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it would seem if Im keeping my standard SW20 turbo. Im under instructions to V6 it..so it will be getting joined onto the E153 and put back to work.
a couple of reasons really, I have the bits already.
I have to have mine done before the brother in law has his motor pop..
and Im on leave for a few weeks(off for 2, back for 2, and off for 2 more:))...hoping to have it all sorted before Im back to work...after the second lot.
then I can drive it to work every day:D, and being transfered closer soon, the gas bill is of no real concern anymore.
so before I finish the first lot of leave I intend to have the 3SGTE out of the yellow car..the trans off and the flywheel off being machined.
I already have pipes made up. including exhaust.the fuel lines been made up too.so the only thing slowing me down is actually the flywheel/clutch
the limo is a donor car/fit up car, I can find and install another V6 easy enough:)
might sound like a silly question...brain fart if you will...
but would a manual trans surf with a 3vz-e flywheel work as an option for the conversion?
probably easier and cheaper to get one of those than to get my 3sgte one modified....
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/files/v6mr2.pdf
have a look at day 5....
so a 4 runner one fits, but question then is, is the surf one the same? as according to some of the americans i got info from when looking at doing the swap myself the "truck" flywheel was a no go?
and I did some running around yesterday.
the cover on a 3sgte is 9 1/4 inch the surf one is 9 1/2 but the plate is only 1mm smaller on the 3sgte.
there are basically 2 types of surf flywheel available the first is a 2 piece one, with what amounts to a rubber block in it, the other is obviously solid.
trying to track a cheap one down to compare.
the other option is to actually get the 3sgte flywheel and actually use some ARP reduced shank bolts and dowel it to end of the crank(after speaking to the engineers that have done this locally they seemed to think it was safer than actually redrilling the flywheel)
or yet the other option, order a fidenza and be done with it...lol
but I have to do this now...if I dont Im getting divorced apparently..so I have been told...ha ha ha
ordered my fidenza last night, going to order my HD organic clutch this afternoon
and the flywheel bolts I can collect when Im ready as they will be sitting at the dealers parts department waiting for me:)
going out to the shed soon to get on with it:)
so...the flywheel has been in transit from the states since friday their time.
I have a "super tuff" HD exedy clutch kit sitting in the spare room.
the flywheel bolts getting couriered to me tomorrow.
and the driveshaft bearing support for my turbo axles is getting machined up, after I cut the 3vz mount of the back of it tomorrow morning.
was slack today...really just a drive around, drop alloy wheels to scrap man. old cat converter to "the cat man". pick up steel for other jobs, and good bits for the short 2 day.
its just like clitoris today....
ok thats not quite right, more bits arrived...now sitting on the floor next to me is a fidenza...to join the clutch kit..just waiting on the flywheel bolts now:)
well I fitted the fidenza to the engine.
using the bolt part numbers off here, as ya do.
I didnt actually bother measureing them, but wound them in and pulled the flywheel on with them. torqued them up to about 74lb/feet.
spun the motor over by hand and there are no grinding noises, or binding
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/150.jpg
so Ill guess its safe...if its not Ill deal with it I guess...lol
fabbed up another engine mount(as this is the play car not the limo.)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/151.jpg
while I could have ordered another one off tony the time Id have to wait for another was a factor. so I just went to the steel merchants and got some plate and tube to make another..but I actually got far more than I needed..enough tube to make about 30 odd mounts, and enough plate to make maybe 5 or so...they didnt have any smaller off cuts of plate:(
not gonna be wasted though...I can find other jobs for it:)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/10/73.jpg
got my new drive shaft carrier bearing to. so just need to pull the shaft out and move that and Im good to drop the v6 in the hole and drive it away...
went into a parts shop yesterday and bought some appropriately shaped flexible coolant lines.
had a rough week though, wednesday driving to work the radiator on the ST206/curren split a header tank about 45minutes walk away from work at best.so didnt make it, got the car home and sourced parts instead.
thursday drove the still turbo SW to work, almost got cleaned up by a guy in a white subaru forrester going the other way.clipped the wing mirror on the passengers side on my way to work..
on the way home the radiator return hose clamp failed and it let most of the water out. in the middle of nowhere(even more isolated then when the header tank went on the other car the day before, cell phone coverage pretty much runs out 1km back down the road I was on) so got the 2 home...
friday managed to get the curren back together...so I could go to work again...
so Im not gonna try to get the 3sgte going properly before I rip it out...I topped up the water friday morning, started it up. its not blowing bubbles or anything and no obvious leaks around the timing cover(so pump is probably ok too), thats about, it. Im gonna drop the motor this week, couple of hours a day before I go to work. might even be doing wiring on friday...
still not pulled the motor...moved the limo out and put a couple of car covers over it...(yes more than one)
cleared up the shed to bring the yellow car in, but I seem to keep finding panels that are straighter than the ones on the car so Im prepping those for paint instead of pulling them all off the car straight away, so will swap them after painting the shell:)
ok...so not posted much about it lately...
