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well my engine is 95% complete just the wrc charge cooler to go on, all the work from start to finish has been done at s-bits, full engine rebuild with stronger internals, then finished off with epoxy high temp paint, a pair of very tasty cams not seen in this country before, and the icing on the cake ko racing street brawler kit, est power 430--480bhp at the fly. could this be the most powerful mk1 in the country:eek2: here are some pictures will update this thread with more as it goes, many thanks peter:thumbsup:
brianbooth
21-01-2009, 22:47
pictures?
robwsurf
21-01-2009, 22:55
looking at how far that turbo sits out from manifold is it going to fit in mk1? mines got a ct26 and it s pretty close to bulkhead
robwsurf
21-01-2009, 22:56
lovely engine though
Steve-x-edge
21-01-2009, 22:58
Thats just beautiful!
Steve
peter has had his measure stick out and its very close,:fingersx: thanks chris
Thats just beautiful!
Steve
thanks steve
loadswine
21-01-2009, 23:10
Seems a shame to hide that in an engine bay. That is art!!
Paul Woods
22-01-2009, 07:24
oof.... now that looks magnificent chris,easily the most powerful mk1 in the country if it all works out ok,bet you cant wait!
o...mate, really really really really really really looking forward to it. thanks paul
about bloody time you made a thread you slacker..!!!
looking absolutely lush that is mate..:thumbsup:
whats been going on internally..? chargecooler..? cmon stop being coy..:hand:
Thats just pure SEX,hope it fits !
Gary Symons
22-01-2009, 13:06
Looking good there :thumbsup:
Any chance of a measurement to gauge how far back that turbo setup is?
Ideally a straight edge placed on the cam cover and a measurement taken from the cover edge to the furthest extent of the turbo.
So when are we going to see this in the car then :popcorn:
what are the shaft angles like out of interest..
I'd not like to meet that on a dual carriageway ... in any of my cars!!
*checks for turbo alternatives - possible GT4094R for sale lol"
dgh938peg
22-01-2009, 16:28
Lovely looking lump, we share the same taste in vernier pulleys!
about bloody time you made a thread you slacker..!!!
looking absolutely lush that is mate..:thumbsup:
whats been going on internally..? chargecooler..? cmon stop being coy..:hand:
ok then, internals 86.5 je pistons, eagale rods, race bearings, polished head, reground valves, hks cam belt, fidanza cam gears, gt3076 turbo and tial waste gate, and yet to be put on a wrc charge cooler, a very rare beast,
Looking good there :thumbsup:
Any chance of a measurement to gauge how far back that turbo setup is?
Ideally a straight edge placed on the cam cover and a measurement taken from the cover edge to the furthest extent of the turbo.
So when are we going to see this in the car then :popcorn:
will get some measurements to you soon, i shall be on my prayer matt until the engine is in:pray:, car should be on the road next weekend
peterguk
22-01-2009, 23:21
i shall be on my prayer mat until the engine is in:pray:, car should be on the road next weekend
You're not the only one... :idea:
Peter
SBITS
You're not the only one... :idea:
Peter
SBITS
is there somthing your hiding ???????
peterguk
22-01-2009, 23:36
is there somthing your hiding ???????
Nope... But every night i dream of the Tardis... And think of your engine bay... lol
Nope... But every night i dream of the Tardis... And think of your engine bay... lol
but your the doctor, make it happen !lol
Gary Symons
23-01-2009, 07:51
will get some measurements to you soon, i shall be on my prayer matt until the engine is in:pray:, car should be on the road next weekend
Many Thanks, I am not planning on going that big but it would be nice to know how much room I have to play with.
http://www.toyotaownersclub.com/gallery/albums/Misc/huge_turbo.jpg
picture of the wrc charge cooler, on a trial fitment1021
robwsurf
23-01-2009, 22:45
this rare wrc charge cooler keep hearing people talk about them but how can you tell the differnece between a wrc spec one and the normal ones are there any identifying marks? or internal differences to tell them apart
looking stunning by the way but that turbo looks a long way back if it fit in the bay at all with out mods to bulkhead dont thing it ll fit in without taking it off first to get engine in as its tight getting a standard 3sgte with turbo on in
Definitely. That mounting "nub" which the torque mount bolts too will be a pain in your tits.
