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Hi guys been a member on here since about 2009 and have decided to make my first post :icon_redface:
Have been hiding in the background reading all your swaps and projects. Ive had my mr2 since about 2009 and finally managed to get my hands on a 3vz camry :icon_cool: well aslong as it turns up on Saturday and hopefully I can get the engine out this weekend. I no many of these have been carried out and may be getting a bit of the norm now compared to what some of you are getting involved with but I thought id make my own little swap thread anyway.
Anyway my plans are get the engine out and get it stripped skim the heads as its overheating replace all the gaskets etc and rebuild it. Ideally want to go down the road of fidanza flywheel, mk3 lsd, supported driveshaft, extended 5th, but we shall see how the funds go as we progress.
headcase
02-07-2012, 20:55
Go for it .if you get stuck you only got to ask .
Patrick
cdwood2010
02-07-2012, 21:23
Hi Ian!
Welcome to TB, or at least welcome out of the shadows!
Was that the Cammy in castle donnington? I was watching that one with great restraint.
Where in the world are you by the way?
C.
Thanks guys. Yes cdwood that was the one the light blue saloon. Ive bid on loads the past 12 months but been outbid. Probably all us frantically outbidding each other haha. I actually got outbid then got a email from the seller saying there was no contact from the winning bidder although i get the feeling it was a friend upping his bids. I spent all weekend debating to take the offer or not having doubts about the whole conversion.
Im from Liverpool ill have to update my profile. :)
cdwood2010
02-07-2012, 22:51
Well even at £350 that's a good price. The shell you can scrap for £120+, and the wheels if they're alloys fetch £100.
Most 3VZ engines benefit from a block up rebuild, and more if you fancy.
Download the engine removal guide to make sure you harvest everything you need from the Cammy.
Start a build thread so we can all join in, and stick lots of pictures in!
Chris.
Yer hopefully I can recover some costs, I potentially have someone after the auto-box so hopefully that can be sold. Unfortunately no alloys or leather seats it looks a low spec one ideally I don't want it sitting round anyway as soon as the engines out I pretty much want rid of it. Once its out ill strip it down and see what sort of condition its in and go from there. I was going to keep this as a build thread or should I put one somewhere else?
Dont worry there will be plenty of pictures and the all important angle grinder at the ready. :MK9523tn:
cdwood2010
02-07-2012, 23:17
Spiffing stuff!
Yes, sorry, didn't realise this was in the swap section -Doh!
Yep, don't forget there's lots of other bits between the Cammy and the MR2 that you can sell!
My cheapest build so far is £550 including the MR2!
Currently on build number #5!
Chris.
Yer ive read through your swaps impressive how you managed to do it on such a low cost. I doubt i can keep it that low the more i read about ported heads and other things just makes me want to go the whole way with it. Just hope it is all worth it when i first drive it. Going to try and sell as much as possible but i never seem to be able to sell anything.
cdwood2010
02-07-2012, 23:49
Yep it's very easy to start spending lots of money!
The best advice is take your time, ask lots of questions, take lots of pics and check everything twice.
:)
snowtigger
03-07-2012, 00:06
ello just down the road in stockport so not far away, and theres plenty of help here if you get stuck.
plus we like pics so cmon pics of said mr2 ?
Yer dont worry there will be plenty of questions and even more photos. This is going to be a while before its finished as i want to detail the V6 and also the mr2 has no interior at the minute due to me replacing the dash loom. Right lets have some pics
The camry
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/KGrHqNHJCsEcFzVNtbBP4JkeJC160_12.jpg
The mr2
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/003.jpg
Paul Woods
03-07-2012, 06:37
Hi Ian, welcome to TB.
dgh938peg
03-07-2012, 08:22
Hi buddy & good luck with the swap :)
Thanks everyone for the welcome. Thought i better post an update seeing as the camry turned up.
Well today was quite eventfull, started off in work at half eight untill half twelve then waited for the camry to be delivered which turned up about half two. Turns out the fella who was selling it actually works for toyota G.B and the car has actually been looked after really well. I am actually gutted to be ripping this car apart as its in such good condition and i actually really like camrys, it looks like it was someones pride and joy until the headgasket let go. Anyway i never got as many pics as i would have liked but heres a few i did manage to get.
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
Not bad considering, wasnt to hard to remove was out in about 3 hours, had to cut the driveshaft due to snapping my allen key socket trying to split the shafts so snap on can have that back, they were stupidly tight.
