Woodsport 3vz-fe and 1mz-fe engine mount now available.

[Paul Woods]

I thought it was time to start my own thread about this, we are just waiting for some machined parts to come back and final construction can begin, looking at approx 2-3 weeks at present but i will keep this thread updated with timescales as we go.

This mount is a brand new design never seen before, and will work with both 3vz and 1mz V6 engines straight into a Mk2 Mr2. It fits both with no other modifications.

For Mk1 and Mk3 V6's you can still use this mount but you will still need to modify your chassis hangers in the normal way.

Full pricing and pictures to follow very shortly, please let me know below if you are provisionally interested in one, once the components are in it will take two working days to fabricate all orders and will be sent out next day delivery. I am having enough parts made for 50 mounts.

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[mrT]

added me to the list Paul, I will have one for the 3vz please..Ta very much
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[Phil5019]

Can you put me down on the list for a 3vz Mount Please. Thanks m8

[hmong337]

how much for the initial public offering?

[Paul Woods]

I can't answer that until all parts are back from the machine shop, i've been told 2-3 weeks, all of the groundwork is done, my Jig is made (based on an actual Mk2 V6) and rough costs are known but until i get everything back i won't be able to give a final price.

Let's just say it should be much less than previous versions due to the simplicity of construction i have gone for, so budget £50 and it will be around that price but let's wait until all final costs are known.

Full details will appear here first and this is getting full priority.

[anthonytsang]

added me to the list Paul, I will have one for the 3vz please..Ta very much
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[Paul Woods]

No probs mate, i see people are specifying which V6 it's for, just to clarify this mount works on both 3vz and 1mz.

[emteka]

Is it possible to send V6 mount to Poland, EU?

[Paul Woods]

Yes no problem.

[emteka]

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[ColleyV8]

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[5HTP]

5HTP is also very interested in procuring said engine mount. Rough estimate on shipping to the US?

[Paul Woods]

Rough shipping quotes are coming back at between £30-£40 to the US

[5HTP]

Ouch. Well guess I'm still interested in purchasing one.

[Paul Woods]

Yep sorry about this shithole of a country we live in, rip off Britain! I've stuck your name on the list, you can decide later if you still want one, cheers Paul.

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[cdwood2010]

Rough shipping quotes are coming back at between £30-£40 to the US

Paul,

I send things to the US & Canada quite a lot and I use parcel2go which generally has some cheaper options.

I figured you had used something similar but thought I would mention it.

Chris.

[hmong337]

Paul,

I send things to the US & Canada quite a lot and I use parcel2go which generally has some cheaper options.

I figured you had used something similar but thought I would mention it.

Chris.

That's what I was thinking. It's not like it's a HUGE item or as if it weighs a ton. But still waiting on final pricing with shipping costs. Shipping should NOT be that much as cdwood2010 intended to say.

[hmong337]

Paul,

I send things to the US & Canada quite a lot and I use parcel2go which generally has some cheaper options.

I figured you had used something similar but thought I would mention it.

Chris.

That's what I was thinking. It's not like it's a HUGE item or as if it weighs a ton. But still waiting on final pricing with shipping costs. Shipping should NOT be that much as cdwood2010 intended to say.

[Paul Woods]

That WAS with P2GO! I entered 2kg and a 20x20x20 box, there was a special £24 book now delivery but most of them were over £30.

[cdwood2010]

That WAS with P2GO! I entered 2kg and a 20x20x20 box, there was a special £24 book now delivery but most of them were over £30.

Wow.

Another daft suggestion - don't suppose you've walked in a Post Office and slapped it on he counter.

The engine mount I mean!

I've had to shop around in the past fir some destinations.

Tell me to shut up at any point!

:)

Chris.

[Paul Woods]

Another daft suggestion - don't suppose you've walked in a Post Office and slapped it on he counter.

They said "our scales aren't big enough" :)

If anyone wants to sort their own courier for collection please feel free.

[stevehall]

Courier wise, the post office can send up to a 30cm x 30cm x 30cm box weighing up to 2kg overseas. Otherwise I always use interparcel.com,
parcel2go have the worst service I've ever heard of, or experianced.

[aussiemr2]

I have used www.transglobal.co.uk on many occasions and their DHL and Fedex quotes where way cheaper than going direct
Just checked and 2kg 20x20x20 came in at £28

[Resolve]

Hi Paul,

Is there any diffrence in the engine position between using a S54 or a E153 transmission?
If i do remember correctly i read a swap thread last day where someone had to modify (4V6?) engine mount becouse he did use a S54 transmission instead of the E153.

I'd like to get one shipped to Holland for my 3MZ-FE swap.

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[snowtigger]

I've seen this mount and you shouldn't have to modify bugger all to fit the different transmission, with this mount as Paul has stated it fits all v6 1mz/3vz this mount is a totally work of genius.

[Paul Woods]

This mount will work with both gearbox types, and should also work with your 3mz-fe although i've never had one of those to play with i can't see why it wouldn't work.

