Woodsport 3s-gte Corolla

[Paul Woods]

This one is a first for us, we have a 20v silvertop GT at the garage now and will be putting a 3s-gte into it very soon.This is one of those builds that will be covered indepth here as it is a rare conversion and not often documented.Also a first for TB too so we hope it makes interesting reading.

Lots of updates to follow.

[Gary Symons]

Sounds interesting :popcorn:

[grash2]

this will be a great swap, very common over here(corollas starlet even avensis), but i bet no woodsport touch,

[Tim Higgott]

I must be going blind. No pictures :rozzer:

[biteme]

Looking forward to seeing this one progress :)

[burkedara]

Cant wait to get it back now!

[Paul Woods]

Welcome to TB dara (dara owns the corolla by the way).

Pics of the car coming later for Sir Tim :)

[smccullie]

gr8 stuff i have alway wanted to do this conversion but never had the money. what model you using always liked the ae102 1.8 gxi

[Aware]

Nice Paul... :)

AE101s had the silvertop 20v(both versions), then AE111s got the blacktop(MAP), IIRR(big shame this one isn't a blacktop tbh)......

Is it a Levin or Trueno(Ok, it'll never be a proper one(Hatchi forever!!)) btw??

:)

[Tim Higgott]

Pics of the car coming later for Sir Tim :)


I've been knighted by Mr woods :amen:

[biteme]

I've been knighted by Mr woods :amen:

But you should have been crowned ;)

[burkedara]

Its the ae101 hatch, 94 model, here's a pic:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/09/263.jpg

[smccullie]

Thats my favourite model/shape corolla cant wait for this swap to start now :popcorn:

[OlberJ]

That's actually pretty darn kewl :cool:

Why's it not white though? lol

[burkedara]

Ha, will never be white!

[smccullie]

found this in the garage any use?? its the toyota wiring manual for the ae10

http://s873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/kirstypie_2009/?action=view&current=01102009061.jpg

also have a ae92 one as well no use to me now

ok any time i post pics they dont work here is the wed addy
http://s873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/kirstypie_2009/?action=view&current=01102009061.jpg

[Gary Symons]

found this in the garage any use?? its the toyota wiring manual for the ae10

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/1.jpg

also have a ae92 one as well no use to me now

ok any time i post pics they dont work here is the wed addy
http://s873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/kirstypie_2009/?action=view&current=01102009061.jpg


If you right click on the photo and select properties that will give you the correct link to paste :thumbsup:

hover over yours and mine below and look in the status bar they are different.
http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/kirstypie_2009/01102009061.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/1.jpg

[smccullie]

thanks now i feel stupid haha

:thumbsup:

[Paul Woods]

A little preparatory work started today on the engine.Dara and i discussed what ancilliaries would and wouldn't be staying on this build, the A/C for example was to be ditched completely, partly because we need the space that the condenser occupies for a front mount intercooler but also because there is just not enough room in the bay for the AC compressor.So that is all getting ripped out.

Dara also said the power steering pump could go if it was going to be a problem getting it to work with the 3sgte, but i immediately knew it was going to be almost vital that we found a way to retain this because a 3sgte corolla is going to need all the help it can get in the steering department! Plus running a PS rack without fluid in it will be heavier than a non PS rack.... so we had to work a solution out.

Now we could have just used a Gt4 PS pump, after all that comes already bolted to the block on a Gt4, however it sits right at the back of the engine just above the driveshaft, and on dara's corolla this would mean a major replumbing of the pipework for the rack and also the fluid reservoir.Plus the final nail in the coffin for using the Gt4 pump was the pulley size... it's just way too small compared to dara's pump pulley so it would have had the opposite effect of way too much steering assistance and would probably have felt overly light.

So we had to use the original 20v 4age PS pump, and that is located right at the front of the engine bay, if we could duplicate its relative position on the 3sgte motor then all of the associated pipework/reservoir etc could remian totally stock and in its proper position... which i like the sound of, plus the ratio of PS pump to engine revs would be correct (very similar crank pulley sizes between the 20v and 3sgte).

First thing we did was fit a Gt4 alternator bracket, this puts the alt at the front of the engine and allows us to ditch the horrible Mr2 huge cast bracket we love so much!

Next we made a plate that bolts to the block where the AC pump used to sit...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/2.jpg

Remember all of this is just bare bones construction work on a dirty 3sgte, all of the making things pretty comes much later on.

With this plate made the 20v PS pump was then carefully aligned with the crank and bolted onto the plate....here it is removed on the plate, captive nuts were welded onto the plate rear along with spacers on the top two bolts.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/3.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/4.jpg

And here is the PS pump fitted up to the engine along with the alternator...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/5.jpg

This should now be sitting roughly in the same place it did on the 20v.

We also made a tensioner for the alternator.... circled red, again needs prettying up.

Circled blue, i am going to have to alter the angle on this pipe to clear the alternator but this is very easy.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/6.jpg

Quick reference shot of the current engine bay....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/7.jpg

[nik]

nice..must be refreshing to be doing something a bit different paul..!

[snowtigger]

ever had any ideas on fitting ps to a mk1 paul how hard could it be for a man of your many talents?

[Paul Woods]

Yeah nik it's the challenge in working through the new problems making stuff fit i guess mate.

Tiggs i already did that one mate, converted Lily to PS many years ago and it worked too, just never got round to driving the car....

http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=88&highlight=power+steering

I believe this is the only Mk1 in the world to ever get a PS conversion.

[BSM]

Hehe, if you search very carefully look for a LHD upside down mk2 steering rack...with PAS

[OlberJ]

Hehe, if you search very carefully look for a LHD upside down mk2 steering rack...with PAS

lol I'd have paid good money to see the 1st test.

[Paul Woods]

A good bit of progress on the project, the 20v was very easily removed leaving us with a nice big empty engine bay, these corollas have a surprisingly big bay....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/47.jpg

Before a single thing was altered we did this...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/48.jpg

Straight in with the 3sgte! Lots of space around it and it sits pretty nicely in there.So knowing it fits without any real issues we dropped it back out.

