri(sj415) and turn the hatch body into a ute....roll bar and gun rack....SORTED!!!

Sir, I like your thinking!

[jimi]

Oof Nissan Silvia Turbo (the 80s one that looks like an ae86)
:thumbsup:

This was my S12

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2015/06/254.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2015/06/255.jpg

Loved it :icon_cool:

[Paul Woods]

You could get it for a lot less than advertised. You can get it for feck all if you take the mk1 as well and give me it back running.

My ears pricked up there!

So if i get your Mk1 running i can have the Mx5 kit car thing free? That sounds too good to be true! Where do i sign?

[Tommytank]

Yup. Space is my biggest killer. I've sat on that mr2 unfinished for bloody years now. The locost is even worse. If I got one runner out of 2 projects I'd be happy.

[Tommytank]

Of course, I'm just south of Aberdeen which is the catch that everyone seems to hang up on...

[Whore of Babylon]

Can i get a donor for under £1500?

Im just the ideas man, i don't do logistics :)

[thomp1983]

Get a quote up on shiply id imagine delivering both cars would be less than £500 if in no rush

[Paul Woods]

I'm definitely interested in a deal Tommy, for me getting your Mr2 running is a piece of piss, and a Locost chassis would be more than ample payment, just the transport for both cars here that is going to be a bastard.

[Tommytank]

Paul, how much of it do you need then? If its sans-MX5 lump, it will take the weight down a bit. There is the rear diff assembly, hubs and all the other drive-y bits... would you want a 1UZ blasting them with torque or would another route be more likely..

It may be a 2 trip affair based on the fact that the MR2 hasnt spun a hoop in 2 years. Its not MOT'd and may need other work to go through (i recal a horrendous brake judder that must be a MOT issue) so doubt "running" and "MOT'd and safe" are alike!! It may mean trailering the '2 down, then bringing all the locost down and the MR2 back on a second visit?

[Tommytank]

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2015/06/270.jpg

[Paul Woods]

My plan would be to 1mz the locust on the Altezza 6 speed, so i wouldn't need the Mx5 lump or gearbox, i would need the Mx5 rear diff/shafts and everything else but i even have the Altezza rear diff and prop here, so would likely go that route.

I would get your Mr2 running, safe and Mot'd for that deal, basically give you a running, legal, driveable car back, plus anything else i can do while it is with me.

Sorry to mis-direct the thread everyone, i know i said i'd leave this up to members to decide, but a 1mz Locust with Altezza 6 speed has me excited, and that is why i do these swaps..... still not set in stone though so keep suggestions coming.

[Tommytank]

Paul, I'm in mate. Lets go to the PM's so as not to derail the thread ;)

[Goldy]

I think this sounds like a great plan, given your last few kit builds have been built out of scrap and have turned out awesome, this should be phenomenal!

[Paul Woods]

It appears i now own a Locost project.... which will get a 1mz mounted inline on the Altezza box... and fuck it, throttle bodies.

Build thread will start sometime later this year, thankyou everyone for your input, it didn't exactly turn out like i planned but i'm very excited about the project.

[widebodystarlet]

That's a win for sure! Can't wait to see that bad boy mounted sideways...

[Goldy]

I was going to post this http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/201379772945?ul_ref=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2F rover%2F0%2Fe11021.m43.l1120%2F7%3Feuid%3D70fa8757 81834062a9255a4bffe089e9%26loc%3Dhttp%253A%252F%25 2Fcgi.ebay.co.uk%252Fws%252FeBayISAPI.dll%253FView Item%2526item%253D201379772945%26srcrot%3De11021.m 43.l1120%26rvr_id%3D0&_mwBanner=1 but it looks like the ship has sailed :-)

[Torero]

normally a simple "no" would do in cases like this, but i felt the need to reply properly john :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport%209/batmanslap_zpsfv0iz3du.jpg

lol!!! :icon_smile:

[Jiff Lemon]

It appears i now own a Locost project.... which will get a 1mz mounted inline on the Altezza box... and fuck it, throttle bodies.

Woah woah woah!!!! WTF happened to 1uz??

Don't get me wrong, throttle bodies is a nice tease but we want full fat v8! And to be fair, you always sell a v8 once it's done!