[snowtigger]

I've just reread that I thought it was a typo 3mz-fe? I've seen a 3fse on the sw20 well you learn some thing new every day.

[Resolve]

Ok great to hear that it will work's on both the gearbox types.

As far as i know toyota used nearly if not exactly the same castings for the 3MZ-FE as for the 1MZ-FE so this mount will work on all 3 engines then :thumbsup:

[mrT]

excellent progress the, but the question is when do we get to see the finished product, and better still when can we get one.lol

[snowtigger]

I've seen the prototype which was cool.

the wait will be worth it When it arrives he's just probably mega busy, like most new ventures once it's off the ground and all materials are in and finalized, it will be a day of grinding cutting welding, let's put it this way I wouldn't mind one just as a paper weight I think the design is that good.

[Paul Woods]

To be honest i am ready to rock and roll, but i have no component parts.... they are all at the machine shop being cut, so until i get those back i can't do anything. My welder and Jig are on standby for as soon as the parts come in.

The day the parts land i will have a photographable mount made and full production can begin, i've been told it should not be very long before the component parts are ready but please be patient with me as i cannot make it happen any quicker without these parts.

My prototype is returning to me tomorrow, so i can stick some paint on that and take a pic for you all.

[Mr2Bully]

Hi Paul,

Can you stick me down for one please.

[Paul Woods]

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[mrT]

Excellent, no panic to be honest, just getting itchy fingers that's all..lol got my camry waiting to be stripped, then will be taking e.fine apart to replace all the usually stuff so it will be a while yet before it goes in the 2, and all this is still waiting on shifting the remains of my old gt4 1st so I can have my drive back to work on the camry and the 2 lol. In the meantime I am just gathering the necessary bits that I will be needing

[hmong337]

will be waiting for final pics, price, and shipping. this sounds promising!

[Paul Woods]

I have today been informed that all component parts have now been cut bar the exception of some tubes, so i should have everything by next Tuesday or Wednesday to begin construction.

With the release of the mount imminent it's time to show you the prototype, please bear in mind this is exactly that, a prototype, it has none of the finish or care taken over its construction and none of the corners radiused etc, there is also a support rib missing from this proto.

This mount features a new bush for the chassis and completely replaces the standard Mk2 mounting block, this design bolts straight to your existing V6 platform, it is a very simple but effective solution, it lets the stock engine mount retain the cam cover lugs which was something that bugged me about previous versions.

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2011/05/364.jpg

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2011/05/365.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2011/05/209.jpg

Like i said this is a very rough proto, with missing parts but you can see how it is going to fasten to both engine and chassis.

[mrT]

Awesome, deffo looks like something Toyota would have made . Can't want to get hold of one,.lol well to be honest I haven't even taken engine out of camry yet so no panic lop

[Whore of Babylon]

1000 times better than the other ones offerd.

Good job

[OlberJ]

That i like. A lot.

Was just looking at the Elise swap thinking, that's gonna need a big ol' mount added on there. This is miles better though.

And with new rubber insert? Bob on.

[Paul Woods]

Yep, new rubber insert, very strong construction and very simple to fit, to be honest this solution is so simple it should have been done like this from day 1.

The investment into this mounts design and parts has cost an arm and a leg, but it will offer a permanent solution and will always be available.

The final cost is going to be £60 plus shipping which will be £5 within the UK, international shipping will need to be priced separately.

[aussiemr2]

Hi Paul, even though I have one of the "Other" mounts unfitted yet put me down for one of yours, liking the look of it already

[Paul Woods]

High praise indeed, thankyou.


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[mrT]

Yep, new rubber insert, very strong construction and very simple to fit, to be honest this solution is so simple it should have been done like this from day 1.

The investment into this mounts design and parts has cost an arm and a leg, but it will offer a permanent solution and will always be available.

The final cost is going to be £60 plus shipping which will be £5 within the UK, international shipping will need to be priced separately.

can not grumble at that price mate,
a oem mount for a 3sge would probably cost more than that

[snowtigger]

The last time I bought a turbo mount for that side to put a new rubber in second hand was £30, and the new rubber was about the same price, so with all the hard work all ready done this is a steal at that price.

[Steve-x-edge]

I don't see any difference from this mount and the old mount.... :rofl:
















On a serious note though looks great Paul, very OEM indeed. Looked better then the horizontal oil rig that was chucked out before.

When funds are a bit better for me I'll deffo have one of these to swap for the old one. :thumbsup:

Steve

[hmong337]

I'm in!!! The mount looks WAY BETTER than previous versions.

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[Paul Woods]

LOL @ "Horizontal oil rig" Ha ha!!! That's class!

Thankyou Hmong.

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[nik]

that is a simple solution mate, love it..! :icon_biggrin:

may buy a v6 lump just to bolt one of your mounts to it..:rofl:

[dgh938peg]

Well Paul... what can i say?

Excellent mate .... fappin excellent!

All it needed was somebody to take a step back, look at it and say Eureka!

Many congratulations big fella and had i not have thrown away my existing cammie brackets (not to mention altering by 4mm to make perfect fit of my "existing" mount) i would be ordering one!