This engine mount and the battery tray were chopped off...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/49.jpg

We also gutted the aircon from the car, removed the corolla radiator and made space for the front mount intercooler.We also worked out what route the IC pipework was going to take.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/50.jpg

Having looked at the skinny corolla rad and the crap position of its water outlets in relation to the 3sgte we decided to bin it, instead we found a Mk1 Mr2 rad (much larger cooling capacity than the corolla one, we measured it) fitted very nicely in the same space.The really spooky thing was that the original 20v rubber rad pipes onto the corolla rad now fitted directly between the 3sgte and the Mk1 rad! No mods whatsoever! Direct plug n play rad pipes.... so for anyone doing a 3sgte corolla, use a mk1 rad, then the old pipes will just fit :)

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/51.jpg

You can see we chopped away a section of front panel just to the left of the rad, this is the exit point of the IC pipes.The IC i have ordered has dual outlets on one side.

At the end of play here is the stripped out/degreased/jetwashed engine bay ready for its new engine mounts to be welded in.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/52.jpg

[burkedara]

Ye got great work done today paul, that shot with the new engine in is very promising looking! taking shape soon!

[dgh938peg]

Lookin good PW!

[sketchy]

marvelous work as always....

pity the wife is lining up my jobs....I v6 my tubby, and then she is making noises about me putting the old 3sgte in the curren.....

probably far less complicated than this...

[Paul Woods]

Yes well we are just at the belt and braces fabbing up stage, i much prefer the final assembly bit when everything starts to look pretty.

Sketchy what is a curren?

[BSM]

It's a Celica with a boot Paul, have a couple round my way....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/53.jpg

[Paul Woods]

You know that's the first time i can remember seeing one of those.

[sketchy]

if you had paid attention to my limo thread you would have seen the offending vehicle...

long lights on the front. not the round ones like the sillycars have
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/07/77.jpg

[Paul Woods]

Yes the whole front end looks like it has had a makeover too...

[dgh938peg]

Well fuck me!

I had one of them "persuing" me in the V6 the other day and couldn't figure out what it was ..... so now i know!! :)

[sketchy]

Well fuck me!

I had one of them "persuing" me in the V6 the other day and couldn't figure out what it was ..... so now i know!! :)

powered by the mighty 3s-FE like mine...no doubt...

but thinking about it. why could you not fit a curren/celica power steering pump to go on the 3sgte your putting in the rolla?

already got the bracket to mount to a 3s block...

[Paul Woods]

Indeed it has sketchy, and that was an option open to us, but it would have meant the power steering pipes would need fabricating to go between gt4 PS pump and corolla rack, also the pulley on the gt4 is quite small, the corolla one is large..... so if i fitted the gt4 pump it would have given way too much power assistance.

So we decided to mount the corolla pump to keep the assistance as it was (cranks look the same diam between 3s and 20v).But yes you are correct in terms of a pump working on the 3s the celica pump is the obvious choice.... if i had been able to pipe it up easy and also swap the pulleys (corolla one looks like a pressed on affair) i probably would have gone down that route instead.

[Paul Woods]

Engine back in today for final alignment and engine mount making.It will be coming back out for the final time once these mounts are fabricated.

With the engine sitting in the perfect position i made cardboard templates of the new mount side plates...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/57.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/58.jpg

Both sides will need top hat plates for strength and of course seam sealed and painted like we usually do on our Mk1 mr2 1.5 swaps.

[dgh938peg]

Looks sweet Paul! I employ the same cardboard mount technique on mr2bigs swap!!

[ukpaisley]

Sure that cardboard is going to hold the engine ok !

ok, ... looks ok for room

[DJJAW11]

Oh wonderful Zealand, can i move over ;)

David

[Paul Woods]

Sure that cardboard is going to hold the engine ok !


Don't be daft..... it's the sellotape that does that.

[EarL]

Looking forward to seeing this finsihed... Should gow well!

[burkedara]

Paul, just thinkin, will you have to bin the spot lights for the ic piping or are they safe?

[Paul Woods]

Safe as houses mate, the IC is going to sit where your AC rad used to go and the piping will not affect your lights.

[burkedara]

Thanks Paul, hate when the holes are there but no spotlights! Whats the plan for this week with it?

[Paul Woods]

Engine mount making, bay spraying, and depending how time goes a certain amount of engine prepping and getting the gearbox converted to FWD.

[burkedara]

Sounds good, looking forward to the updates/pics!

[Paul Woods]

Are you copying the build thread over to your forum? or not told anyone? :)

[burkedara]

Ive started a thread, a lot of interest in it! Im not copyin the whole lot, jus a few pics, ill wait til i have it back! Pickin up a few electronic bits for it, once its back ill be gettin it mapped for 95ron, should be gettin power fc in the next wk!

When you start at the ecu if you just want to remove the RSM thats wired into it, ill get the whole lot put in when im gettin it mapped, save you the hassle of it!

[Paul Woods]

Today saw the steel versions of the cardboard templates welded in, so the engine now hangs on the mounts so that i can fab up the torque mounts etc.This is still in the very early stages, the chassis mounts don't even have top sections added and need cleaning up....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/66.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/67.jpg

They are structurally sound enough for mock engine hanging purposes for now.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/68.jpg

The new front mount IC arrived today, here it is dummy mounted... again this needs bracketing.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/69.jpg

I refitted the lower crossmember and found it fouled the gearbox right along the bottom edge, so we had to cut away some offending steel in the red box area.... this will all be plated in and seam welded before being painted.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/70.jpg

Fitment of this member then allowed the rear torque mount to be made, pretty much like the old 20v one in design.The front torque mount is half done, this has the uprated polybush insert and uses a combo of Gt4 gearbox bracket and mr2 mount...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/71.jpg

So not a lot to do before the engine is dropped back out for the real fun to begin.

[ukpaisley]

U going to clock the turbo ?