Anyway thats all for now going back to pick the engine up tomorrow from the unit then going to strip it when i get some free time.
cdwood2010
07-07-2012, 21:27
Nice Cammy killing!
Just had a thought too - if you can tow the shell to a scrappers you will get max money for it.
Dont forget to throw any scrap metal in too, and we always put the waste oil and coolant in the tank.
Also weigh the cat in separately!
Don't forget the ECU and 4th plug, and you need the clocks for the rev board.
Sorry you probably know all this!
C.
Yer i could possibly tow it but to be honest i just want it gone without any hassle especially as its on a sorn. The coolant, fuel, oil and some rainwater for good measure has been put in the tank already haha i got that idea from here i think it was from one of your threads. You have actually just reminded me about the cat i forgot to take that off.
No worries its good to refresh on whats needed just incase. Ive got the clocks and the ecu plug. Im sure ive seen a way to sort the rev counter thats more accurate without using the camry board ill have to recheck that one. Also do you lot use the gasket kits on ebay the seller is shirly9293 or are the headgaskets poo?
cdwood2010
07-07-2012, 22:22
We used eBay head gaskets on JapScrap (build #1) and they still seem fine a year+ later.
Paul woods said not to use them, he uses a different type I think.
A lot depends on what your car will be used for. If its a weekend toy that's one thing, but if you're building a track monster then it's worth spending a bit more!
Like I said, these projects can quickly suck up your budget if you want to go mad!
Chris.
Yer ive read differing opinions on the gaskets i dont mind spending more if the others are crap as i dont want to be stripping the thing twice, and its staying standard maybe ported heads i havent decided yet but as far as turbos and superchargers go its not a road i want to go down.
Its mainly a weekend vehicle as i have the A4 for the work bus but it will get driven hard when i get the opportunity on my private road of course haha. I havent got a set budget as such but it has to be reasonable as its going to be over a few months but i dont want to be spending silly money on gaskets that are overkill for my needs but if the cheap ones are questionable quality i might rethink on which ones i use.
cdwood2010
07-07-2012, 23:05
I think they're ok, I've got a pair here that I'm going to fit to my latest Camry acquisition!
Chris.
Paul Woods
08-07-2012, 08:28
Do it once, do it properly, spend the money on decent quality gaskets, if you use cheap ones it will bite you in the future and you will have the pain of doing a HG swap in situ on an Mr2, not good. Using crap gaskets is a real false economy, that is one area i just wouldn't scrimp on.
You don't need the Camry clocks, the tacho board does not give you anywhere near an accurate tacho, you can make your Mr2 tacho 100% accurate for about 65p.
cdwood2010
08-07-2012, 11:15
Which gaskets do you recommend Paul?
I know we have had this conversation before, but I know Ian would appreciate the clarification.
:)
C.
Paul Woods
08-07-2012, 11:39
Payen or British gaskets, even Toyota ones are only about £35 each, i personally use Payen on everything unless it's a higher build spec when i use Ferriday.
cdwood2010
08-07-2012, 17:12
There you have it folks.
The dark lord hath spoken!
C.
Thanks for the head gasket info, think it might just be easier to go with toyota ones lets face it the last set got past 100,000 miles. The payen or british gaskets dont appear to be readily available from what ive found when searching.
Paul Woods
09-07-2012, 07:17
Thoroughly inspect the block surface too, these 3vz engines are terrible for block corossion around the fire ring area, if there is any pitting you will need to do a full strip down and have the block decked.
Time for a little update
Thanks paul ill make sure I check the block over thoroughly when i get it stripped. Looking through old threads its come to me that ive scrapped the lower flywheel cover with the camry :eusa_doh: so annoying knowing everything was there that i needed.
Seeing the engine sitting there on its stand just makes me want to get it stripped down to nothing. Just need this weather to improve so i can get the interior sorted before i start taking something else apart.
Anyway here's a few pics of the engine on its stand.
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
cdwood2010
14-07-2012, 01:36
Hi Ian,
You don't need the lower flywheel cover (I'm assuming you mean the alloy bracket that bolts to the block with 4 bolts?)
Last swap I cut the mr2 one - looks fine and leaves a lot more room for exhaust options!
I have pics if you need!?
Chris.