Well done fella - these things are gonna fly off the shelves!

One suggestion, get onto MR2OC.com and organise a group buy to ship 10-20 over to someone to organise local shipping in the U.S. :thumbsup:

Now i get the comment on the elise page!

[Paul Woods]

Cheers Dan, i've only stepped up to the mark to produce a mount because of what has gone on, should have done this years ago! Very simple design, no doubt it will get copied in a heartbeat, but hey that's life! I won't bitch about it at all.

[hmong337]

awaiting final product pic...

[5HTP]

Looks great! Can't wait to pop it in and remove this support jack from underneath the oilpan...

[Paul Woods]

I've been told all parts are now ready and being sent to Woodsport as we speak.

[Paul Woods]

The mount parts have now arrived, they are absolutely amazing quality, laser cut and a hundred times better than my shonky prototype bits. Here is the first mount completed, i have bolted it to a spare V6 bracket and painted that silver so you can get a bit of contrast, newbies to this thread please note the part i am selling is the black bit, NOT the silver part.

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2011/05/395.jpg

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2011/05/396.jpg

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2011/05/397.jpg

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2011/05/398.jpg

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2011/05/399.jpg

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2011/05/400.jpg

The mount is also supplied with this spacer tube that sits in your chassis mount like this....

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2011/05/401.jpg

What you can't see in the pic is the internal "backbone" that runs between the angle section and tube, this gives the mount a ton of strength.

Before the first full production run begins i am waiting on a delivery of those nice cap head bolts you can see in the pics, i want this to be a complete mount with EVERYTHING that you need to bolt it straight up and i think those cap head bolts are the finishing touch.

Sincere thanks to our good friend Adam for all of his help getting my prototype CAD'd up and ordering the parts, he's an absolute legend. :thumbsup:

There will be a 3 working day lead time in total between me getting the mount bolts and making all ten mounts in the first run. So expect a final finished and ready to ship product by the end of next week, after that the mounts will be available with a 1 day lead time.

UK shipped price is £65 all in , my paypal is Paul@Woodsport.org or drop me an email at the same address to order, i can also take card payments at the garage, ring 0191 3770962 / 07951304712 thankyou.

For orders abroad please ask about shipping prices and i will do my best to get the cheapest quote.

[mrT]

When would u like payment to be made,

[Paul Woods]

Anytime you like really but they won't be totally ready for about 1 week

[mrT]

Anytime you like really but they won't be totally ready for about 1 week

right o, just sold some wheels on ebay, should be getting payment tomorrow, once he has paid, you wil receive payment straight after..lol
I love it when a plan comes together...lol

[cdwood2010]

Paul,

Been following this with interest!

Can you put me down for one of these please, no rush as it's for build #3 (Codename "Sprinting Before Walking")

Figured i would spread the parts collection out as much as possible!

:)

Chris

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Thanks Chris :thumbsup:

[Paul Woods]

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2. p5ycho-----------PAID, thankyou.
3. Phil5019
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5. emteka
6. Mr2bully
7. 5HTP
8. Resolve---------- PAID, thankyou.
9. Aussiemr2--------PAID, thankyou.
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[Paul Woods]

All parts are now here so as of tomorrow i am in full scale production mode, so the three pre-paid buyers will get theirs first.

To everyone else on the list, feel free to make payment at your convenience.

UK shipped price is £65 all in , my paypal is Paul@Woodsport.org (Paul@Woodsport.org) or drop me an email at the same address to order, i can also take card payments at the garage, ring 0191 3770962 / 07951304712 thankyou.

For orders abroad please ask about shipping prices and i will do my best to get the cheapest quote.

[aussiemr2]

Thanks Paul

Glad to see these, the anal side of me also didnt like the fact the other mount had no location for the timing cover bolts, and also the fact it was slightly out of alignment on the front torque mount

Cannot wait to get it

[nik]

looking absolutely spot on there Paul..will help swappers out no end an looks like a factory mount t'boot..:thumbsup:

[Paul Woods]

Cheers Nik.


1. Tonydinh
2. p5ycho-----------PAID, thankyou.
3. Phil5019----------PAID, thankyou.
4. Anthonytsang
5. emteka
6. Mr2bully
7. 5HTP
8. Resolve---------- PAID, thankyou.
9. Aussiemr2--------PAID, thankyou.
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[Paul Woods]

I have PM'd 6 of you on the list with a payment reminder for your mount but as yet had no reply, if you no longer wish to buy one could you let me know please, thankyou.

I got two mounts completed on Friday, the remaining two paid for mounts will be completed on Monday and all mounts painted/dry by Tuesday.

[cdwood2010]

Paul,

Didn't get a PM (so feeling left out!)

But just paid via PP, address included. Sent it as "gift" so you dont get taxed!

:)

Chris.

[Paul Woods]

Thankyou Chris, i didn't PM you because i knew you definately would take one, but i'm getting no reply from everyone else on the list who reserved one.