[Paul Woods]

By clock i assume you mean rotate the compressor housing? No it is fine where it is, i have repositioned them in the past and while it is entirely doable it does mean rewelding the actuator bracketry which can be fiddly and lead to boosting problems if not done 100% accurately.There is simpy no need to move it on this build, well not at the moment anyway!

[dgh938peg]

looking sweet Paul :thumbsup:

[ukpaisley]

looks a short and quick run to the intercooler,

[burkedara]

Great progress today, how does the dual outlet to the intercooler work? excuse my ignorance!

[Paul Woods]

Cheers dan!

Dara basically it is the same as any IC, boost in,it gets cooled,boost out.Both inlet and outlet are on the same side of the IC,easier for me to plumb this up that way than one outlet each end of the IC

[burkedara]

Thanks, ive never had any dealings with intercoolers before so i hadnt a clue!

[Paul Woods]

Today saw the front torque mount finished, quite a simple design... of course this needs priming and painting.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/80.jpg

With that done i boxed in and welded up the lower crossmember.... this now clears the gearbox everywhere it needs to.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/81.jpg

With all of the mounting hardware completed the engine could come back out for the final time and the chassis mounts were solidly welded with top plates and also seam sealed....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/82.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/83.jpg

The power steering pump pulley needed a little more clearance around the O/S chassis leg, so we modified the chassis leg, rewelded it and seam sealed.... as a point of interest we found evidence of a previous accident repair in this front corner, looks like it has had a new inner wing and front panel at some point in its life, nothing to worry about though, it looks properly repaired.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/84.jpg

Also we fitted the walbro fuel pump onto the corolla carrier and refitted that to the tank...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/85.jpg

Finally today the mounts and were given a textured shutz coating, this stuff sets like rubber and gives great corossion protection where we have been grinding, it also gives the mounts a factory look when painted...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/86.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/87.jpg

So the engine bay just needs painting and it's done, the rest of the work is purely on the engine/gearbox now.

[ukpaisley]

Just engine and grarbox ! you make it sound so easy !!

[OlberJ]

Am digging that textured shutz.

Readily available or special order?

[Paul Woods]

We just get it from paintshop supplies olie.

[corollagt]

Its looking well Dara.Said id tip over and have a look.Cant wait to see this finished in the flesh

[Paul Woods]

Welcome to TB mate, what you see at the moment is just the hobnail boots stage of fabrication, from here on it stuff starts looking pretty and shiney.

[burkedara]

Thanks Jay, alot done the last few days!

[burkedara]

Got the video feed working today, see ya took the numberplate off, it'l be stayin off, they ruin the look of the front!

[Paul Woods]

Yep not much progress to report today, although i did make a jig from your engine bay so that future 3sgte corollas are much easier :)

[Sparky]

Thats a bit different. Don't think we ever got the 2 door corrolla in australia. so it looks a little strange to me.

Should be a nice little hot hatch with this conversion.

[MartG]

Your usual excellent work there Paul - can't wait to see it finished !


found this in the garage any use?? its the toyota wiring manual for the ae10

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/1.jpg

also have a ae92 one as well no use to me now

ok any time i post pics they dont work here is the wed addy
http://s873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/kirstypie_2009/?action=view&current=01102009061.jpg

I could have done with that a couple of years ago when I was doing my AE101 4A-GZE conversion:rolleyes:

[Stefan-gte]

Hi,

I'm new here and live in Holland.

But i wish you good luck with your engine swap and so far it looks awsome.
I have the same Corolla and also have a 3S-GTE under the hood.

[burkedara]

Thanks Stefan, i was looking at yours earlier hopefully it'l be as good!

[Stefan-gte]

Lol, you know my Corolla?

[burkedara]

Ya the lime green one, saw it on toc!

[Big_g]

Loving the build up so far. Hoping to tackle something like this in the new year :) Although,since looking through this forum a mk1.5 does interest me aswell :)

[Paul Woods]

Quick update, dara's rev3 turbo gearbox with LSD arrived, so we got straight on with converting it to FWD.... here it is converted using Gt4 parts.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/144.jpg

I have written an article on how this was done...

http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?p=205557

Also the engine bay was sprayed satin black today, no more red!

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/145.jpg

[smccullie]

Is there room for a v6 in there ?? always wanted to know that

[Paul Woods]

Yes we think there is room for a v6.

[smccullie]

so the rollas can get brutal as well interesting........
wish i didnt scrap the ae102 rolling shell now damm

[MartG]

Coming along nicely :thumbsup:

[Paul Woods]

We have partially stripped the engine now for cleaning and painting.Along with changing the timing belt i am replacing both crankshaft oil seals, they aren't leaking but i'd like to do them for peace of mind.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/156.jpg

The gearbox has been degreased, prepped, primed and painted..... black is the new black.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/157.jpg

The plenum and cam cover have also been primed and basecoated yellow, these are still to have laquer applied but you get the idea...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/158.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/159.jpg

Black and yellow will be the only two colours in the bay so it is going to look really good i think.

[Aware]

Nice colour combo! :)

Notice you don't show the 'tensioner pin from hell' in your engine pic...makes SW in-situ belt changes so, so much more of a pita...... :rant:

EDIT: I lied, just spied it...f'ing things...

:)

[burkedara]

The paint scheme is gonna look great, cant wait til everythin is in and painted!

[Paul Woods]

The cam cover and plenum are now glossy...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/160.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/161.jpg

Also got the heatshield back to its glory with new torx bolts holding it down, all in the detail as they say...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/162.jpg

The new clutch and timing belt are here, so just waiting for the oil seals to arrive on monday morning.

[burkedara]

Forgot to ask, is there much clearance left under the bonnet? Painted pieces look very shiney!! :D

[Paul Woods]

About 3/4" between the throttle body and bonnet webbing and about 1" between alternator and webbing... these are the highest points, so plenty of room, and that is with the sump perfectly level with the cars floor, so it fits quite nicely.

