New porsche Mirage project

[princemd]

this is my porsche mirage replica based on an mr2 spyder .. its been over a year so far ..

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/220.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/221.jpg
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http://s1066.photobucket.com/albums/u414/princemd/?action=view&current=VID_20120424_171858.mp4

here's a link for the pictures album :

http://s1066.photobucket.com/albums/u414/princemd/



http://s1066.photobucket.com/albums/u414/princemd/?action=view&current=VID_20120424_171858.mp4

[nik]

now that is sexy! more more more :p

[princemd]

i have much more photos of advanced stages... but every time i try to upload it says that i dont have anymore quota :S

[nik]

you can use a file host such as photobucket and post links that way.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?11108-How-to-post-pictures&highlight=how+post+pictures

[adamh]

i really like the look of that body actually. are you going to put any different engine side? or retain the original. welcome to the middle east region btw :thumbsup:

[princemd]

im currently searching for the appropriate modification for the engine ... i need a 1zz or 2zz modified engine + transmission that can give around 350+ HP .. i have worked on the aerodynamics calculations of the car with a expert so i have the car external body at its maximum aerodynamic performance .. now i need help with the engine and transmission .. im searching on the internet for that .. any ideas ?? ..after im done with the engine .. the next step would be the wheels and the breaking system of the car .. i need some help with the car interior too ..

[princemd]

and here's the video .. :D




http://s1066.photobucket.com/albums/u414/princemd/?action=view&current=VID_20120424_171858.mp4

[princemd]

and here's the full pictures album :

http://s1066.photobucket.com/albums/u414/princemd/

[adamh]

searching the net? plenty of engine options right here, people fit 3sgte , 3vzfe, 1mzfe, all for around 200hp 200ftlb torque, good price, work moderate build for the home. check out the woodsport forum here, he is putting 325hp 2GRFE v6 toyota into the mrS. more work although. 2.0L 3sgte turbo can easily be tuned with a different turbo to 350 hp .

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?19543-Another-2gr-fe-Roadster

[princemd]

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/223.jpg

[princemd]

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/224.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/225.jpg

[princemd]

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/228.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/236.jpg

[princemd]

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/227.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/229.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/230.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/231.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/232.jpg

[Goldy]

This looks great, Some real nice work there!

[snowtigger]

Like the front but the back just doesn't do it with that roof scoop needs to be more flow looks a bit not right.

[Paul Woods]

You have some serious skills my friend, love what you're doing.

[nik]

absolutely love it!! and its pretty true to the original, though you need to get her finished and painted sharpish so i can have a good look!
personally love the back end, porsche went with the concept car look and i think its beautiful.
just out of interest, how does this kit tackle the see through bay cover, does it have dummy layovers like the 360 or are you doing solid covers?

[princemd]

thanks Paul ... still hopping for your help with the engine and transmission ..:)

Nik .. im using solid covers .. but theres gonna be a camera installed for the rear view just like in this image :
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/240.jpg

[princemd]

i need to buy an engine with a transmission that fits into this MRS .. i need 350+ hp with appropriate modified transmission for max performance and ship it to lebanon... any help guys ?

[hmmmmm]

Only way to get +350bhp without going mental V8, is a build 3SGTE. But imho a car like this deserves a 2GR-FE, they will get you around 320bhp but its a NA V6, so no turbo lag, and a porsche needs a V6 tbh!
Both require a E153 (mr2 mk2 turbo) gearbox, i would go for rev2 or 3 (stronger synchros if im not mistaken), and fit and LSD and longer 5th gear.

[nik]

i agree. you need the sound of two banks on a car like that. 2gr would be my choice.

[princemd]

i heard that i can modify the same engine installed on the car with aftermarket parts and get over 350hp .. im not quite sure .. thats what i heard .. i saw a couple of turbo kits also that could be installed on the 1zz engine that could boost the hp from 128 to 300 .. though i doubt it too .. my request is to buy a fully modified engine & transmission that ftis originally on the car without modifying the body .. i want to take out the eld engine and directly install the new one .. any ideas ? or sources that buy such things .?? i really need help on this one

.. uploading soon the massacre i've done with the car interior :-P

[snowtigger]

Now seeing the Porsche painted pictures in white and black looks much better go figure, perhaps it being in primer grey doesn't show it at its best, I'm not a big fan of Porsche rears any way but it's growing on me.