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found some bog
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since then its been de engined and more sanding done...
Very sweet. Its about someone posted a really good shot of their carrier bearing! lol!
well its a little update, and with this time of year its been hard to get into the shed for any length of time....
but that said I managed to get a few days solid in there, even got my lovely wife in helping me:)
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the engine is out also.... still have to split the trans off and bolt it to the V6, but I can do that while the paint is hardening:)
pretty much decided Im done with wet sanding for now...problem is its still not quite done:(
still got the sills and the bottom of the passengers door to do..so not much left to worry about...and need to reprime some of the drivers door as its pretty well stuffed and should just be replaced instead of skimming with bog to flatten it off like I did...thought it would be alright, but its gonna look "ok", at best
did some running around today, found some better seats(just the fabric G ltd ones)
and a drivers door that came off the write off one we hacked up for the auto trans(you remember mount brutal dont you?)
ok..."yello" is not yellow, or even grey anymore....
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as you can see its white...and some of its actually pretty good/smooth finish(must have put enough thinners in...lol)
first time with a gravity feed gun, so bit of a learning curve for me
Doesnt look bad mate! Nice work there. No problems with dust coming in/on the paint? Ive seem some people doing this in their garage, but most seal off everything with plastic and use some sort of ventilation?
What gun and paint are using anyways?
Looks great Sketchy, I may have missed it but what colour are you going with???
its going back to "super bright toyota yellow"...but being yellow should go on over a white base coat.
of course its PPG dulon...like the primer and clear...as for the gun its a generic "ish" gun in the $180NZ bracket, will post pics of the gun after I go out to the shed next(running at about 35psi, and a fairly thin paint mix)
as for the paint booth thing...if your prepared to clean your shed properly, a makeshift spray booth is much more trouble than it needs to be.
if you have a proper mask, and keep doors and windows closed(so a draft doesnt bring any dust in)you can do ok:)
Im not expecting it to be a show car worthy paint job, but Id at least like it to look good, most of that comes down to things most pro's wont do(spend time on prep, Mr G's 5vz tubby is case in point, made with paitience and commitment, ensures a good result)
There is a white SW up at pick a part in Lower Hutt
doors and front guards still on it as of about a week ago.
I had heard about that one from another source on tuesday?...pity I couldnt and cant get over there to uplift parts till about saturday:(
What are you after?
could collect parts for you if you like
its a auto.
door handle surround,probably just cruddy ones anyway...and mint ones would not have lasted this long. and a power steering pump if its still there, no doubt some stock car boy has grabbed it by now though...lol
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started wet sanding the furry bits. lol
my spray gun....
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as it was too cold last night by the time I got the parts all wet sanded(didnt use enough thinners while putting on the last coat in some places, and a few runs and bumps)
I started figuring out what I was gonna do with the nice components I bought about 3 years ago, some audiobahn 3 way components(special import from the states, as they were not being releasd localy).
got a spare door card, a craft knife and a hole saw to cut a hole for the tweeter and cut the grill out of the bottom corner of the card to let the 6inch driver fit.
played with the vivid like some local tagger, drawing lines over it to show where I need to build up the door and the like, will post pics later If Im feeling enthusiastic...lol
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getting there....gonna push it outside shortly and start putting paint on the other bolt on bits....
door handle surround,probably just cruddy ones anyway...and mint ones would not have lasted this long. and a power steering pump if its still there, no doubt some stock car boy has grabbed it by now though...lol
Was up at Pick a Part last week
the white SW has turned red and
all the bits you have listed are gone
A rather misty looking last picture .
Was up at Pick a Part last week
the white SW has turned red and
all the bits you have listed are gone
A rather misty looking last picture .
its only looking misty cause there was still lots of solvent in the air...
its nasty bright now though....I knew it would be, but I was even surprised by how bright it has become with the white base coat.
only a few little bits to fix and Ill be able to put the clear coat on too...
managed to avoid getting lots of runs, and flakes sticking to the paint. and a few spots that are thin/missed(like the bottom of the sills:()
Looks the bollocks mate. :thumbsup:
Are you going to fit some skirts while you're at it? It'll make a big difference to the profile and stance.