[burkedara]

Sounds good, hopefully the carbon bonnet will fit as its nearly flat on the underside.

I take it the 3 point strut brace wont be goin on!

[Paul Woods]

We won't know about that until the final build up, but we are pretty good at making things fit so if it can be done i will find a way.

[burkedara]

Sounds good!http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/2.gif

[adamh]

good show so far!. does the corolla have a mechanical speedo paul?, or does it use an electronic sender?

[Paul Woods]

Electronic ads

[Paul Woods]

Well the engine is now reassembled with a new timing belt, and a new clutch fitted, still lots more detailing to do but the engine is now back in the car for the last time....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/185.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/186.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/187.jpg

Lots of pipework to make, positions of lots of components to cram into a very small area but it's looking good.

[biteme]

Bravo!

[dgh938peg]

Scherwing!

[burkedara]

Looks like it should have been in there from day one!

[sketchy]

as for being there from day one...

I work with a guy that used to assemble cars for toyota "pre production" when toyota assembled vehicles here...they would come in "CKD" and the techs would assemble to figure out the process for the NZ spec models...

some times they wouldnt get the engines that were intended...
little starlets and corrollas (like the EE90 shape, with a 3S...or something more crazy)but in the end most ended up as toyota intended, as they were deemed to much for the regular populace.

doesnt mean they didnt do stupid stuff though...he keeps meaning to bring his pics of the stupid cars he built while working for them.

[Paul Woods]

The intercooler is now mounted with bracketry as is the mk1 mr2 radiator which has been a huge success...

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/218.jpg

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/219.jpg

The engine is now on all four mounts, the gear cables are fitted, clutch slave line fitted and starter fitted, just finding a space for eveything is quite a challenge.

Here is the new air filter, yellow and black of course... still need to paint the AFM.

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/220.jpg

[gidonlamboo]

Looks very nice all that yellow :banana:

[Stefan-gte]

Great job, Yellow looks nice :D

Little idea for the AFM? I created it this way:
http://www.corollatuning.com/pictures/cache/Overige_Begonnen+met+spuiten%252C+Mei+2008_1005200 8350.jpg.small.jpg

[Paul Woods]

That's very inventive, i like that. Luckily i have found a space for everything in dara's bay now.

[biteme]

What IC is that?

[gidonlamboo]

Great job, Yellow looks nice :D

Little idea for the AFM? I created it this way:
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg

Another dutch guy :beer:

[smccullie]

Another dutch guy :beer:

ye i think a 2010 meet in holland could go down well with all

[gidonlamboo]

Sound good to me mate...

[Paul Woods]

Today saw the throttle cable sorted, we took off the corolla one (way too short) and fitted a camry one instead which is the perfect length.

The power steering pump to rack line was also fabricated using mostly camry parts, Toyota parts bin stuff is great when it comes to engine conversions.

[Plasticgeordie2007]

YOur not wrong there Paul as you proved when you fitted a Camry ABS sensor to my celica to save me quite a lot of money

[Arnie]

ye i think a 2010 meet in holland could go down well with all

Something with a nice tour, BBQ and beer....


Just a suggestion:beer:
( If needed, I've got some space in the garden for this kind of fun.;) )

Bu tback on topic, nice work mr. Woods looking good as always.:thumbsup:

[biteme]

Hmm, that would be nice - but I think we're already planning something for Norway? How about the Norwegian guys come to Holland? We can both get Ferries to Holland from Norway and the UK.

Why not suggest it? :)

[Tim Higgott]

Does that make it cheaper Johnny. I'm all up for cheaper.

[Paul Woods]

It costs an arm and a leg Tim, you're running out of payment options mate! :)

[Tim Higgott]

I have a leg but can't afford to loose another arm at the mo:thumbsup:

[Arnie]

Hmm, that would be nice - but I think we're already planning something for Norway? How about the Norwegian guys come to Holland? We can both get Ferries to Holland from Norway and the UK.

Why not suggest it? :)

I don't want to interfere with excisting plans, but if you(2brutal UK) and the Norgwegians both like this changed idea you are all more then :welcome:

[Paul Woods]

Not wishing to be a miserable bastard here but could you guys start another thread about this? This is dara's build thread.

Bah humbug.

[biteme]

Go on Paul, I'll let you :P

[Paul Woods]

The boost pipe set up is now dummy fitted, support brackets made and everything finalized in place.... just waiting for the HKS SSQV to arrive before the whole lot is removed and painted.

It has turned out to be quite a neat installation.

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2009/11/140.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/11/19.jpg

[burkedara]

Looks very tidy, the BOV will look good in there!

[OlberJ]

Whereabouts you planning to locate the BOV?

[Stefan-gte]

Looking good :yourock:

By the way, which gearbox do you use?

[biteme]

I do think the strut brace is a little out. The white doesn't go IMO - carry on the theme or even silver to match the turbo, but the white just doesn't go. Just IMO for what it's worth.

The BOV will be best located off the pipe work from the intercooler I guess, so it doesn't sit too high and get whacked on the bonnet by bumps.

Nice to see this progressing.

[snowtigger]

the black and yellow theme makes it a bit waspish imo, if your going with a theme yellow or black for the strut brace seems a shame when every thing else has been sorted and color coded why not the brace like johnny says bit of an eye sore.

but who am i to judge any bodys tastes i once built a bike with a custom tank with naked ladies ghosted into the black flames on a neon bright purple paint job with neon green wheels i called it the cheesy bellend, oh youth were for art thou gone i thought it was the bees knees i was only 17 on a yamaha ypvs 125.

[burkedara]

Ya i was talkin to paul re this already, it'l be sprayed black or yellow! keep the theme goin

[Paul Woods]

The BOV is going here olie...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/11/20.jpg

Stefan, we used a rev3 LSD equipped Mk2 Mr2 turbo gearbox but then converted it to FWD using Gt4 bits.... it's all in this thread.


Nice to see this progressing.

Nice to see you appreciating progress.....

