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Well, it arrived yesterday. Cheers to Paul and no doubt Anth who gave it a wash :)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/225.jpg
Paul kept the engine and box so i just had to start tidying up.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/226.jpg
Measured up the gearbox and i'm happy where it will go in. Off to buy some cutting discs to make a big hole in the boot floor and relieve some parts of the subframe.
It's going to be tight around the driveshaft area but i reckon i can make it work fairly easy.
All the front firewall gubbins will have to be relocated but that's nowt.
Really excited to get this done now!
Should look a lot better at the right height.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/227.jpg
Good luck with this Olber.
So what power plant you going for in this?
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http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/228.jpg :D
Paul Woods
21-04-2012, 16:58
I'll be following this one with great interest young Olber, he's going V8 Geoff :thumbsup:
Was it Mk3 gear cables you used Paul? Or custom jobbies?
Paul Woods
21-04-2012, 17:03
Mk3 mate, the best way is to make your box linkage work, mount the cables at the rear and then do all of your extending inside the cabin, i only had to add a few inches of inner rod to the Mk3 cables.
I might have a look and see if i can find some longer standard cables but if there's nowt else out suitable i'll sort this. Your gear change in the Mk1 did feel pretty damn mechanical mind you.
Paul Woods
21-04-2012, 17:07
It worked out really well, i love the gearchange best of all, it's just so direct, you KNOW you're in gear! I think it has much more to do with the Audi synchro hub design rather than my gear linkage design though.
Aye, just didn't fancy any flex at the selector end detracting from it.
Measuring up, the gearbox is gonna sit pretty far back towards the rear bumper. 99% sure it'll all fit in or it'll be out with the fibreglass.
Going to leave a frame around the gearbox and simply have a cover for it so that i can access the box and linkage and then have a usable boot when it's needed.
Paul Woods
21-04-2012, 17:29
Yeah that was my plan with the Mk1, but my exhaust options later on meant it had to go. A pair of boxes, one each side of the gearbox under the boot looks a good way to go.
Aye, 911 style boxes will work fine i reckon if they're a decent size.
Just hoping the fuel filler pipe doesn't cause issue where it is, that's the one thing i'd rather not have to relocate.
Paul Woods
21-04-2012, 18:02
I honestly don't think you will have to using that OB1 box, but who knows until you get it in there, i ran mine through the bulkhead and behind the seats, on a Mk2 you could make it go via the cubby box behind the passenger seat.
Aye, good shout.
On the Mk2, it looks as if the subframe sits a little further forward in relation to the wheel centre line than a Mk1 so it might need some fettling of the sub frame leading edge as it were. The driveshafts will end up pretty straight but obviously need some angle to work.
I'm gonna cut the boot floor and mount the gearbox as low and as far back as possible. Then get the prayer book out and hope the engine fits infront of it. :eusa_shifty:
MMaddict
21-04-2012, 18:16
Ah hopefully this is going to be anther nice project to follow :)
Paul Woods
21-04-2012, 18:17
Your deciding factor is how close you can put the driveshafts to the subframe, that decides where the engine goes.
Ah hopefully this is going to be anther nice project to follow :)
Nah, Audi AHC is what i'll be using i reckon. The RS4 lumps are awfy expensive.
The difference could buy me a nice SC :rozzer:
Tommytank
21-04-2012, 19:34
This thread MUST stay alive. Frequent updates needed!!
cdwood2010
21-04-2012, 20:22
Let's face it, if you're putting a V8 in you will never hear from this thread again.
Right Paul?
;)
To be fair, i've got about as much time as Paul has to do this but fuckit, it's always sunny and warm right on until late up here in Glasgow.
To be fair, i've got about as much time as Paul has to do this but fuckit, it's always sunny and warm right on until late up here in Glasgow.
Aye but hopefullt you won't start 17 other projects before this one is finished! Great project, it should be great when finished! Was oggling my mates audi V8 crx project, that's mental, he's cut out all the floor and suspension mounts and is using the audi subframe at the rear and spaceframining the rest!
errr, we need pics of that Goldy!