Or rather, Peter's tits. lol
peterguk
23-01-2009, 23:38
this rare wrc charge cooler keep hearing people talk about them but how can you tell the differnece between a wrc spec one and the normal ones are there any identifying marks? or internal differences to tell them apart
Larger core is the easy identifying feature, which makes it about 15mm taller.
dont thing it ll fit in without taking it off first to get engine in as its tight getting a standard 3sgte with turbo on in
Because of the lack of room in the engine bay, we are "dry building" the whole engine, including loom, pipes, hoses and all ancilleries.
It will then be carefully dismantled, and reassembled in the engine bay piece by piece, overcoming any ummmm, fitment issues on the way.
I have to be thankful that Chris's enthusiasm, quest for perfection and patience matches mine... It's taken some time to get to where we are, and when it's built, we get to take it all apart again... Except to add to the fun, instead of working on the engine stand we'll be in the engine bay.
Any gynecologists around??
I met a gynaecologist last week. I said to him :
"Hope you don't mind me asking you a personal question.....but what do you look for in a woman?"
peterguk
23-01-2009, 23:55
I met a gynaecologist last week. I said to him :
"Hope you don't mind me asking you a personal question.....but what do you look for in a woman?"
Old ones are always the best!
I met one recently too.. Told me he'd had a week off decorating his hallway... Through the letterbox...
I like it, lol
What's happening with the gear cables and the fuel vap lines that run up the middle of the front firewall, are you re-routing them?
robwsurf
24-01-2009, 00:06
so if its 15mm thicker whats that in total , just asking as i ve got one and a few people have told me its a wrc but i m not sure, could you measure yours?
peterguk
24-01-2009, 00:09
What's happening with the gear cables and the fuel vap lines that run up the middle of the front firewall, are you re-routing them?
Gear cables staying, as without them, going fast may prove tricky :mrgreen:.
Fuel vap lines disappearing. Apart from the two filler tubes, there will only be the two vent tubes from the tank, tee'ed into one, and terminated in a rollover valve for safety.
so if its 15mm thicker whats that in total , just asking as i ve got one and a few people have told me its a wrc but i m not sure, could you measure yours?
I'll get it measured next week.
robwsurf
24-01-2009, 08:30
cheers thanks for that
Gear cables staying, as without them, going fast may prove tricky :mrgreen:.
Smart arse lol Could have one very long gear. Oh that's right Tubbys have no torque lower down :P
What am referring too is the fact the gear cables come through the bulkhead quite near to where that huge turbo is gonna be sitting. Queue melted gear cables the 1st time it's run up to temp.
Special sheathing? Re-routed cables? Electronic Auto gear box? :mrgreen:
robwsurf
24-01-2009, 09:32
that thing is going to be mental when its finished what size wheels and tyres are you running on it ? you fitting wider arches?
that thing is going to be mental when its finished what size wheels and tyres are you running on it ? you fitting wider arches?
no wide archers, not yet anyway ! 215-40-17 rear 205-40-17 front yoko prada tyres, ground control coil overs, and i think that large spoiler to keep it all plantedlol
robwsurf
24-01-2009, 10:10
ive got 215 40 17s on mine and in dry its good with my power level which is about 260ish maybe think you ll have and interesting drive ! but with that power think you ll be spinning the wheels alot
ive got 215 40 17s on mine and in dry its good with my power level which is about 260ish maybe think you ll have and interesting drive ! but with that power think you ll be spinning the wheels alot
you have now entered the twilight zone, where anything is possible insight and in mind, doo doo doo do:tease:
robwsurf
24-01-2009, 23:11
cant wait to see it fly! well maybe wheelie lol
It's only now sinking in how quick this is going to be.
Grand chief. Just grand. :)
It's only now sinking in how quick this is going to be.
Grand chief. Just grand. :)
definitley taking it down the drag strip this year, once i get it mapped, just got a blitz twin solenoid boost controller to go with the power fc i had, maybe put nitrous oxide on it if i get bored 8O8O8O must be in the tens with this:cool:
definitley taking it down the drag strip this year, once i get it mapped, just got a blitz twin solenoid boost controller to go with the power fc i had, maybe put nitrous oxide on it if i get bored 8O8O8O must be in the tens with this:cool:
For what you're spending on this mate, I think you'd be nuts if you never went with an ECU capable of controlling the boost rather than having it in two separate units.