Yer thats the one i mean, Id rather have something there than nothing as i think it looks unfinished without it. You could say i have a case of ocd. If you have pics i would like to see them if you could upload them. The exhaust is on my mind at the minute i dont no how to get round it when its in the mr2 as i cant weld or have equipment to. Also with the celica supported driveshaft setup can you just use the full celica shaft or is it a case of half celica half mr2 shaft?
Thanks Ian
Paul Woods
14-07-2012, 09:13
Is your Mr2 turbo or NA Ian?
cdwood2010
14-07-2012, 09:26
Ian,
This is the MR2 part:-
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/07/241.jpg
And this is it cut and fitted:-
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/07/242.jpg
I used a bit of cardboard to copy it and then trimmed it to size with a pair of scissors. I'm rubbish at getting things even close otherwise!
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/87.jpg
Personally I think it looks a lot better than the pointless chunk of alloy that comes off the engine.
We are doing Johns swap this weekend and I think we will be doing this to his too!
Chris.
Hi Paul my car is a n/a.
Ahh thanks Chris never thought of using that looks like I don't have to source the other piece after all.
Well another weekend another update. Didn't do much today had a little hour late on as I cant stand to look at that engine in one piece any longer haha I need to tear into it. Anyway managed to get half the loom removed and the inlet manifold. And of course the obligatory pics :icon_biggrin:
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
Just keep chipping away at it, it will surrender eventually. How many miles are on it?
It was around 113,000 miles if i can remember right but one of the head gaskets has gone. Looking at it now it could have been caused by a few things. The radiator on the car was in a terrible condition & the water pump looks like its been spewing coolant for a while. Managed another hour or so tonight so just need to remove the cams now and get the head bolts out. Im sick of removing vac pipes off the thing. Anyway few more piccys.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120722-00078.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120722-00079.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120722-00080.jpg
Edit: - picture links corrected. Cdwood2010
Right i think were due an update, managed to get the heads off a few days after i last posted and in all honesty havent done anything to it since, ideally wanted to get the crank out but still havent even removed the sump yet. Ill have to take the heads to be skimmed this weekend an see if they are able to deck the block surface while im there.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120723-00090.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120723-00089.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120723-00086.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120723-00085.jpg
Also when i had the heads on the bench when i moved them to store them i came across this, pretty sure it wasnt there before i put them down and cant for the life of me find anywhere it could potentially go. Any ideas?
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120723-00084.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120723-00082.jpg
Edit - fixed pics (cw)
cdwood2010
02-08-2012, 07:46
Hi Ian,
Awesome pics, don't take your foot off the gas pedal now! It's important to do a little bit here and there or the engine will end up in the back of the garage!
Slow occasional progress is better than none at all! And if you take your time it means you can spend a bit more on getting the detail spot on!
That washer is a spacer from the cam belt cover - it goes in the bottom left hole I think, next to the engine mount.
Fixed your picture links again. If you paste the IMG URL from photo bucket you don't need to insert it as a URL - just paste the link and the IMG bit at each end identifies it as an image and it gets displayed correctly.
Anyway, here's a picture of my wife. I call her Melony.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/70.jpg
And here's what the link looks like. I've changed the brackets from square to regular so you can see it.
(IMG)http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm247/shitboxracing/Random%20Photos/e258093e.jpg(/IMG)
Hope this helps!
And keep those pics coming!
:)
C.
I was going to build myself a Tardis but I just don't have the time or the space....
dgh938peg
02-08-2012, 08:27
Thats the metal liner out of a rubber bush. Similar to the one that holds the top neck of the MR2 coolant overflow bottle. Where it's from on the engine i am unsure....
Paul Woods
02-08-2012, 08:34
I concur, that is exactly what it looks like, it's hard to tell from the pics what it is, but the only place on a V6 engine that could be from are the valve spring seat/retainer (have you had the valves apart?) , if you take a better close up pic i might be able to confirm what it is.
dgh938peg
02-08-2012, 08:36
Valve spring seats are thick heavy washers Paul. The tops that the collets sit in are thicker too but this shape yes. Look plated to me too.
Paul Woods
02-08-2012, 08:38
It's very hard to tell, in the first pic it looks valve retainer'ish, in the second pic it looks like an expansion bottle rubber mount insert.
dgh938peg
02-08-2012, 08:40
I suppose considering it's sat on a mat next tot he head also...!
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120802-00101.jpg
Thanks for the heads up Chris think ive uploaded the pics right this time if you could confirm?