1. Tonydinh
2. p5ycho-----------PAID, thankyou.
3. Phil5019----------PAID, thankyou.
4. Anthonytsang
5. emteka
6. Mr2bully
7. 5HTP
8. Resolve---------- PAID, thankyou.
9. Aussiemr2--------PAID, thankyou.
10. hmong337
11. Cdwood2010----PAID, thankyou.
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[cdwood2010]

Lot of folk on holiday, and a lot of people only check emails every 3 days!

Chris.

[snowtigger]

school hols down this end a lot of kids on holiday yipppe the sprogs are away, dont get me wrong i love the little ankle biters.

so i dont think you will get many emails or pms till next week mate at the earliest.

[Paul Woods]

1. Tonydinh---------Car written off, mount no longer needed.
2. p5ycho-----------PAID, thankyou. Mount made and ready to send.
3. Phil5019----------PAID, thankyou. Mount made and ready to send.
4. Anthonytsang
5. emteka
6. Mr2bully
7. 5HTP
8. Resolve---------- PAID, thankyou. Mount made and ready to send.
9. Aussiemr2--------PAID, thankyou. Mount made and ready to send.
10. hmong337
11. Cdwood2010----PAID, thankyou. Mount made and ready to send.
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Updated above, 5 of you still have not replied to my PM's, if you no longer require a mount just let me know, ta.

I am sending out 5 mounts to the paid for ones above tomorrow.

[mrT]

Excellent, will look out for it over next fee days. Few more bits to collect and project can begin

Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

[cdwood2010]

Spiffing stuff Paul!

BBQ Edition should be out the garage soon then the hunt will begin for project car number 3.

:)

Sent from my spacky iPhone using big sausage fingers

[mrT]

BBQ Edition should be out the garage soon then the hunt will begin for project car number 3.



you boyos on a mission to convert every mk2 out there or something..lol

[Resolve]

Great to see all the parts comming together!

I'le post some pics when it's in and test fitted on the 3MZ.

[cdwood2010]

you boyos on a mission to convert every mk2 out there or something..lol

Boyos? We are deffo not Welsh!

And yes, having fun all the way.

Current build spend for BBQ Edition = £583 (including the car!)

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?18638-Running-Before-Walking-Build-2&p=239079#post239079

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Chris

[Torero]

Boyos? We are deffo not Welsh!

You may not think it Chris but Pat has definitely picked up the accent :yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao:

[cdwood2010]

You may not think it Chris but Pat has definitely picked up the accent :yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao:

He's adopted.

mum found him under a pool table with a bag of monkey nuts.

:icon_confused:

[Paul Woods]

I'le post some pics when it's in and test fitted on the 3MZ

Please remember we have never test fitted this to a 3mz, only the 3vz which it fits perfectly, now it *should* fit, but if for any reason there is a fitment issue on your 3mz engine i will give you a full refund or modify you a new mount specifically for your 3mz-fe engine.

[Paul Woods]

1. Tonydinh---------Car written off, mount no longer needed.
2. p5ycho-----------PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
3. Phil5019----------PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
4. Anthonytsang-----No reply to PM's
5. emteka-----------No reply to PM's
6. Mr2bully----------No reply to PM's
7. 5HTP-------------Shipping quote sent
8. Resolve---------- PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
9. Aussiemr2--------PAID, thankyou. Mount being sent shortly, possible other parts to send at the same time.
10. hmong337-------No reply to PM's
11. Cdwood2010----PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
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List updated folks, 4 of you have a mount now on its way, i have included a brief fitting guide in this post but it should be self explanatory. I am a little disappointed that 5 people put their names down and have since not replied to any of my PM's.

Here is the mount installed on a 3vz... as you can see the spacer tube sits on the left hand side of the mount, i have also supplied you with two new cap head bolts and new washers. I recommend fitting the mount to the chassis first then as your engine comes up into the bay locate the two bolts on this mount first hand tight, then fully tighten with a ratchet/extension bar, then align the gearbox mount and do that up second, it's easier this way.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/Woodsport%205/DSCN1380.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/Woodsport%205/DSCN1381.jpg

Viewed from underneath....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2011/06/78.jpg

The front torque mount has perfect alignment to the chassis.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/Woodsport%205/DSCN1384.jpg

The engines alignment on every axis is perfect, here is the level against the boot edge as reference...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/Woodsport%205/DSCN1382.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/Woodsport%205/DSCN1383.jpg


I'd like to thank the 5 of you who paid ahead of time for an easy transaction, and if you could give me some feedback on what you think of the mount when you get it that would be great, thankyou.

[mrT]

Received my mount this morning, excellent build quality. Can't wait to get the engine transplant going now
, thanx very much for the mount Paul. It actually weighs less than I thought it would, and is a piece of art indeed

[Paul Woods]

Good stuff, they weigh exactly 1kg for reference.