The 1zz/2zz turbo option at 300bhp is going to be all in a short power band near the top and unless you start spending mega money on internals you would be better shipping it to Woodsport and fitting a 2gr that thing deserves the raw umph the 2gr delivers.

[princemd]

here are some photos of the car interior and the changes made so far ...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/306.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/307.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/308.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/309.jpg

[Star_69]

i heard that i can modify the same engine installed on the car with aftermarket parts and get over 350hp .. im not quite sure .. thats what i heard .. i saw a couple of turbo kits also that could be installed on the 1zz engine that could boost the hp from 128 to 300 .. though i doubt it too .. my request is to buy a fully modified engine & transmission that ftis originally on the car without modifying the body .. i want to take out the eld engine and directly install the new one .. any ideas ? or sources that buy such things .?? i really need help on this one

.. uploading soon the massacre i've done with the car interior :-P

I'm loving your project so far. I've seen a similar kit on Luxurypart.com and think it looks amazing. Unfortunately you wouldn't be able to get 300 bhp on a standard 1zz or 2zz without being rebuilt and theres no 'off the shelf kit' that will get you there. There's a few 1zz's kicking about with 9:1 wiseco's and lots of boost and even then hitting the 300 mark is pretty rare. If you want to boost the standard 1zz, Matt who runs Silverstone Performance is the guy you want to talk to. He was the UK TTE turbo dealer and developed his own kits safely taking the 1zz to its limits. http://www.rt-racer.com/pages/turbo_upgrades_47961.cfm ... Most people reliably get between 200-260ish bhp on stock internals with standard box (clutch obviously not)

Don't get me wrong there are a few 320-400 monsters out there but that's pretty far from a drop in. The 2zz is a nice engine and has more power than an NA 1zz due to valve lift, but as Tiggs said its very peaky (the magic happens from 6250 - 8500k). Combined with the C64 gearbox it screams to readline in valve lift then shifting keeps it in the power band. Theres not much difference to the 1zz lower down (below 6250k), but its still lacking in torque. Don't get me wrong it sounds amazing (awesome noise) and great for holding on to gears in corners.. Boosting it can be tricky. It is a higher compression than the 1zz (11.5:1 opposed to 10.5:1) so options are limited without rebuilding, which everyone does for that figure. My 2zz came supercharged (TTE) with '215', which is conservative after you add the breathing mods and standalone ECU, but lotus quote 240 on their intercooled exige. MWR (Monkeywrenchracing.com) have had great results boosting with their turbo kits and BOE (http://www.boefabrication.com) sell supercharger kits to the 2zz lotus boys promising '300-400hp' (depending on kit with intercooler or not) on stock internals - its the TVS1320. Nobody's put one in an mr2 yet despite it being sex on a stick. It WILL foul the firewall and you'd have to cuting a maintenance hatch behind the storage bins to make room (already considered it)... Obviously standalone ECU etc... Also the 2zz box (not sure on the 1zz) shits itself on anything over 175ft/lbs torque. Might be worth mentioning, so a lot of high power lotus 2zz guys switch to the e153 trans...

And then theres the holy grail 2gr-fe swap from Woodsport (or somewhere a tad more local to the Lebanese Republic) as mentioned above. Comes with the e153; You'd get the noise, the power and the OEM drivability a 1zz/2zz modded to 300-350bhp wouldn't be able to give you, which is more suited for a Porsche rep. Anyway... have a google at the links (MWR will sell built 1zz/2zz off the shelf - to answer one of your questions) and good luck with the rest of the build!

Excuse the grammar. The sun's come out today and we found the beer garden! :)

Brad

[princemd]

... im going for a honda V-tech type-R engine .. 240 hp . with some modifications , this engine can easily reach 300 hp with out turbo.

what do you say ?? any other opinions ?

[snowtigger]

I wouldn't bother with the vetc yes you can get mega bhp but your missing the big picture the Honda needs to scream to get any were all the time, supercharging or turboing is going to cost a fortune and I hate to say it but reliability will probably suffer unless your going to upgrade the whole engine, but hey what do I know go ahead, I personally wouldn't waste the money trying to make it work.

Well some people fit Alfa and Audi even BMW engines in mr2s so you go for it be the first.

[princemd]

snowtrigger .. man i've seen this engine running on a honda civic .. believe it of not this guy took down a bmw m3 , i saw it all and thats why i bought his car , to take his engine .. it is all modified he even added boards and chips to it everything in this engine is upgraded ... maybe a normal v-tech engine is a waste of money .. but this specific engine worth it all ..