After your suggestions when I went out and started to check as soon as I opened one of the parts boxes it was starring me in the face, you were all right to agree it was a metal liner out of a rubber bush dont think my crap picture helped identifying it. It much have been stuck to the head when ive removed the cover.
Slow occasional progress is my aim here as I like things perfect although it never seems to turn out as id first imagined it to. Hopefully ill have some more progress pics during this weekend.
cdwood2010
03-08-2012, 00:30
Mystery solved!
Pic looks good, you've got the hang of it now.
C.
I was going to build myself a Tardis but I just don't have the time or the space....
Had another little bash at the strip down today managed to take the heads to get skimmed should be ready monday then I can organise getting them ported. Anyone know any good places to get this done in the north west? Or should i just get the dremel out an have a bash myself?
Never really took many pics today got in the zone an totally lost track of time and spent most of the time cleaning up the engines bodily fluids that it keeps spewing all over the garage floor.
Out of interest how much do you guys pay for a skim per head and getting the block decked. Been quoted £30 per head and £80 for the block.
Some pics i did manage to get
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120804-00107.jpg
Dont worry they are in order.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120803-00104.jpg
The mess in the shed.
snowtigger
05-08-2012, 00:09
Sounds about right price wise.
Well here I am again didnt realise it had been quite so long since an update the thread had slid onto the second page :SmackBottom: I do have an excuse though as I have been out on the mx bike with the past few weekends being nice the rebuild has sort of took a back-seat. All the parts are there ready it just the time side of things that i have not had. Anyway hers a few pics of what has been happening this weekend and a few of the parts i have.
Nice fresh block
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120916-00138.jpg
Nice flat heads
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120916-00139.jpg
Full gasket kit and oil pump
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120916-00141.jpg
Bearings and bolts
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120916-00143.jpg
Water pump and belt
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120916-00144.jpg
Just an idea of the colours im going for here
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120916-00145.jpg
And the block cleanup
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120916-00146.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120916-00148.jpg
cdwood2010
16-09-2012, 17:13
Looking good there!
I do like a nice update with lots of pics! Might even encourage me to get on with finishing the Cammy!
Chris.
Yer chris i agree we all need a bit of encouragement to get out there an get some work done its to easy to just leave it till another weekend. Especially now the winters comming once it starts getting cold outside i wont want to be out there. You need the camry done to make way for the 2GR :eusa_whistle:
Been out there today making some progress, got a nice week off work :jump: so hopefully I can get the crank in and have an assembled block by next week as long as toyota have my crank carrier bolts on time. Got some pics of painting the block today think its going to need another coat though ideally.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120924-00157.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120924-00156.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120924-00155.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120924-00153.jpg
headcase
24-09-2012, 18:36
Looking good not long now before its back in .
I hope so haha feels like its taking forever, i dont think it still being a bare block helps when the crank and pistons are back in it should start to feel like im actually getting somewhere. All this painting and cleaning to make it look pretty takes up loads of time.
cdwood2010
25-09-2012, 00:10
Yep, you get to that point where you stop stripping and start putting things back together!
Just keep chipping away!
C.
Well i haven't done as near as much to this as id of liked this week but oh well, had a go today at sorting the paint but starting to think im going to hand paint the inlet like i did with the block as im shit with a rattle can and it will look awfull if i balls it up. Also flattened down the casting marks on the inlet, its safe to say i wont be polishing it was hard enough getting it flat.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120928-00161.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120928-00162.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120928-00163.jpg
cdwood2010
28-09-2012, 19:37
There's lots of elbow grease required to get the inlet smooth. I never bother.
Clean the shit off it with a wire brush and baby wipes (yes you read me right there) then blast it with a coat of VHT paint.
Don't fear the rattle can. Lots of light coats. Less is more and all that.
C.
Don't bother with the dremmel, I used 80 grit paper and did it with an electric detail sander it was much faster!
Don't fear the rattle can. Lots of light coats. Less is more and all that.
I agree with Chris. This is how mine looked when we attacked it with a wire brush.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/06/30.jpg
.....and then when Chris and myself gave it a few coats from a rattle can.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/06/237.jpg
and with it fitted. Doesn't look half bad at all.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/07/410.jpg
We're no experts but it's worth a try, you can always clean it off and start again if it goes tits up.
There's lots of elbow grease required to get the inlet smooth. I never bother.
Clean the shit off it with a wire brush and baby wipes (yes you read me right there) then blast it with a coat of VHT paint.