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?19911-Honda-CRX-V8-Swap-Not-Mine
"Did you see that? I think that's the point of no return dear."
Tonight we cut holes. Big holes. Ignore the rough edges for now, it will all be boxed in and looking factory fresh by the time i'm finished (see my other builds for the finish i like).
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/261.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/262.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/263.jpg
Now this hole is bigger than the finished article will be so i'll be able to have a useable boot. You don't get that on a 355 :icon_biggrin:
Ales....oop!
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/264.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/265.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/266.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/267.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/268.jpg
Now the eagle eyed among you will notice that the fuel filler pipe is going to cause a slight issue. I should be able to relocate that further down the firewall to avoid the left head bank.
Everything else looks like it will fit.
The subframe is going to require a notch taken out to let the gearbox sit a little lower. This will be strengthened up to make sure it still supports it all. That should allow the driveshafts to miss the subframe. It'll be tight but by jove i think it might just go!
plenty of room in there by the look, good luck with it
One for Paul, how much lower does the sump sit compared to the low point of the gearbox where it bolts on?
Just trying to work out heights and how much lower i need to go into that subframe.
Paul Woods
24-04-2012, 07:59
It's all about the same height, the sump is very flat and the whole drivetrain sits level, if anything the gearbox underbelly is slightly lower than the engine.
Looking good Olie, keep at it, looks to be at least 20" ahead of the gearbox so should fit.
Impressive! This looks like it could be pretty straightforward, will you need to do much reinforcement like paul's subframe? How much clearance will there be between the firewall and the engine, the gap doesn't look that big??
Once I move the fuel filler pipe down and get rid of the pipes from hell then the engine will sit in with a couple of cm's to spare.
Even the tank breathers might be ok but I won't know until i've got the lump in there. Just how much space I give it at the front will be down to how much up and down the driveshafts need. The front bolt of the subframe area is the main issue but it's not a game killer.
I'm wondering just how high the driveshaft will need to go in relation to the gearbox. Will it ever get up past horizontal on hard cornering?
Can I make the whole package sit lower in the engine bay to negate this?
We'll find out soon enough.
Wow looking great thats some wicked progress. keep going like this and it will be finshed before the other v8 swop
Paul Woods
24-04-2012, 19:39
LOL, you guys do know that i mechanically finished my V8 last year? I'm sure i posted a video of me doing doughnuts in it lol.
Snot finished without an mot :D
LOL, you guys do know that i mechanically finished my V8 last year? I'm sure i posted a video of me doing doughnuts in it lol.
Aye hollow head mechanically finished but not bodywork finished.
LOL, you guys do know that i mechanically finished my V8 last year? I'm sure i posted a video of me doing doughnuts in it lol.
fin·ished/ˈfiniSHt/
Adjective:
1.(of an action, activity, or piece of work) Having been completed.
Once I move the fuel filler pipe down and get rid of the pipes from hell then the engine will sit in with a couple of cm's to spare.
Even the tank breathers might be ok but I won't know until i've got the lump in there. Just how much space I give it at the front will be down to how much up and down the driveshafts need. The front bolt of the subframe area is the main issue but it's not a game killer.
I'm wondering just how high the driveshaft will need to go in relation to the gearbox. Will it ever get up past horizontal on hard cornering?
Can I make the whole package sit lower in the engine bay to negate this?
We'll find out soon enough.
You not finished this yet Ollie? What you dragging your high heels for? Cracking project mate, hope everything goes well. How are you doing?
fin·ished/ˈfiniSHt/
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1.(Lack of action, nil activity, or piece of work) Having NOT been completed.
2. Fooking about doing other things.
3. Making excuses not to finish projects.
4. Getting your nails manicured instead of working on your project.
5. Getting Alfie's town halls chopped off instead of working on your project.
6. Supporting a shite football team.
Tommytank
24-04-2012, 21:18
I feckin love this place!