[Paul Woods]

1. Tonydinh---------Car written off, mount no longer needed.
2. p5ycho-----------PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
3. Phil5019----------PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
4. Anthonytsang-----No reply to 3 PM's sent
5. emteka-----------No reply to 3 PM's sent
6. Mr2bully----------No reply to 3 PM's sent here and 1 on the OC
7. 5HTP-------------Shipping quote sent
8. Resolve---------- PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
9. Aussiemr2--------PAID, thankyou. Mount being sent shortly, possible other parts to send at the same time.
10. hmong337-------No reply to 3 PM's sent
11. Cdwood2010----PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
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Still not even a reply of "No thank you" from the others on the list who i have PM'd 3 times now with no acknowledgment at all.

As of 12/6/11 the mount is now £75 delivered within the UK. The price of £65 delivered was based on 10 takers in this group buy.

I can understand people changing their minds or project plans, but basic manners cost nothing.

[cdwood2010]

Mr Woods,

I can understand that this must be frustrating.

For long enough I was PM'ing Pat with threads and wondering why he never replied or mentioned them, until I noticed his mailbox was full.

Seems he didn't get PM's emailed to him automatically - something that I think he has now sorted.

It might be worth emailing these guys direct if possible, assuming that they're just not logging on to their TB mailbox.

Just me thinking out loud. Again!

Chris.

Sent from the loo catching up on emails n'shit!

[Paul Woods]

Sent from the loo catching up on emails n'shit!

Waaaay too much information! :)

I appreciate that Chris, could be their notifications i suppose, it's just very frustrating after all of the effort i've gone to organizing this.

[cdwood2010]

I can imagine, but I find it hard to believe that all these people are being rude at once, otherwise they would be on a BMW forum not an MR2 one....

Chris.


Sent from a pretty place full of flowers and bunnies and sweets and ginger beer

[Paul Woods]

I can imagine, but I find it hard to believe that all these people are being rude at once, otherwise they would be on a BMW forum not an MR2 one....

So do i, and i hope i'm wrong about that, did you get yours ok yet?

[cdwood2010]

I'm guessing it will be on my desk Monday as I'm not in the office on a weekend.

Will let you know tommorrow!

Chris.


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[mrT]

just checked my pm inbox for storage capacity, it seems you can store 500 messages as Big member but I think it maybe 20 or so as regular member, so what Chris mentioned above may actually be the reason, either that or everyone has just abandoned their plans,
Got my mount fine and I'm well happy bout it,
gotta pay mrT a visit on monday and get some bits ordered up, then its all go from there on...lol

[cdwood2010]

Got my mount fine and I'm well happy bout it, gotta pay mrT a visit on monday and get some bits ordered up, then its all go from there on...lol

Thats lovely, now lets see a build thread!!!

:icon_mrgreen:

Chris

[mrT]

Haha, you will have to wait a while yet mate. Celica is still taking up the drive. Almost dismantled now if the bloody rain ever stops , in meantime I'm collecting all the parts I will be fitting/replacing on the 3vzfe before fitting.
Once celica is gone. Then gonna rip camry apart. Then the build thread will commence ...patience required till then lol

[cdwood2010]

Get a build thread going anyway to document your odyssey!

And where are you in the world? We could have a Camry party!

:eusa_dance:

Chris.

[mrT]

Get a build thread going anyway to document your odyssey!

And where are you in the world? We could have a Camry party!

:eusa_dance:

Chris.

I'm in Swindon , in Wiltshire..
will start up a thread soon..

[cdwood2010]

Practically next door.

Pick a weekend!

:icon_biggrin:

Chris (& Pat i'm sure!)

[mrT]

Practically next door.

Pick a weekend!

:icon_biggrin:

Chris (& Pat i'm sure!)

sweeeeeeeeet,
let me get the celica gone, I'll be in touch, , food and drinks will be on me ..lol

[cdwood2010]

Sounds grand!

The three hardest and probably most dangerous parts (if doing this on your own) are:-

1) Getting the mahoosive V6 & that bastard auto gearbox out and on the deck
2) Getting the MR2 up in the air to get your N/A engine out
3) Getting the MR2 up in the air and getting the V6 in again

The rest just takes time - imho....

I know people carry out a swap on their own quite succesfully, but its a bloody sight easier with someone helping!

Chris.

[mrT]

guess I be buggerd then, considering I'm a short arsed 5ft weaking who weighs bugger all...lol

consdering i am doin this alone
my plan was finish stripping gt4 and scrap that over next week or so..
then go hire a engine crane for a week.
the
day1 strip engine and necessary stuff out the camry and scrap the car
day2, strip down 3v and replace necessary bits and reassemble, making it ready to go in the 2
day3, drop engine from mr2 and split gearbox. then attach gearbox to 3v
day4, wrestle 3v and gearbox into mr2,and attach what I can
then spend the rest of week attaching other bits and peices..

considering you boys are swap veterans now, and IF you dont mind helping out, perhaps we may even drop engines out the camry and mr2 in the same day, that would then mean I would have to strip and rebuild camry engine, bolt on gearbox and wrestle into the mr2.. should take a bit less time to do, and you could of course give me pointers on any obvious pitfalls,...

[cdwood2010]

i will PM you - i think i may have hijacked Pauls's thread! (sorry!)