Don't fear the rattle can. Lots of light coats. Less is more and all that.
C.
It was only the raised sections i was trying to flatten they really do annoy me. Yer ive purchased some cheap baby wipes they are actually very good. Ill have a go with the wire brush tomorrow ive bought the wrinkle finish paint so ill have to see how it looks. Dont think ill see my 30th birthday with the amount of fumes ive inhaled today.
Don't bother with the dremmel, I used 80 grit paper and did it with an electric detail sander it was much faster!
Think i need one of these now the dremel did struggle to be honest and the ends of my poor fingers haha.
I agree with Chris. This is how mine looked when we attacked it with a wire brush.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/06/30.jpg
.....and then when Chris and myself gave it a few coats from a rattle can.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/06/237.jpg
and with it fitted. Doesn't look half bad at all.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/07/410.jpg
We're no experts but it's worth a try, you can always clean it off and start again if it goes tits up.
I like the look of yours if mine comes out half as good as yours ill be happy, i think i criticize my own work to much at times but im after perfection and i dont think my ability is up to my expectations haha.
cdwood2010
29-09-2012, 09:46
Jesus I hope you're kidding about the fumes!
If you're grinding alloy and spraying:-
A) use a mask of some sort
B) drink lots of milk - it helps with the dust
C) work in a ventilated area if possible
It's really not good for you to get alloy / alloy corrosion dust / paint in your lungs!!!!
C.
Well maybe i was exaggerating slightly but i did get a lungful every now an again haha, at the time you think fuck it it will be ok. I was outside but in the corner to try an avoid the wind and crap getting in the paint. Had another little go today and actually got the crank back in the block it was a good day :jump: shame the toyota gasket kit hasnt got the rubber seal that goes between the pump and the block wasted about an hour looking for it.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120929-00165.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120929-00166.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120929-00164.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120929-00167.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120929-00168.jpg
aussiemr2
30-09-2012, 01:02
There is no gasket between water pump and block , you use Rtv sealant hth
It was oil pump i meant, sorry i was a bit vague with details there. There is like a o-ring that sits between the faces. There is one similar but a bit smaller for the sake of a few quid im not risking it.
aussiemr2
30-09-2012, 02:47
Yea you are correct, don't want to miss that one :-)
Shouldn't be too hard to match up an o ring, I bought a pack of different size ones when I was doing my rebuild
Yer the one i have is pretty similar just dosent seem the right one for the job, for the price of the gasket kit I'm pretty let down to be honest. all the gaskets are just thrown together with no description of what is what, obviously most of it is obvious but still a description wouldent go amiss.
cdwood2010
30-09-2012, 08:05
Was it an eBay set?
That's what we use but The Dark Lord hates the cheap head gaskets like fat kids hate salad.
C.
snowtigger
30-09-2012, 12:08
Halfrauds do o ring kits with different sizes in them, maybe worth a look see.
Was it an eBay set?
That's what we use but The Dark Lord hates the cheap head gaskets like fat kids hate salad.
C.
Haha ive heard of his hate for the cheap gaskets. It was a complete toyota gasket kit i went with the thinking if the originals done 10+ years then im happy if they get another 10 from the replacements.
Halfrauds do o ring kits with different sizes in them, maybe worth a look see.
Ill keep that in mind going to try an get the toyota one first though if its available and not back-ordered if it leaked i would be so dissapointed.
Well i got the oil pump seal from toyota in the end and its been sitting there for weeks i just haven't managed to drag myself out there and get any more done. :hidesbehi: Also ordered some blanking plates from Adamh which turned up in no time but have also been sitting there.
Ive came across these on american ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lexus-ES300-Toyota-Camry-V6-3-0L-Pistons-w-Rings-3VZFE-/300500930207?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3ACamry&hash=item45f7404e9f&vxp=mtr
Have any of you used them in your builds? Looking at the standard pistons they are numbered for slight size variations where as these are all one standard size.
cdwood2010
21-10-2012, 23:00
Looks like that item also sells as oversized...
Pistons with Complete Ring Set
+ Pistons (We have Standard and oversizes: .50mm = .020")
+ Complete Ring Set (We have Standard and oversizes: .50mm = .020")
+ Pins
Yer it looks like they supply standard sizes too which i believe is 87.5mm, and are able to supply 88.0mm pistons if required. Id imagine my standard is still 87.5 as i dont think it has ever been apart before, obviously i would have to measure first to make sure.