You not finished this yet Ollie? What you dragging your high heels for? Cracking project mate, hope everything goes well. How are you doing?
I'm good mate cheers. How's Spenny without me?
Payday 2moro so i can go buy sum metal and possibly a new MIG welder.
Er defo not the same mate, we've nobody to talk about now.
Well apart from Maggie Philburn living in the town now.
Your goal scoring tally must have plummeted an all.
You still at the 5's?
No mate, got a new job. I work permanent Wed, Thurs and Fri 12 hour nights one week and Wed, Thurs, Fri and Sat nights the next. I only have time to watch homes under the hammer now.
I've given it up an all, cannae stick playing a Sunday night any more.
Bad night to play mate, eats up valuable drinking time!
Olie did you buy your engine yet?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/audi-a8-4-2-40v-v8-petrol-310-bhp-engine-/320897176464?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4ab6f65390#ht_500wt_922
Cheers Rossco. Message sent.
I'd settle for the 310 for now at that price with no delivery and just save for the SC once it's fitted.
Great project. Best of luck with, should be awsome when complete. Has it got any interior ?
Yes it's a standard interior with a silver dash and H gate.
I'll be going for a Steve Edge set up when it's all on the road. Lees is simply :icon_cool:
Cheers Rossco. Message sent.
I'd settle for the 310 for now at that price with no delivery and just save for the SC once it's fitted.
I think the 40v engine was used as a base for the twin tubby RS6 engine, so engine parts from that (e.g turbos / manifolds) would be bolt on IIRC..
Interesting.
I don't like turbos though, would have to be SC :)
snowtigger
02-05-2012, 00:26
twin charge its the future.
I'd love to twin charge the Mx5. But then again, 8 cylinders and a flappy paddle box.....!?
Tommytank
03-05-2012, 18:05
Twin charging?
http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=36031
Not me, but an insight into the utter vacuum of simplicity involved.
loadswine
03-05-2012, 19:19
I'm watching this with interest. Go for it Olie!
Off to see about that engine in a bit tonight. Fingers crossed it sounds healthy.
Turned up and the engine wasn't running, one of the actuator valves was jammed and the LPG install was a bit of a bodge. It had done the magic breakers 70k but the clocks were replaced at sum point and not working now.
If it doesn't sell i might offer him £100 for it but that's it.
Thought you would have had this finished by now Ollie.
Paul Woods
04-05-2012, 08:33
Welcome to my world Olie :)
Turned up and the engine wasn't running, one of the actuator valves was jammed and the LPG install was a bit of a bodge. It had done the magic breakers 70k but the clocks were replaced at sum point and not working now.
If it doesn't sell i might offer him £100 for it but that's it.
Aye, parts for these engines are a fortune as well!
There's an S8 on ebay for £2k that looks pretty good I bet you'd get most of that back for the parts ....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-Audi-A8-S8-quattro-/230785757682?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item35bbe731f2
Time, space, money. All at a premium till my house sells.
I'll hang off till the right one arrives on my lap.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-4-2-V8-4-2-AHC-S8-Engine-Uprated-ABZ-/130690583750?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e6dc40cc6#ht_1114wt_902
And another..
Having a wee think about this and possibly come up with an idea for a little more clearance where the driveshafts will run from box to hub centre.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/04/265.jpg
Looking at the top right of the engine bay you can see where it might interfere. What's the thoughts on cutting that away and drilling a new bolt hole further back and modding the subframe to match?
your asking for trouble I think..
your probably going to want to notch the rail at the base of the tower as well so the shaft doest bash the rail, when at full compression because those axle centers look quite high, might just be the angle though). might need to fab up a brace to go under the half shafts anyway and tie that to the cross member.(think like a drive shaft hoop with the bottom half being cross member).
dgh938peg
26-07-2012, 10:15
Unless the pic is deceptive, the gearbox looks to be sitting really high. I think i could see in another pic that you had notched out the subframe to fit this but i don't think it will be enough for you Ollie. Look at this pic below of JustinsWideBody V8 conversion.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/07/381.jpg
This gives you a bloody good view of what height the diff centre needs to be. My point being, is the diff location on the 01x box that Paul, Justin, MikeH and I are using is on a slender section of the gearbox so only needing a minor notch out of the subframe. As your box diff is on the bellhousing you have a whole new world of fabrication that is making the subframe work with your box.