Chris.

[mrT]

i will PM you - i think i may have hijacked Pauls's thread! (sorry!)

Chris.

haha, yes, Sorry Paul, we got carried away, feel free to clean up the thread..

[cdwood2010]

Paul!

Mount received!

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2011/06/102.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2011/06/103.jpg

All I need now is the next project!

Chris.



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[adamh]

have to say that mount looks good

[Paul Woods]

Cheers Adam, only possible with your help mate.

[Resolve]

When i got home afhter work there where two packages for me today :D One was the mount and the other where 4 new grooved brake disks.

The mount looks realy good! Nicely finished and even sturdy enough for the most brutal engines. It's realy worth the money!

But now for the fitment on my 3MZ-FE:
There's one modification i had to do to make it fit on my 3MZ.
The 3MZ's mount has a locating pin sticking out where the mount comes. So i did have to drill a small hole in the engine mount to clear the pin.
So with some very minor modification this mount will also fit on the 3MZ-FE.

Just pull the pin out of the engine and it's a direct fit!!



Here are some pics of the mount sitting on the engine:
(i did mess up the paint a bit wile clamping it int he vise, it come's beautifully painted!!)

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2011/06/240.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2011/06/241.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2011/06/242.jpg

I'le post some more info when i've got the engine in the car. But as far as i can tell at this moment that won't be a problem.

[snowtigger]

Or grind the pin out as it's only a located pin, looks like it was meant to be there though after you had drilled your hole.
Another plus for the Woodsport mount I'm uber jealous I may just buy one to stare at as it's a wonderfull and quite brilliant bit of simple engineering to fix a quite complicated task.

[Paul Woods]

Ah i should have mentioned the pin needs removing! My prototype mount was made on a pinless platform because i thought it might interfere with the rib running through the mount, so it was much easier to just pull the pin out, it's not needed for locating anything, but you can also drill the hole if you prefer to keep the pin.

The only thing i am unsure of on your 3mz is it's distance from the chassis, i have no idea if that is going to be the same as a 3vz because we have never had one here, but if it doesn't fit for any reason i will make you a custom one based on measurements you give me if there is any sort of problem, thankyou for the good feedback so far though!

[Resolve]

I didn't even try to pull the pin out :eusa_doh:

So i didn't even need to drill a hole. But hey atleast it does fit on the engine :thumbsup:
Do hope i can confirm the fitment in the car in about two months!

Thanks for the offer paul! Great service!!

[Paul Woods]

No worries, just covering all bases should the 3mz be different in some way.

Update to the mount list...

1. Tonydinh---------Car written off, mount no longer needed.
2. p5ycho-----------PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
3. Phil5019----------PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
4. Anthonytsang-----PAID, thankyou, mount SENT
5. emteka-----------No reply to 3 PM's sent
6. Mr2bully----------Project shelved, mount no longer required
7. 5HTP-------------PAID, thankyou, mount being sent Monday
8. Resolve---------- PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
9. Aussiemr2--------PAID, thankyou. Mount being sent shortly, possible other parts to send at the same time.
10. hmong337-------No reply to 3 PM's sent
11. Cdwood2010----PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

[link286xt]

Would I need this plus a 4v6 mount if I were to do a USDM 3vz-fe/E153 upgrade into my Mk1?

Thanks from across the "pond"!

[Paul Woods]

No, that "product" is no longer available, my mount does away with the need to touch the standard engine platform at all and places the chassis bolt in exactly the same place it would normally be on a Mk2 Mr2.... so in answer to your question, my mount is all you need (plus the usual alterations to the Mk1 chassis) to fit the 3vz-fe into a Mk1.

Just bolt the mount onto the V6 platform and make your chassis plates, nothing else needed.

[cdwood2010]

Would I need this plus a 4v6 mount if I were to do a USDM 3vz-fe/E153 upgrade into my Mk1?

Thanks from across the "pond"!

What's a 'USDM'?

Chris.


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[Paul Woods]

USDM- US Domestic Market
JDM- Japanese Domestic Market

:thumbsup:

[cdwood2010]

Oic!

Never heard that phrase...

Heard JDM of course.....

Chris.



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[Paul Woods]

Time to bring this thread up to date.

1. Tonydinh---------Car written off, mount no longer needed.
2. p5ycho-----------PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
3. Phil5019----------PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
4. Anthonytsang-----PAID, thankyou, Mount SENT
5. emteka-----------No reply to 3 PM's sent
6. Mr2bully----------Project shelved, mount no longer required
7. 5HTP-------------PAID, thankyou, Mount SENT
8. Resolve---------- PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
9. Aussiemr2--------PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT
10. hmong337-------No reply to 3 PM's sent
11. Cdwood2010----PAID, thankyou. Mount SENT

7 mounts sold so far, i have 43 left in current stock, which can be bought here or on my website shop....

http://www.woodsport.org/joomla/index.php/woodsport-shop

Price is £70 plus postage.