[burkedara]

Tyres ordered this morning Paul.

[SlipSlide]

Looks very tidy lads, black strut brace gets my vote.

[biteme]

Looks very tidy lads, black strut brace gets my vote.


Even watching on the Woodsport Webcam, the white strut brace sticks out a mile.

Black brace with yellow ends?

[Stefan-gte]

Ok sorry Paul, now i see it indeed :banghead:
Another question... Which driveshafts did you use, because i heard the MR2 3S-GTE wheel hub size is bigger.
I have a 3S-GE gearbox without LSD, but these driveshafts fit perfectly and i want LSD too :sad:

Hope i wrote it correctly :P

[Arnie]

@ Stefan : You might want to check this topic :
http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=11589


As for the brace : I would go for the all Yellow option :idea:

[Paul Woods]

Yes as arnie says you can give your NA box the LSD treatment or use a mk2 turbo box (highly recommended with the 3sgte).Shaft wise they are Mk2 turbo shafts but with celica GT4 st185 outer CV joints fitted to them, this makes them fit the corolla hub.Same mod that is done on mk1 turbo builds.

[Stefan-gte]

Thanks a lot :)
Think i would go for a LSD treatment cause the gearbox is heavy enough.
Have it for 4 years now but never had any probs with it.

Enough offtopic i don't want to mess up this thread ;)

[Conor]

if you had paid attention to my limo thread you would have seen the offending vehicle...

long lights on the front. not the round ones like the sillycars have
Stateside we only got the round "four eyes" Celicas, but had an option of hatchback or coupe bodies.. Go figure!

[Paul Woods]

The special edition HKS Black SSQV BOV has now arrived with its weld on flange.... which i welded on!

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/11/49.jpg

All of the IC pipework is now seam welded, it now needs cosmetics and painting before final assembly, and i am just waiting on a full order of Mikalor clamps to finish the IC set up fully.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/11/50.jpg

Work left on the engine swap includes the exhaust and wiring it up.

[burkedara]

Good call on the BOV, cant wait to hear the sound of it! Suits the colour scheme anyway!

[Paul Woods]

Spent a good few hours grinding down the IC pipe welds, also sleeved the ends where they go into the IC for a better fit.The pipes are now filled and ready to be sanded.After that they will get high build primered and painted.They will look totally smooth with no visible joins.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/11/57.jpg

[Stefan-gte]

Nice work mate, looks good.

[biteme]

I saw this pipework on Sat. I really think it's top, top notch, sprayed up it will look stunning :thumbsup:

[Paul Woods]

The engine bay is now 95% complete, the IC pipes are finished and it's now at the wiring up stage....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/11/64.jpg

[biteme]

That thing is screaming power already.

Top-job, Woods!

[MRV6]

Had a look at this today, really top notch work. Cracking conversion this and yes it does scream power.

[Paul Woods]

Another angle....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/11/70.jpg

[biteme]

Will be an interesting drive that.

R888's will certainly help it on the move

[snowtigger]

How's your tongue ?

Does look rather tasty yellow isn't my cup of tea, lime green or purple but that's just me hope it comes to jae as i would like to see this in the flesh love Q cars.

[burkedara]

Thats perfect, jus wat i was hoping for!

Re JAE id hope to get over for a show or 2 next year!

[biteme]

Thats perfect, jus wat i was lookin for!

Re JAE id hope to get over for a show or 2 next year!

Leave your car here and just get a flight over, far more effective and better for me :)

[burkedara]

Ha, good one but i cant wait much longer without my car!! The R888's mite be worn completely by the time i get back home!

[biteme]

LMAO, only if you go across the Irish Sea!
Out of interest, what route back are you taking? Ferry from Hollyhead?

[Paul Woods]

No ferry....I say we just build a ramp.

[biteme]

No ferry....I say we just build a ramp.

Nobody listens to Woods! :)

[Paul Woods]

It's a shame cos that's a genius idea

[OlberJ]

Would need a landing ramp over there too.

[Paul Woods]

Who said anything about landing? It may not come back down....

[biteme]

Who said anything about landing? It may not come back down....

Paul, test drive it then, when my car's done.

[burkedara]

Came over via belfast-stranraer so ill probably go back that way, which ever is cheaper! Bridge over would be a lot handier though and more exciting, autobahn style!

[Paul Woods]

Flawed plan that dara... that would turn ireland into one big cul-de-sac, we can't be having that.

[SlipSlide]

Looks excellent, at last something to put manners on all those type R'ssss over here.

Shall there be a youtube link with a running car soon.

[burkedara]

Ha, but the road trip over an back would be worth it!

ps @ paul did you get my pm?

[Paul Woods]

Yep i will need to have a look at the brakes and make my best guess on the kit mate, bit of an unknown that one.

Yes slip, there will be a youtube vid of this one.

[burkedara]

Thanks Paul, lookin forward to seeing those videos!

[dgh938peg]

Top marks Paul - that looks fookin lush!

You may now get back to your ramp/bridge discussion :D

[Paul Woods]

Thanks dan! Oh i tried my ramp/bridge to ireland design in Pontifex to test the theory but it didn't go too well....

hcxaF-fCUTA

[tripod23]

i saw this build in the flesh yesterday when i went to meet phil and paul - the owner will be over the moon to get his motor back looking as cool as that..................nice job paul.

[burkedara]

Im already over the moon with the progress made!

[Paul Woods]

Well a little bit of history made for us today, our first 3s-gte Corolla is running :)

All instruments and warning lights are working, in fact it fired up first turn of the key.

I will grab some video when the engine bay wiring has been insulated and packed away.

[MartG]

Woo Hoo ! Well done Paul :clap:

[burkedara]

You've made my day! Cant wait for the video

[Gary Symons]

Nice one :thumbsup:

So how does this swap rate for build complexity on the twobrutalometer?

[biteme]

Well a little bit of history made for us today, our first 3s-gte Corolla is running :)

All instruments and warning lights are working, in fact it fired up first turn of the key.