Again, looking at Justin's pic above i think the rev2 subframe shown will be no good for you given the position of the rear control arms pivot so close to centre. Thankfully you're a H-plate (and therefore rev1) so your control arms will be much further apart and able to accomodate a larger box..... :)
HTH
That they are, Rev1 so further apart and more room to sink it in. Which i haven't done in the pictures yet so it will sit a bit lower.
With those spacers/adapters on the shafts that'd make the issue worse from a height angle point of view. If the shafts run all the way to the box, the angle will be shallower.
I think it will possibly just fit in on the standard subframe but it's just those front subframe bolts. moving them back would give a healthy bit of clearance. Novel idea with the ARB though, is that going to be fixed above the box like that?
I've got a couple of days holiday to take so gonna give myself a long weekend and make some progress on this. The fact it's sitting outside really doesn't help but no option to get it indoors just yet.
dgh938peg
27-07-2012, 08:44
I freely admit the spacers i am not keen on they will stick more load on the diff, where it'll lead i know not but we have mentioned it to Justin. I think the main purpose of the spacers was to get to the stock position for using turbo outer shafts. So what you see there would be no different 'dimensionally speaking' to an E153 setup with supported shaft.
That is the ARB installed position as you see it there.
Well; good luck with the car holiday progress Ollie, I wish i had some of your enthusiasm for mine right now!
feeling the whole long weekend car fixing thing.
though I get a 6 day weekend in 5 more days:)
Had a bit of time on Sunday so broke out the grinder to see if i can get this puppy to sit somewhere near in the subframe. The diff is causing issues to get it where i want it without chopping too much strength out of it.
I'm tempted to build my own subframe that uses the gearbox integrally.
It's that or go up and over with the strengthening on it.
Next weekend should get a full day on it and make some decisions.
making the gearbox a "stressed" member worked for the likes of cooper and lotus, is the casing made to take the stress, and cornering loads?
also means you will get more engine vibration if its bolted to the chassis that way.
Id reinforce the chassis if you can, doing a tube chassis is alot more work....
dgh938peg
05-09-2012, 23:12
I would probably consider getting hold of a spare for starters (one to practice on), chop the entire middle width out necessary to get the diff at the correct relative height to that of the stock MR2 mk2 then look to hack bits away of the subbie to suit.
Being a rev1 you are blessed with wider apart control arms so should be less of an issue.. I would consider maybe a 6mm plate beneath the box to tie the subbie together and then also a set of support up and onto the bulkhead............ ...... ..... which you've cut away to get the box in ..! Bugger
hmmm. ... will have to think on that one..
It's the diff on the drivers side of the box that's the issue. It's getting awfy close to the mounting points for the suspension arms when i try to centre the box to the bay allowing for the 490mm engine length.
I will have a bit more to play with if i decide to move the fillers and breathers for the tank (highly likely anyways to keep things cool).
dgh938peg
05-09-2012, 23:41
If it's in the correct location, it shouldn't be any closer to the lower arm mounting point than that of the E153 diff on the passenger side surely?
I'd maybe consider bolting Engine and Box together and jerry rigging some hangers to get it all aligned correctly Ollie.
I still have room to cut but trying to keep some strength to the subframe.
The rear half of the diff is right into the front edge of the subframe. Would be nice if it sat on top of it but it needs to go lower. Bare in mind i'm using the newer box with diff on the side rather than in the middle of the box.