[AusV6]

Fitted this mount to my 1MZ today.:eusa_clap: Had to do some minor filing to the block and the forward bolt was out by about 2mm. But this took <1 minute to fix with a file.

[Paul Woods]

Are you saying the engine is now in the car with the mount? Or have you just fitted the mount onto the engine? We have yet to verify if it works with a 1mz in a Mk2 yet, your feedback would be most appreciated.

[AusV6]

Sure, I've fitted the mount to the engine. I'll take some photos today to show you the minor modifications I needed to do. From the basic measurements I've taken I'm confident it will fit in the car.

[Paul Woods]

So the engine isn't in the car yet, ok i'll wait until you can confirm that the mount works in the car.

[AusV6]

Ok the engine's in the car using the mount. It took some modification but it can be used.

The distance between the two bolts going into the block is different. I enlarged the forward bolt hole 3 - 4mm to compensate.
The mount falls short by about 4 - 5mm to the chassis mounting bolt. In order to get around this I had to extend both of the bolt holes as far inboard as I could giving the bolt heads <1mm of clearance to the mount body. Then with as much slack in the other mounts as I could gather, some brute force and some coordination I managed to hook the rearmost bolt into its thread. In order to apply the necessary torque I cut the top of the mount to give me access with a solid hex socket and a breaker bar and used that bolt to pull the engine into alignment. I'm pretty sure the LHS mount is now more or less solid now from the tension.

We tried for several hours trying everything we could conceive of before I started to modify the mount.

[Paul Woods]

From my point of view that is an unacceptable solution mate, we had a feeling the 1mz was going to be slightly different with this 3vz mount, so that information is brilliant.

What i would like to do is make you a new mount, one that fits perfectly without having to stress the others. It is easy for me to move the bush 5mm outboard and then you have a mount that works perfectly, i will do this free of charge.

So just to be clear, the new 1mz version needs the bush to be 5mm nearer the chassis? Was that with the other 3 mounts in their natural position? I have a 1mz engine here that i can make the mount fit in that area, cheers Paul.

[AusV6]

You're a top bloke Paul. I needed another ~5mm with all of the mounts slackened. Tommorow I'll take some measurements with them tightened.

[Paul Woods]

Thanks, i'll wait until i get those measurements, we really need the distance with the other mounts tight.

[Smurfster]

Hi Paul. What would the p&p to Ireland be for one of these beauty's?

Cheers Tristan

[Paul Woods]

Hi Tristan, about £15 i think, so £90 total.

[Resolve]

Hi Paul,

I managed to get the 3MZ-FE in today and got all 3 tranny mounts tightened.
The engine mount doesn't fit now, it needs to go 7mm to the backside of the car and 7mm towards the engine mount. the height of the mount is perfect.
We tried to make it fit with this mount by loosening the other mounts but there was allmost no movement in the engine.


Here are some pics and info:

3MZ-FE
S54 transmission
1996 SW20 N/A
Front and rear mounts used with new Powerflex PU bushings
All tranny mounts tightened:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2011/12/239.jpg


All tranny mounts tightened and engine mount bolt inserted:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2011/12/240.jpg


All tranny mounts tightened and engine mount bolted to the car. You can see the final position of the mount in this pic
So in this picture the mount needs 7mm to the left (back of the car) and 7mm to the bottom (towards the mounting point)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2011/12/241.jpg

[Paul Woods]

That's just as we suspected, Jeremy also confirmed 7mm out towards the chassis , however it does not need to go 7mm rearward despite looking like it does.

What is happening there is the weight of the engine pulling on the torque mounts makes it seem the mount needs 7mm rearward, but if you hang the engine on both left and right mounts without the torque mounts then refit the torque mounts it will all line up, I guess you got to trust me on that one.

Right I'm back to work next week, I'll make you a 7mm adjusted mount which will be the same as Jeremy's (we know that works and confirms 1mz and 3mz are the same block dimension), and I'll get that sent to you before the end of next week at no cost to you.

Please pm me your address again , thanks Paul

[Resolve]

Hi Paul,

It makes sense that it only needs the 7mm towards the chassy. When i give the other mounts some slack it can be lined up quite nicely i think.
Thx for the great service! and it's nice to see that with this little adjustment we've got a great supply of quality engine mounts for allmost all engines!

I'le pm you my adress.

Thx Patrick
:eusa_sick: darn hangover :P

[Paul Woods]

It's no problem at all, it is why i didn't want to advertise them as fitting a 1mz/3mz as well as the 3vz until it was 100% confirmed, 7mm is the difference between the two so they are almost the same but not quite.

I have a 1mz/3mz jig now made with the 7mm difference, so if anyone else needs a 1mz/3mz mount i can now supply them.

[ura]

Paul,
Are you still making those mounts? If you do can you please let me know how much there are with shipping to USA, post code is 40220, and what modifications to the MK1 chassis I need to make with 3VZ engine. I believe I need to do changes on left and right chassis mounting plates. Correct?

[Paul Woods]

Hi Ura, yes you need to weld plates onto the left and right chassis legs to hold the mount. I am still making these mounts, the cost of one to the US is £100 delivered, paypal is paul@woodsport.org if you wish to order, many thanks.