I will grab some video when the engine bay wiring has been insulated and packed away.


You've made my day! Cant wait for the video

Made up for you mate - I know the feeling I had when my car started. I didn't show it on the outside, but I was secretly elated :thumbsup:

[burkedara]

When i pick it up i dont think ill get out of it for a while, not even on the ferry!

[biteme]

When i pick it up i dont think ill get out of it for a while, not even on the ferry!

Hopefully our paths will cross @ Woodsplurt mate. Would like a spin in that!

[burkedara]

I had the pleasure of seein yours when i dropped mine over, wouldnt mind a spin in it either, that'll be the definition of screaming power!

[biteme]

that'll be the definition of screaming power!


...hopefully!!

[SlipSlide]

Excellent news, looking forward to the vid, drop me a PM when you going to a meet or event and I will do my best to meet up. Lookin forward to seeing this in the flesh.

wordy

[adamh]

great work, i hope it comes through smoothly.

[Paul Woods]

Gary i'd say it's is probably one of the harder swaps to do, definately a lot trickier than a mk1 turbo for sure.

[gidonlamboo]

Gary i'd say it's is probably one of the harder swaps to do, definately a lot trickier than a mk1 turbo for sure.

It's woodsport magic :thumbsup:

[Paul Woods]

And i have the t-shirt to prove it! right gidon? :)

[Paul Woods]

Dara's WMS brake upgrade, this is a mk1 kit but it fits the AE101 with a washer spacing the adapter bracket to make the disc run central, apart from that all good.

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2009/11/164.jpg

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2009/11/165.jpg

And another gratuitous shot of the completed conversion...

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2009/11/166.jpg

[biteme]

This is going to be awesome street car. Dara, I love it!

[burkedara]

Thats the best news, wasnt sure if they'd fit, they should be up to the job! Not long left now!

Keepin the colour theme goin with the brakes, should've got the yellow stuff pads! Did the brake lines work ok with the kit aswell?

[Paul Woods]

They certainly did.

[jevansio]

Watched this progress pretty much daily, must say it's a great conversion again, looked OEM IMHO

[keri-WMS]

Dara's WMS brake upgrade, this is a mk1 kit but it fits the AE101 with a washer spacing the adapter bracket to make the disc run central, apart from that all good.

That's great news!

The spacer washers I included in the kit (the 2mm thick, wide M12 ones) are to convert the kit to use the ST185 disc instead of the deeper Camry one.

So if you only needed to fit that (nothing from your nuts/bolts/washers box) then the AE101 is "exactly" the same as the AW11 in terms of brake fit - which makes it the same as AE82/AE92 as well!

Do the pads line up exactly flush with the outside of the disc? (+/- 0.5mm maybe)?

This car will be a weapon! :beer:

[snowtigger]

torque steer maybe a problem with that amount of bhp and torque, i once had for my sins an escort turbo with 250bhp handled like a wounded elephant going round corners fantastic in a straight line but boy was it hard to go round bends and roundabouts.

i agree with the comment this will be an awesome street sleeper on a par with a turbo mk1, but i wouldnt go much higher than 300bhp in a front wheel drive car as you still whant it useable.

[Paul Woods]

yes the pads lined up too keri, spot on.

[keri-WMS]

yes the pads lined up too keri, spot on.

Sweet! :mrgreen:

[burkedara]

@snowtigger - theres a lsd'd turbo box gone into it so that will help lessen the torque steer hopefully!

@ keri - Did you have to redrill the disks for the ae101 fitment or were they fine? ill probably be onto you about rear pads for it aswell, would you have reds in stock for them?

[keri-WMS]

@ keri - Did you have to redrill the disks for the ae101 fitment or were they fine? ill probably be onto you about rear pads for it aswell, would you have reds in stock for them?

The AW11 (and also AE101) are both 4x100 PCD, as the two discs I use (Celica ST185 and "Camry-rare-and-now-extinct") are both 5x100 all I need to do is add three holes to make them fit. Totally safe, and I've done heaps of them over the years!

As for the rear I'm only finding the AE101 listed with drums - what setup has yours got?

[burkedara]

The rear has disks aswel, the chassis code is ae101-agmvf if thats any good to ya?

[keri-WMS]

The rear has disks aswel, the chassis code is ae101-agmvf if thats any good to ya?

Really? I still can't find anything, the closest I got was this rear AE111 disc:

Diameter (mm): 266
Thickness (mm): 10
Min (mm): 8
HT (mm): 37
Bore (mm): 55 <<<<<<<<<<<< ?
Type: Solid

Is that the same as your rear disc?

[burkedara]

Ill find out for ya, but i think they will be the same, whats the price for a rear set? thanks

[keri-WMS]

Ill find out for ya, but i think they will be the same, whats the price for a rear set? thanks
I can't give you a price untill we are sure it's the right part - I'm pretty sure it isn't! I'll need photos and dimensions of the rear pads as well as the dimensions of the rear discs before I can check anything.

Do you have the "OE Ref" numbers for the discs / pads? If you phone Toyota with your full chassis number maybe they'll give you the numbers for the rear discs/pads?

If you can get me those numbers number I can try some other searches.

[skascoupe]

nice job, is she back in ireland yet?
what driveshafts are you using?
are driveshafts from a gtz supercharger levin the same as driveshafts from a supercharger mk1 mr2?
was there much wiring involved in getting her going?
also are the shafts equal length to stop torque steer?

[Paul Woods]

Hi, welcome to TB.

It is still at my garage, we got 1 days testing done before the bad weather hit, so further testing before the car is released is needed.

Driveshafts are mr2 turbo with st185 outer CV joints.
Yes it was a hard car to wire up, that took a good week to figure out.
Yep equal length driveshaft arrangement and LSD too :thumbsup:

[burkedara]

Bit of help is needed with the ecu, ive a power fc ordered for 2 months but its taking a long time to get here cause there discontinued, is there any other good ecu that i could use to run the car, it has to be able to be mapped for 95ron cause thats all we can get on this silly island, what are people using on their mk1.5's?
Any help greatly appreciated :thumbsup:

[biteme]

Does your car have ABS? Budget? :)

[burkedara]

No abs, budget of about £600/700, would love to have some sort of launch control, traction control!