[Grenade]

Even for someone of your economical stature, where you can do whatever you choose, this seems like a no brainer. Get the 1MZ Locust. Hell yeah make that shit happen. Oh man, this sounds SO right up my alley. I just might copy you on something like this...

[Paul Woods]

Jiffy i need to use this Altezza 6 speed, and the 1mz bolts to that bad boy, i think a 1uz in a Locost (if it even fits) would be like owning an engine running in jig with wheels on it and a steering wheel!

Paul, you may not be aware of this, but the Locost is fully scratch built from plans, it's name comes from "LO- Cost" and there are full build manuals online, they have blueprints for every jig you need to make, which means you buy a load of tubes and literally build everything yourself, suspension arms the lot!

They have a terrific community and online resource, parts are really cheap, and you can base it on the Mx5 for hubs/steering/diff etc (Miata there), there are also several US versions using Fords as donors with so many build sets and plans on the internet it's impossible not to have all the info.

So come dive in.... we'll build them together, the waters lovely. :)

[Tommytank]

locostbuilders.co.uk ;)

[Jiff Lemon]

Jiffy i need to use this Altezza 6 speed, and the 1mz bolts to that bad boy, i think a 1uz in a Locost (if it even fits) would be like owning an engine running in jig with wheels on it and a steering wheel!

I'm not seeing a problem....

[Grenade]

Jiffy i need to use this Altezza 6 speed, and the 1mz bolts to that bad boy, i think a 1uz in a Locost (if it even fits) would be like owning an engine running in jig with wheels on it and a steering wheel!

Paul, you may not be aware of this, but the Locost is fully scratch built from plans, it's name comes from "LO- Cost" and there are full build manuals online, they have blueprints for every jig you need to make, which means you buy a load of tubes and literally build everything yourself, suspension arms the lot!

They have a terrific community and online resource, parts are really cheap, and you can base it on the Mx5 for hubs/steering/diff etc (Miata there), there are also several US versions using Fords as donors with so many build sets and plans on the internet it's impossible not to have all the info.

So come dive in.... we'll build them together, the waters lovely. :)

I started looking at those today.. I'm thinking of making a Locust mid engine and with one of these:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2015/07/19.jpg

But I'm sure all it needs is a 1MZ...

[thomp1983]

Sadly paul you put a hemi in there and you'll end up with something undriveable. Lotus 7's, westies, locost's etc. Are all about balance there exceedingly light so that amount of power will leave you with something that constantly spins it's wheels and steering that snaps unpredictably and would probably get embarrassed by a sub 2 litre model that can use it's power

[sketchy]

I'm not seeing a problem....

he doesn't own a tyre shop maybe...id build it though

[Paul Woods]

I agree with Chris, Paul a Hemi is total overkill, it will be way too heavy, very unpredictable and not very driveable. I do like your mid engine idea though, just the engine choice is wrong for me and i'm normally the one screaming "stuff a V8 in it" :)

It would be super cool, but that would be about it, unless you're building more of a drag car concept?

I'm even thinking a lowly 1mz is too much, these usually have the engine from an Mx5, Escort or 4a-ge, a lot use bike engines, it's reverse thinking, less is more.

I need to use my Altezza gearbox so my path is pretty much set in stone, i would just be very wary of over engine'ing the car.

Really stoked you're building one too though, we need to start a tandem build thread, it'll get a million page views per day and the internet will melt!

[Tommytank]

Locostbuolders have raved about the hillclimb spec ones using cosworth turbo lumps. Its horses for courses. As light as possible on track is one thing, but high power to weight ratio with the suspension engineered to put power down, along with wide rubber (not limited by arches here, just bolt on as wide as you need!) and latterly playing with downforce (totally flat bottom of car standard, tunable) make them potential hillclimb monsters. Anyway, pic speak a thousand words:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2015/07/20.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2015/07/21.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2015/07/22.jpg

Too much power is not the problem, its the challenge. You have a car that can take direct aerodynamic cues from past F1 principles (open wheel aerodynamics) so keeping a 1MZ gripping should be a skoosh.

[Goldy]

Remember he is American they don't need to "do corners"

[nu_york]

2gr 7th gen celica