I'll get a pic of what i've removed so far. Don't have an engine yet but with the measurements i'm 99% sure i can get the box right and then bolt the engine to it. What's the worst that could happen :icon_lol:
Paul Woods
06-09-2012, 07:01
Olie i still have that spare Audi V8 sat here if you're interested mate.
Hmmm, well if it's cheap enough...
Paul Woods
06-09-2012, 18:40
I'm not going to be doing a V8 in the near future, so £500 and it's yours, they don't get any cheaper than that.
Oh i should also point out this one has already been modified on the bellhousing for use with the OB1 gearbox, it's the same engine i test bolted it to and spent a day modifying the block for starter motor fitment etc.
Paul Woods
06-09-2012, 18:48
It's an ABZ, the 300bhp one.
Acht, i'll hold out for an AHC then. Need to get some dry space to work on the thing first really.
Paul Woods
06-09-2012, 18:51
No Probs, i thought it was worth mentioning.
Project up for sale due to buying this :
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/09/343.jpg
It's too thirsty and i need the drivespace.
Rolling shell with wheels etc is up for grabs, £2.5k Let me know if you're interested.
cdwood2010
25-09-2012, 23:14
Oooh is that an S4?
I sold my S2 a while back, still missing it.....
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/09/344.jpg
Blimey that's quite a rare 355 rep - looks to be an MR355 (www.mr355.com) - they molded the sill into the door to keep the right height proportion from side view and the rear view is one of the best, very wide at the rear. Based on the original Rock kit I think...
Oooh is that an S4?
I sold my S2 a while back, still missing it.....
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm247/shitboxracing/Porsche 928/DSCF0372.jpg
Nice! Yeah it's an S4. Minty as owt. Just needs a new exhuast and a panel filter and it'll be perfect.
cdwood2010
25-09-2012, 23:25
Nice. If its an auto make sure that thrust plate is checked.
Need a WSM? I compiled my own!
C.
I had it fully inspected by the Porsche Indy up here. He was impressed to say the least.
WSM?
cdwood2010
25-09-2012, 23:35
They are impressive cars.
WSM = Work shop manual. Quite a good one too.
Pm me and I will get you a copy in the post if you likes.
:)
C.
snowtigger
26-09-2012, 01:54
Ooh get you going posh with Germany finest, I do like those proper gt Porsches not the silly rear end 911 , I wouldn't say no to a convertible 80s turbo in guards red though.
The Porsche dealer near us said 80s colours are making a come back.
cdwood2010
26-09-2012, 06:52
Yeah, the 928 went down like a turd in a swimming pool with the 911 flat 6 crowd, but it is an awesome car.
The S2 is 4.7L 300bhp V8
The S4 is a 5.3L 350bhp V8 32v as I recall.
All alloy engine, gearbox in the boot, with an adaptive rear suspension. Years ahead of its time. And seriously cool motoring.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/09/345.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/09/346.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/09/347.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/09/348.jpg
Sorry about the slight hijack!
:-0
Ha, no worries.
GTS is the 5.4L 350bhp. The S4 is a lowly 316bhp 5.0L.
Still drinks like an alcoholic fish mind you!
cdwood2010
26-09-2012, 18:59
And still very nice.
More pics please!!!!
:)
Paul Woods
26-09-2012, 19:45
So the Ferrari project is abandoned?
Lightweight.
Yerp. Up to someone else to do it now. Want it back? :icon_mrgreen:
Paul Woods
26-09-2012, 19:49
I need another V8 Mr2 project like a hole in the head, got to finish the Mk1!
Nice porker though.
Nice one ollie, you might need sunglasses for the interior tho and god help you when it goes wrong if you thought toyota were expensive for parts, porche don't even provide a tub of lube on the counter before they shaft you!
Happy motoring it looks real nice , I've always had a soft spot for those!
The interior is very dark blue leather. I'll bung sum proper pics up at the weekend.
cdwood2010
07-11-2012, 00:21
More Porsche yumminess.
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=26622&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=html&utm_campaign=2012-11-6
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