[biteme]

You will struggle to meet that mate for that budget - you'd need to buy wheel speed sensors or retrofit ABS to the car - and that'll eat £250 (ish) of that budget.

I'm thinking that something along the Megasquirt route might have to be your best bet at that budget mate. Like I advised PlasticGeordie, choose your mapper and tell them what you want.

[Plasticgeordie2007]

I would listen carefully to johny especially as if you do not have abs then the cost of launch/traction control is a lot higher as you will need to fit the wheel speed sensors

[burkedara]

Im thinkin the power fc may be the only one so cause seems to be the main one thats mapable in this country.

Ive got a bee-r rev limiter that i can try use for launch control instead?

[biteme]

To be honest, I'd sell the Bee-R, put the money towards a spare set of R888 fronts and learn to launch the car manually.

Bee-R is an open loop rev limiter, which takes no account of the conditions or the wheelspin.

Learn to balance the new power on the clutch and accelerator. You'll do a lot better than the Bee-R.

[burkedara]

Thanks for the help, ill just have to get on the track and get learning!

[biteme]

Best way! :)

[snowtigger]

Abs is for pussys and cars that aren't phsically sporty euro barges, instead of spending shed loads tuneing the engine tune your self into how your car handles then when you have that dialled in then up your bhp, 250 in a front wheel drive is more than enough otherwise torque steer is going to be a bastard to controll going round bends.

There's a good reason for these turbo engines into mk1 mr2 because you are no longer trying to put power through the steering wheels, like johnny says pay out for some good tires first run it around for a bit then if your not happy save the money up and buy a good ecu that is supported by a good mapper.

[skascoupe]

Im thinkin the power fc may be the only one so cause seems to be the main one thats mapable in this country.

Ive got a bee-r rev limiter that i can try use for launch control instead?

nice project dara
There should be plenty of lads to map her here in ireland for 95crap,westward engineering are supposed to be good,
make sure of emissions etc for nct, youll probly need to refit cat for nct, should be a straight swop if your using standard ct26 turbo,
launch control should come with most ecus, traction is a different story forget that,
i got a run in a st205 engined corolla before, white gxi one, verrrry fast, well over 300horsies and well fast.

[Aware]

i got a run in a st205 engined corolla before, white gxi one, verrrry fast, well over 300horsies and well fast.

Sounds like Adrian's first one...although his silver one(2nd car, ~400ps; forced 4WD dev) was far, far more insane(memories of Elvington still bring a smile)...

:)

[skascoupe]

Sounds like Adrian's first one...although his silver one(2nd car, ~400ps; forced 4WD dev) was far, far more insane(memories of Elvington still bring a smile)...

:)

yep thats the one, silver was sweet also, fwd aswell wasnt she,
she went rallying,
elvington, thats in york is it was over a TOTB a few years back,
good show

[burkedara]

Back to an old post re: a mappable ecu, im getting a refund for the power fc i had ordered cause their having major problems getting one, so back to square one to find an ecu for the car!

What are my options for a standalone ecu for a 3sgte? The only thing i really need for it is to be mappable for 95ron, every other option will be welcome!

[biteme]

Back to an old post re: a mappable ecu, im getting a refund for the power fc i had ordered cause their having major problems getting one, so back to square one to find an ecu for the car!

What are my options for a standalone ecu for a 3sgte? The only thing i really need for it is to be mappable for 95ron, every other option will be welcome!

Link G4 gets my vote if there's no Apexi's around!

[burkedara]

Wheres the best place to get one, would you know roughly how much they go for? :thumbsup:

[biteme]

Speak to Thor Racing.

Prices change all the time because of exchange rate mate.

[burkedara]

Will do! Thanks

[Plasticgeordie2007]

I spoke to Ryan at 2bartuning and the cheapest way of getting a link is to purchase one direct off them, and get it shipped from NZ.

[Nod]

I spoke to Ryan at 2bartuning and the cheapest way of getting a link is to purchase one direct off them, and get it shipped from NZ.

I think you will find that Thor's relentless moaning to Philip at Link has nipped this scheme in the bud.

Lyndon.

[biteme]

That's a pain! Although I guess asking won't be a problem :P

[Plasticgeordie2007]

As the OP is in Ireland i'm sure it wont be a problem. Unless an Irish versionof Thor have complained

[biteme]

That's a good point, but I think Thor are UK distributors, and Dublin is in the UK!
Powermax Engineering are the retailers for the Irish market, so they are.

[Diesel Meister]

...so they are.

I got a giggle from this. Sue me lol

How is the Corolla holding up? Much more work to be undertaken yet?

[burkedara]

Ill get onto Link asap so, see wat they can come up with?

@johnny - never heard of powermax engineering, will have to look into them!

Will be picking up the car next tuesday, cant wait!

[Paul Woods]

Apologies to dara for not shooting a video earlier but here it is running, the blow off valve is distorting my camera mic though!!

AbKWpbwEfwk

[snowtigger]

another quality job by the woodsport team sounds great that paul, daras going to be well chuffed with this turbo monster and will be upsetting many unsuspecting cars.

[burkedara]

Roll on tuesday, cant wait!

[dgh938peg]

Scherweeet fellas! Well done all! :thumbsup:

[Stefan-gte]

Nice work, well done! Wanna know if it beats mine lol

[MR2_NA]

That is fantastic, that car is awesome.

[SlipSlide]

Well Dara have you made it over the woodsport ramp and landed in the emerald isle, or long island.
Hope your insulting lots of hunda'ssss and enjoying your new beast.

[burkedara]

Ya i went over on tuesday to collect it, back home again, all i can say is the car is totally different, the power is unreal, just pulls like a train through the gears, couldnt recommend the conversion enough! The only thing left to do is get it mapped, will be A1 then!