Had another go putting things back together today managed to get the oil pump and water pump on. Realised i haven't got a thermostat so just built it up and will have to pop one in next week. Want to paint the outlet anyway so it will have to come off either way.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121103-00185.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121103-00186.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121103-00188.jpg
cdwood2010
03-11-2012, 17:09
Any progress is a win! Like I tend to say, keep plodding along and eventually the car will be finished!
Loving the shiny bits! Keep them pics a coming!
:)
snowtigger
03-11-2012, 17:55
Could of painted the block black?
Any progress is a win! Like I tend to say, keep plodding along and eventually the car will be finished!
Loving the shiny bits! Keep them pics a coming!
:)
Yer i like shiny things too :). Its nice to start putting things back and to see the pile of parts getting ever so slightly smaller.
Could of painted the block black?
The block is painted black on the sides, i avoided painting the timing belt side and gearbox sides due to having to clean the surfaces for the oil pump and rear main afterwards. Im going to do the bits that are exposed once its built up.
Made a bit of progress on this over the weekend managed to get the new pistons on the rods well that was untill the last one messed up and now the gudgeon pin is tight in the conrod. :icon_eek:
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121209-00232.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121209-00233.jpg
Also bought an adaptor for the airflow meter so i can stick a dirty big cone filter on the end of it but it appears to small for the outer part of the airflow meter. Might have got one thats not suitable although the holes line up perfectly.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121209-00231.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121209-00230.jpg
cdwood2010
10-12-2012, 22:25
That looks pretty close Ian. Maybe just a bit of Dremel time?
I used to buy the cheapie alloy ones and grind them out. Then i found the Apexi ones, which are quite nice if you can find them!
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?19457-3VZ-FE-AFM-Air-Filter-Adapter-Solution&highlight=3vz-fe+apexi
I'm not sure theres a perfect solution, i think the best solutions always need a little bit of fettling.
c.
I think your right looking at your other thread its a compromise as nobody probably expected anyone to put a cone filter on a camry. Just noticed the gasket on your first picture actually covers the outer holes up so i was worrying over nothing on that one. I looked out for an apexi style one but they seem to be rare as rocking horse shit.
cdwood2010
10-12-2012, 23:06
The Apexi ones are originally MR2 Turbo - seems its the same fit.
c.
Ill stick with this one for now and keep a lookout for an apexi.
Had a little go on the rebuild today managed to get two pistons in. Would have liked to do more but it was damn cold out and starting to get dark.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121211-00005.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121211-00004.jpg
Managed to get another three pistons in today just one more to go now wish it didn't get dark so soon. Also managed to paint the alternator bracket and the airflow meter although I think there going to need a few coats as they don't look as good as the pics make out there a little streaky.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121228-00013.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121228-00014.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121228-00016.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121228-00017.jpg
thomp1983
28-12-2012, 20:45
looking good, bit red for me but then i have a blue 2, the scheme probably suits yours
chris
looking good, bit red for me but then i have a blue 2, the scheme probably suits yours
chris
I have a goodwood green MR2 so hopefully the colour goes with it. I debated for a long time what colour to do it and decided on black and red. I suppose only time will tell if it all works out. :eusa_pray:
thomp1983
28-12-2012, 21:35
should be good, goodwood green is quite dark anyway so id imagine you engine bay isn't far off looking like black anyway. when do you reckon it'll be in and running then?
Yer it is pretty dark in there, I was debating painting just the bay black at one point but sort of gone off the idea as its to much hassle. Not sure of a running date I've got no planned date to be honest but I would like sometime next summer. I've got to put the interior back together first though before I even consider tackling the engine.
Right I've got all pistons back in now thanks to Chris wood for supplying a number 1 con-rod as I damaged the small end bearing getting the gudgeon pin out. Its been a while but I'm happy that I've got to this point. As usual I've hit a problem with the engine being stripped for so long I've forgot what goes here if anything on this 10mm bolt under the baffle plate. I'm sure nothing attached to it but I don't want to risk it and just build it up without checking. Its the bolt in the centre of the pictures.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121230-00019_zps5a162899.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20121230-00018_zpsd02a4fa0.jpg
cdwood2010
02-01-2013, 01:22
Ian I think we had the same question when we did Pats rebuild.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2013/01/1.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2013/01/2.jpg
I think we came to the same conclusion. It doesn't seem to do anything. Although I doubt Totty put it in for fun.