[ura]

So, your set including four monuts: front and back togue mounts and left and right. Do I need to do any modifications for torgue mounts? In what time frame I can recive all set?
thanks

[Paul Woods]

Hi, i think you misunderstand, i only sell the right side engine mount, not a full set of four to swap a 3vz into a Mk1, you would need to make the rest yourself.

[cdwood2010]

Hi, i think you misunderstand, i only sell the right side engine mount, not a full set of four to swap a 3vz into a Mk1, you would need to make the rest yourself.

Hi Paul!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the templates for the swap available in the downloads?

Failing that, I'm sure the there's a TB member with some measurements somewhere!

Chris.

[Paul Woods]

They aren't exact fitting templates, just rough mount shapes, from which you make accurate mounts, but without some sort of jig to place the engine in the mm correct position the templates aren't much use, unless you manually align everything. I had a Mk1 3vz jig but i sold it because it's not a conversion i'll be offering again with the 1mz being such a better alternative in that car.

You can't really hang the engine by measurements either, there's too many axis... front to rear, up down,left right and then engine rotation,yaw and pitch about that point, things get complicated outside of a 3vz bolted into a Mk2 because all 4 mounts dictate the finished position of a 3D object in a 3D space, not easy.

Manually doing it takes time, it was the old way we used to do it before the jigs were made.

[Smurfster]

Hi Paul. Dollars sent!

Tristan

[Paul Woods]

Thankyou, it'll be ready and sent by Friday :thumbsup:

[Smurfster]

Thankyou, it'll be ready and sent by Friday :thumbsup:

Excellent stuff Mr Woods:smile:

[Justin311]

Paul,

This mount should work on a 3MZ as well, correct? (or have you messed with 3Ms?). If so I would like a price, shipped to USA zip 22553. Thanks!

[Paul Woods]

Hi Justin, yes the 1mz version fits the 3mz perfectly, PM'd .... thanks Paul.

[oteck]

how much to canada? i want to go back to the stock water pump cover

[Paul Woods]

To Canada works out at $180 shipped, exchange rate and shipping screws you at the moment

[oteck]

yeah, not that bad though
I'll put an order later but may get other things too like a new avensis TOB and 6spd knob shipped to your place :)

[Paul Woods]

No problem at all bud.

[oteck]

is it possible to buy one w/o the brackets for a DIY for "you know what"? also a dimension would be great like OD and width

[Paul Woods]

Hi Oteck, i'm not sure i understand your question? without brackets?

[cdwood2010]

Hi Oteck, i'm not sure i understand your question? without brackets?

I think he means a kit? Build it yourself?

:)

[Paul Woods]

Oh right, not possible without my jig i'm afraid, it places the mount parts in exactly the right place so it hits the chassis mount in the right spot.

[oteck]

just thinking of using the rubber cylinder as a base mount since it looks more compact than grinding the bits off the oem side mount. Thats why i don't want the brackets around it. I'm just afraid the mount would be very tight with an EA6 so i'd like to avoid building a new mount on the chassis

[Paul Woods]

Sorry mate, i'm either really slow this morning or just not getting what you mean at all.... WTF are you talking about lol?

Grinding bits off the OEM side mount?
The mount would be very tight with the EA6?
Building a new mount on the chassis?

Mine just plugs and plays, with nothing to do.

[Goldy]

Sorry mate, i'm either really slow this morning or just not getting what you mean at all.... WTF are you talking about lol?

Grinding bits off the OEM side mount?
The mount would be very tight with the EA6?
Building a new mount on the chassis?

Mine just plugs and plays, with nothing to do.

I think he wants to buy just the tube and rubber part of the mount so he can make his own custom mount....

[oteck]

we cleared it out in the Pm but he hasn't gotten back to me yet

[Paul Woods]

I did reply oteck, I can send you a ring and bush for £30 without the other brackets

[landsmark]

like one two landsmark usa landsmark69@yahoo.com motor mount 3vz

[Paul Woods]

Hi Landsmark, invoice sent, thankyou.

[oteck]

I did reply oteck, I can send you a ring and bush for £30 without the other brackets

I sent another one after that for a full quote for the 2 of them w/ and w/o the bracket. Also i kinda deleted all my PM's prior to that so i need your paypal again ooops

[Paul Woods]

Hi Oteck, $230 total for one complete 1mz/3mz type mount and the ring/bush on their own shipped to your door mate, paypal is paul@woodsport.org , thanks bud.

[oteck]

sent, took awhile as i was chasing around some other 6spd parts...

[oteck]

doh, didn't realize it doesn't completely cover the entire mount :( im abit worried now since it's a heavy setup

[sledge.hammer]

How can i order an engine mount for the 3VZ and how much will it cost + shipping to Germany? Thank you.

[Paul Woods]

PM'd with shipping cost

[muller]

Can i still order an engine mount for the 3VZ and how much will it cost + shipping to US? Thank you.

[Paul Woods]

Yes you sure can, PM sent.