[princemd]

some new photos just before the car is moved to the mechanic garage ... nice ehh ???

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/348.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/349.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/350.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/351.jpg

this pic is edited ... bigger wheels
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/352.jpg

[snowtigger]

snowtrigger .. man i've seen this engine running on a honda civic .. believe it of not this guy took down a bmw m3 , i saw it all and thats why i bought his car , to take his engine .. it is all modified he even added boards and chips to it everything in this engine is upgraded ... maybe a normal v-tech engine is a waste of money .. but this specific engine worth it all ..

Fair enough I'm glad you've not got a standard one and he's uprated it and you've seen it working, just don't forget your body kit equals more weight to move over a standard body so power to weight may suffer unless you've really been good at keeping it to a bare minimum.

Looks very nice the side profile will probably look a whole lot better in paint what colours are you going for? The white and black scheme looks very nice.

[GaryA]

My mate has a 235 bhp dc5 - k pro ecu , bigger inlet manifold , full spoon exhaust , airbox with intake under the wipers, now I'm a turbo man but my God his car flys . For a 2lt na , he still wants to put a Jackson charger on it though

[snowtigger]

Just had a rolling road (the one were they bolt it to the hubs ) looks a bit down on power could be due to the duffed sensor but I got 299 bhp and about the same in torque na power lol.

[princemd]

for the weight of the body kit .. so far, the car's weight is less than it originally was by 34 KG, but there's still work to do .. so i guess as i finish it, i would probably have maintained the same weight of the car which is about 1100kg app.


as for the painting ... well im still confused between White with black outline... or red with black outline .. there's also the wonderful blue color like in this image .. but i still didnt make up my mind yet ...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/428.jpg

[snowtigger]

Only problem with the flatt matt blue is will it age being this years trendy paint scheme, next year every one maybe back to candy colours.
You need some thing that's eye watering Porsche yellow/gulf orange and baby pastel blue or tasty silver /Aston stormshadow grey.

[OlberJ]

Viper green with black. It's the tits.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/06/1.jpg

[snowtigger]

Mmm I must admit old 911 in that colour scheme olber does look the dogs dangles.

[cdwood2010]

What's wrong with JCB yellow?

Looked great on my Morris Marina!

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/06/2.jpg

[nik]

now theres are car!!!

[briweekes]

Excellente, choose your wheels carefully!

[KarlBristol]

Any updates with this? I'd be intrigued to see how it's developed :icon_biggrin:

[barnster]

Look great mate such a kit car fan these you dont see much keep up the good work :)

[Torero]

As someone who isn't particulary keen on replicas* I am totally converted, this is absolutely outstanding and yes I'd have one in a heartbeat.:eusa_clap:

Great work, keep the updates coming.




EDIT: *Apart from the TRD ones of course.:icon_biggrin:

[princemd]

i know it has been a long time since i posted an update on this project ... but i've been through hell to reach the point i want which is to make an "Exact" replica of the mighty porsche mirage GT..after a long way .. i had the exact width and hight of the car, the length was a bit of a problem .. so i didnt have much choice than to cut the car in two and lengthen it 23 bloody cm :S

[princemd]

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/352.jpg (http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/princemd/media/IMG_0212edited.jpg.html)

[princemd]

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/05/348.jpg (http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/princemd/media/IMG_0207s.jpg.html)

[princemd]

...so i have to strip the car again and go for lengthening it 23 CM to get an exact replica of the real thing ... :
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2014/06/198.jpg (http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/princemd/media/IMG-20140625-WA0010.jpg.html)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2014/06/199.jpg (http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/princemd/media/IMG_0152.jpg.html)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2014/06/200.jpg (http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/princemd/media/IMG-20140625-WA0016.jpg.html)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2014/06/201.jpg (http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/princemd/media/IMG-20140625-WA0015.jpg.html)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2014/06/202.jpg (http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/princemd/media/IMG-20140625-WA0012.jpg.html)

[cdwood2010]

Bloody hell.

That sounds like a real hoot.

:-0

[Torero]

Awesome project, I assume it's much easier to cut and extend a roadster due to access to the rear rails?

[princemd]

any ideas about who can provide me a full interior replica ?

[outrun]

Wow. That's some serious work!

It's looking great.

[senolsan]

So much room for 2GR-FE now :D