C.
That's good news ill just nip it up next time I get out there, haven't been out this weekend so unfortunately no progress although I did pick this up today :eusa_dance:
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20130105-00023_zpse1e47188.jpg
cdwood2010
05-01-2013, 17:16
Yummy.
Expensive?
Yummy.
Expensive?
Paid £195 for it. Is expensive but cant seem to find cheap mk3 gearboxes anywhere.
thomp1983
05-01-2013, 19:14
it's about the going rate for them now, i bought 2 for £60 each about 6 months ago since then the prices have rocketed, a mix of mr2 n/a owners wanting them and elise circles using them for racing. are you fitting it yourself or having someone do it for you? are you going for the longer 5th gears aswell?
chris
it's about the going rate for them now, i bought 2 for £60 each about 6 months ago since then the prices have rocketed, a mix of mr2 n/a owners wanting them and elise circles using them for racing. are you fitting it yourself or having someone do it for you? are you going for the longer 5th gears aswell?
chris
Yer the prices have gone through the roof, still the cheapest option when you consider a quaife diff is about £800, and a new Toyota part is probably more than that. The guy I got it from breaks mk3's and he was saying he sells a few a week.
I'm going to fit it myself when the time comes im pretty familiar with gearboxes so im not to concerned about stripping it down just hope I can get the bearings off without damaging them, might have to ask a gearbox specialist to swap the bearings if it comes to it. And yes im fitting the longer 5th gears while its stripped.
thomp1983
05-01-2013, 23:02
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2013/01/52.jpg
that's a picture of the cobbled together tool i removed my bearings with, it's the threaded bar and top piece of my main heavy duty 2 legged puller mated to the legs of a small draper puller that were ground down to fit in the recesses just under the bearings on the na diff, it was a proper lash up as you can see but worked perfectly and allowed me to salvage the speedo drive aswell
Ill see what I've got lying round to try an make something like you have. Ill practice on the LSD diff bearings first as there the mk3 ones it does not matter if i damage them, if I damage them ill take it the gearbox place.
More work commenced on the engine today, got the sump baffle plate on along with the strainer & knock sensors and water bypass pipe so that pretty much completes the block rebuild. Not alot really but got some parts painting done also. The locking connectors broke as I pushed the connectors on the knock sensors. No biggie really considering most parts on these engines are best part of 20 years old it could have been worse.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20130112-00025_zpsd84b3155.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20130112-00024_zpsbf08c333.jpg
On another note i despise the new photobucket :rant:
Paul Woods
13-01-2013, 08:36
On another note i despise the new photobucket :rant:
So do i, it's dreadful, luckily you can switch back to the old version on the site.
cdwood2010
13-01-2013, 12:10
I tend to use the iPhone app more than the site these days, but I agree, the new look is a bit of a shock to the system.
Ian - those knock sensors crumble due to age and of course heat exposure due to their location.
We put silicone sealant (or gasket seal) on them just to keep them in place. Works a treat.
C.
Right decided to try an pick this project back up again as not a lot has been happening recently, had a few days off work so been trying to get the interior back in one piece before i carry on with the engine rebuild just wish it would stop raining. Finally got my hands on a turbo clutch pedal so managed to get that fitted and now need to try an fit the door speakers some how as they are far to big for the hole. Here is some pics of the dash loom replacement before the dash went back in.
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/IMG-20120527-00024_zps8b2bbb26.jpg (http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/Ian_86/media/IMG-20120527-00024_zps8b2bbb26.jpg.html)
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120525-00022_zps20f4d885.jpg (http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/Ian_86/media/Knowsley-20120525-00022_zps20f4d885.jpg.html)
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120525-00021_zps34f59b2a.jpg (http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/Ian_86/media/Knowsley-20120525-00021_zps34f59b2a.jpg.html)
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s459/Ian_86/Knowsley-20120525-00020_zps8d000255.jpg (http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/Ian_86/media/Knowsley-20120525-00020_zps8d000255.jpg.html)
cdwood2010
30-05-2013, 07:08
Dear god someone's pinched your dashboard.
So what happened there then?
Chris.
Dear god someone's pinched your dashboard.
So what happened there then?
Chris.
The previous owner decided it was to much hassle to get an adapter lead for the radio so decided to chop the original loom to pieces, you can make out the mess in the last pic.
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