[Quandry]

Awesome stuff Dara :thumbsup:

hope I get to see this first hand some day..

[biteme]

Ya i went over on tuesday to collect it, back home again, all i can say is the car is totally different, the power is unreal, just pulls like a train through the gears, couldnt recommend the conversion enough! The only thing left to do is get it mapped, will be A1 then!

I'd get the car highered a little and probably soften the springs a little, you'll get the power down better in most places then :)

[sketchy]

how did you get on with sourcing a link?...whats the retail in UK$..or even better if you do the math and convert to NZ$ for me...just so I know how lucky I am:P

[Diesel Meister]

How are you finding the brakes dara?

[burkedara]

Ya first thing i have to do is raise up the car about an inch, once its stops rainin ill be able to go at it, the inner cv booths are torn because of the height issue so will have to get them replaced.

The brakes are fairly good, havent got to use them in anger yet, the pads do take a bit to heat up but then their great!

Ive changed the bonnet to a carbon fiber one, must get up pics when i find a camera, i thought that it might not fit because theres a vent going into the lower half of the bay, but it clears everything, just!

[burkedara]

Forgot to add, ive emailed Link so hopefully ill get a reply on monday then im thinkin goin back over to Ryan to get it mapped! Will be the end of next month though!

[biteme]

When you raise it an inch - get the alignment re-done. Then, when you've ruined those r888's, think about getting them on a slightly higher profile as well. It won't look "hard" but it'll sure as hell go better!!

[burkedara]

Im goin to pick up a 2nd set of alloys, and go with a 205/50 profile, should help get the power down better than the 195 it is now. But raising it up is the main problem, if i leave it as is it'l just keep tearing the boots!

[biteme]

Yep, and with an inch, plus the additional height on the tyre wall will give greater absorption - saving the boots even more :P

[burkedara]

Thats the plan, dont fancy changin the boots every weekend, but i do love the new found power!

[burkedara]

Bit of an update for ye all, raised up the car over an inch all round, put on the 3" downpipe paul gave me that i couldnt use when the car was so low! Went drag racing last week up the north, managed a 14.3 so happy enough for my first time and the car not setup properly yet, got my LINK G$ in the post yesterday so will be off to get it mapped soon. Few pics at the drag racing
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/04/147.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/04/148.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/04/149.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/04/150.jpg
And i bought these alloys, there 15x7" enkei's, will be gettin them cleaned up and sprayed gloss black
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/04/151.jpg

[keri-WMS]

And i bought these alloys, there 15x7" enkei's, will be gettin them cleaned up and sprayed gloss black
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/04/151.jpg

I had a set of these, I really liked them!

[adamh]

what boost are you running boost right now?

[burkedara]

@ keri - ya its from the pic of them on the mk1 that i really got to like them, will be goin gloss black though!

Running standard boost, 0.7 i think, will be goin for mappin in a few weeks time to try get the most out of it? Wat sort of power can be got from the standard engine?

[adamh]

standard, well, lots, its a 3sgte!. i think if you had a boost controller in there, have one?, you could get it mapped upto 15-16Lbs. circa 265 +/- 10 should be achievable. 14.3 at 10 is a good result, did you enjoy the strip?

[burkedara]

It has a manual one but didnt go near it, will be gettin that all setup when i bring it to get mapped! Loved the strip, think im addicted now!

[Quandry]

Hey Dara well done. That looks like Enniskillen right? seems that the weather was perfect for you on the day. I think you'll find a lot of new found power when you get that Link installed :)

[Stefan-gte]

For tuning the 3SGTE this is very usefull, http://www.mrcontrols.com/primers/power.htm
Got mine at ca 18 psi with a CT20B turbo, fmic and 3" exhaust system. 300 HP at the crank.

[burkedara]

Wats the most power that can be got from the standard ct26 turbo, would there be any need to get bigger injectors before goin for mappin? Will be gettin a 3" exhaust made up before goin for mappin so dont think theres much more i can do before that, just a service aswel?

[Quandry]

The power primer that Stefan posted is a very good explanation of the logical ways to upgrade in stages. You could possibly take it to 1.1bar or so but I wouldn't go higher until you change out your headgasket (unless it's changed already), you would also then be worth upgrading the 440's to 540's.

* Be careful in your FWD! all of that power goes well in an MR2 but it's a lot for the Corolla to take and you're going to find the limits of your available traction!

[Stefan-gte]

The CT26 can hold up to 1 bar, i would't go any higher that that.
Also when you pass the 5000 rpm the CT26 can't keep up the boost till the redline like the CT20B does.

The Corolla holds up 300hp very well, only in 1st and 2nd gear wheelspin. If i look in the mirror i can see 1 large black stripe at the road, but that's because i don't even have LSD :)

You don't need any bigger injectors unless you go higher than about 320/330hp
But if you do, it's better to upgrade your fuelrail also.

[burkedara]

Wat model is the ct20b from? Will look into gettin one, or even a hybrid ct26.

The standard turbo lsd is in car at the moment, anyone know of a better 1.5 diff to put in it?

[jayray]

Only two cars you'll find a ct20b off. There's the st205 gt4, or the gen 3 (94+) onwards mr2 turbos. Don't go for one out of the st215 or st246 caldina, they have the manifold and exhaust side of the turbo cast as one, and port spacing is different to gen2 3sgte.

[OlberJ]

Be better off getting something slightly bigger than getting a CT20b no?

GT28RS?

[jayray]

Depends how much they cost over there and if you can find a ct20b. If you get the garrett you have a lot of headroom to play with, but to use it you'll need upgraded fuel system, ecu etc. ct20b is good enough to be getting towards the limits of the stock gen 2 fuel system limits, and you don't have to change anything except the turbo itself

[Stefan-gte]

Indeed, it's plug and play and you feel a lot of difference.

Like Jayray said, when you go for a bigger turbo you also have to upgrade other compontents.

[OlberJ]

Fair point, well put.