I would...but without a front lip or lowering it looks poo:(
and if I did do that, it wouldnt make it up the drive:(
and had to delay putting the clear on....the other car(N14 pulsar lunched itself on my way to work...so Im halfway through putting a replacement SR series motor in.....)is needing more attention
got the clear on the shell...started doing other bits...as you do
the shell was looking mint...but the paint was still soft when I moved something and it struck the left rear guard and took a chucnk out of the paint, exposing the primer...
looks like I will be sanding it back to try again:(
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its getting there...just needs a few more bits bolted on, and the supported drive shaft fitted to the engine. before I put it in and wire up.
as you can probably tell..it had a black band round the sills, and the front and back
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engine is going in now..
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the completed axle/carrier obviously
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hanging on the mounts
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still gotta put the cross member in ovviously.
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even proof that my undertaking is supervised. my boss is there watching....
while I was waiting for the machining, I started work on the door cards for the new audio set up....
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ok...so yesterday I went out to the shed and did more.
just have the exhaust manifold flanges and muffler to bolt on and I can sit it on the floor again:D
put the fuel delivery and return pipes together, main coolant hoses(still have to put the heater ones in)rear crossmember and suspension is back together,selector cables hooked up too,strut brace fitted and that pain in the arse brace at the bottom thats so easy to loose:(
then its pretty much just wiring and Ill be good for a quick skid...
having a few dramas...
got spark..
no power to fuel pump....efi relay clicks.. so its getting that far at least., found the wire in the trunk it needs to connect to, will hook it up to the pin in the diagnostic port while Im at it to make life easier later:)
I have earthed the AFM aswell, DVSMR2 had issues with that too...so I did that
when I hooked the pump up to my cordless drill battery it spun up and gave me pressure, and fired while cranking with WOT...would not keep running though..
still only fires while cranking, not every time though. at least its progress. its going to run, I tell you, maybe not today, or even tomorrow. but it wont beat me.
Im thinking I crossed the wires efi/fuel pump...
as I can get the fuel pump running even when you stop cranking...may have to check the efi, so its not the intermitant hold like the pump should be....
well its doing this now....
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so its more finess, to complete, the radiator bleed valve o'ring is worn/weeping(so its pushing water out),tape up the loom.
redo the iterior(fit new carpets and make up some seat rails for my jamex reclining buckets, refit the audio)
give the exterior a bit of a cut....
so nothing really excessive, just time more than anything.
as it is now
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as it was
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So Is it up and running ?
WOFed /Certed able to be driven on the road?
Either way nice going .
its had a few sneakey road tests...as you do..looks the part so does not draw to much attention now(well as little attention as an angry sounding, bright yellow, car with a loud stereo can)
I wanna get a new battery for it. and finish fitting the under trays/inner arches. and then its give Andy Ward a call to come look at it so I can get that nice little cert plate made up.then its wof and rego time.
Looks cool Sketchy :thumbsup:. Can we have some pics of the interior, you were doing something with custom speaker mounts in the doors.
Andy Ward has retired from doing certs, shame really as he was great to deal with.
You might have to contacted VTNZ for a list of people doing them and fine a new cert guy.
Andy Ward was a bit care free personally, rather would have had Andy Osbourne sign off on it as he at least looks at things properly.
oh well..looking for a new cert guy...
have not fitted the new speakers yet, thats finess stuff....its a car I could get in and drive to work or the shops, flash audio can come a bit later:)
after talking to some people, I need to see a guy called Andy Smith from levin(what is it with guys namedAndy and certifying cars????)
has a garage up there smiths auto services or something similar:)
oh smiths auto services is just around the corner from my place, on cambridge st
hurry up and get it certed!
well that saves another job(looking it up on the net...lol). might have to come up and talk to him then. and see if he wants it trailered up, or he will come visit.will have to be next pay though.
as it turns out I dont need a new battery:),the maintenance free one died,I had another dead one(I mean really dead,died about 4 or 5 years back, didnt even bubble on charge, and when charged off the car wouldnt make much difference). I put some stuff in it called INOX,$12 and the thing works fine...holds a charge for a few days and its still holding, and still able to start the car:).kinda stoked about that.
ok...so its all assembled,even got all the plastics under the car bolted up...
cooling system is leak free, exhaust is sorted now...still a few pin holes to fix but should be ok.
so its under a car cover now...
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and something else is back in the shed finally:)
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ok...so I started to have a look at the alternate "y pipe" with 2 front manifolds fitted to the v6.
(the perks of having a spare engine to play with I guess...) anyway I fitted a spare front manifold to the rear bank, started to get some old y-pipes cut up to tack it together to see if it could work.
then figured I should check to see if it was likely to clear the drive shaft support bearing carrier(as Im running the tubby box)...(so cut another one down to close to the right size, perks of keeping odd bits:))and its really tight, I could probably do it. but there is the cross member in there aswell that adds to the restrictive nature of the job:(
Im gonna flag that idea, and Ive fixed up the old y pipe and left the normal manifolds on for now. its quiet and leak free, so it should get legal easy enough as is.
Ive got enough on my hands with one project car, cant imagine doing 2 at a time :) Have you got it legal yet, or are you waiting for some better driving weather?
until the showers today its been great driving weather...the car is just not legal yet...a bit more cash and I can take it over...its close to $700NZ I need to get it back on the road.
with the impending arrival of my first kid. and getting all the stuff we need. you know the drill...still got a bit tucked away...not quite enough though.
well, today saw the fitting of the cat,(now a certification requirement for predominantly road going vehicles)
bought it from redline performance for NZ$132ish...and thats cheap in our money for a hi-flow 2.5 inch cat:)
so its just a case of getting the car to the guy in levin who does the paperwork:)
Portgordon
29-03-2011, 11:35
This thread has really been an enjoyable read - great work.
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was supposed to go up for cert last week, but didnt get organised...now I have a pesky fault with the power steering...doesnt seem like the pump is even running:(..light goes out with key on...then comes back on a few seconds later..power at the pump too(had the meter out to check, its even got power at the brushes)
I can probably poach the one from the limo for now...but....
and while I was looking at bleeding the P/S to see if I could do the easy fix's, I notice the chassis rail round the front sway bar is ripped on the drivers side...(I patched up the passengers side years ago...)
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
/rant over....
never mind. I think i still have an sw21 PS ecu/control in the garage if its of any use.
got a spare frunk loom...spare PS system except for a pump...and then a complete system in the limo...Im not short of bits...its just a pain having to fix problems so close to the finish...
well it got certed(checked by an engineer to ensure it was safe for road use..and a little plate gets stamped with the mods)
got a WoF(biannual safety inspection)
registered
drove to work 4 days last week:D
intended to catch up with some people on the local car club run...instead think I have destroyed a piston:(
its sitting at my folks now..so will get it home this week and put the other v6 in it....
bummer...but hey like you say, stick the 'spare' in..sorted..!
I would rather be using the time to be a dad or work on the limo...but It needs fixing...
well I still have yet to finnish putting the spare into the yellow car....(hanging on 2 mounts and wired up AGAIN....just got to do the torque mounts/subframe/zorst and refit the coolant stuff and its good to go, but with the storms and the tornado we had yesterday(about 20 odd km from my house) and still having the same storm system around decided it was an inside day so stripped the old motor down)
the old motor ate the big end shell for the number 6 rod....like completely missing, no trace of it inside the rod, didnt sound like a bottom end, but thats what it was...so Ill load it into the swift, and take it down the scrap man for a few extra dollars in the kitty:D
another outside day...engine running(started first time even:)...)just gotta finish it so I can get it off the stands.....
gotta put some ball bearings back into the inner CV...
its on the ground...but sucking coolant into the plenum...got lines on wrong
lots of steam...ooops
the thing didnt really wanna go for me...had it running sweet. took it for a road test, pulling like it should...slowing at the end of the street, foot on the clutch... it stops...
wont start, siezed up...wont turn over in gear..cant rock it with it in gear. clutch in wont turn over so it wasnt gear box..
broke the 1/2 inch kincrome extension trying to tun it over with a breaker bar.
turns out the little high tensile 12mm bolts that hold the pressure plate on to the fidenza flywheel will shear off???WTF. was torqued down, not brutalised. only one sheard. but the head of the bolt was enough to jam up the flywheel and lock up the engine.
needless to say I was expecting something else, and found another engine. ripped it out of the car split off the gearbox and found that...:(
oh well...it didnt kill me, so its gotta make me stronger
well got it running ages ago...now sold...
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