AEM + Closed Loop Boost Control = safety!
your right johnny, buttttttt my pockets have gone dry, for the minute, buttttt would you have price, for the set up for the future thanks chris
your right johnny, buttttttt my pockets have gone dry, for the minute, buttttt would you have price, for the set up for the future thanks chris
Well, I'd be straight on the phone to Ryan @ 2bar about an AEM/Solaris unit - he can provide the unit, harness and mapping.
peterguk
25-01-2009, 18:32
I agree with Chris. Get it going with what he has. PowerFC + DSBC is a sound base to start with.
There are plenty of ECU choices out there for later upgrades..
I agree with Chris. Get it going with what he has. PowerFC + DSBC is a sound base to start with.
There are plenty of ECU choices out there for later upgrades..
look at raising some cash later, doctor.. how much for scrap for a cyberman:hehe:
ukpaisley
25-01-2009, 19:49
i dont see a problem with a boost control, as long as its set up and the the Apexi is mapped for it. Its the norm way to do it, takes the processing load of the ECU, as long as the ECU knows what boost u are at via map sensor, no problem. Also gives you control on the boost, to fine tune it for diff fuel grades 96, or 99 ron !
i dont see a problem with a boost control, as long as its set up and the the Apexi is mapped for it. Its the norm way to do it, takes the processing load of the ECU, as long as the ECU knows what boost u are at via map sensor, no problem. Also gives you control on the boost, to fine tune it for diff fuel grades 96, or 99 ron !
older ecu's maybe - but not current ones.
peterguk
25-01-2009, 22:22
PowerFC is known for not being able to control high boost well... It was mine and Ryan's advice to leave controlling boost to a dedicated boost controller.
:dance: it fitssssssssss, :thumbsup::thumbsup: with at least inch and a half to two in clearance, only the tial waste gate to alter, f**k yes, i am happy once again many thanks peter and anthony,:thumbsup:1037
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Gary Symons
30-01-2009, 19:34
I guess you are a little relieved then :thumbsup:
I hope you have plenty of spare underwear when you take this down the road for the first time lol
i dont do drugs, but going to need a brave pill or four,rotflmao
ukpaisley
30-01-2009, 19:49
I used a Apexi AVCR for a while, great boost control and it was config so that i had less boost in the first two gears !. I would rec any time. Its a quite big tho'. Still love the Apexi ECU's as cheep and plug and play ! about £600 I think.
Love the finish and quality of the build !
peterguk
30-01-2009, 19:55
I guess you are a little relieved then :thumbsup:
Chris isn't the only one!
Yep, only the wastegate to re-position and it will be a perfect fit.
All going to plan.
robwsurf
30-01-2009, 20:06
i m surprised to be honest that it fits! but very pleased for you! cant wait to see it in action!
Brilliant news!
Looks not a bad fit at all, glad you've moved those breathers, how close are the gear cables? Just going to need some aluminium sheathing?
Christ this is going to be a bit scary.
peterguk
30-01-2009, 20:45
Gear cables emerge under the compressor housing, but for reliability they will be Goodridge Firesleeve'd, as will anything else in the vicinity.
Wastegate and pipework will be redesigned to join the downpipe on the O/S where there is plenty of room due to lack of air-con compressor.
Good, good.
I want to see this tearing up 1/4 miles, tracks and b-roads for a very long time!
thats looking superb !
make sure if your are going to drag this beast that you have a few spare drive shafts/outer CV's and gearbox's knocking about.
what cluch you going to be using?
peterguk
31-01-2009, 13:13
thats looking superb !
make sure if your are going to drag this beast that you have a few spare drive shafts/outer CV's and gearbox's knocking about.
We are working on a solution to driveshaft/outer CVs..
If all goes to plan we will need no spares...
We are working on a solution to driveshaft/outer CVs..
If all goes to plan we will need no spares...
nice one ,hope it's a mod we can all copy and use ! lol
thats looking superb !
what cluch you going to be using?
hi stu, spec, stage 2 uprated clutch, thanks chris
all painted and ready to go back in its home1052
got some wide big boys today, should help with traction.http://s580.photobucket.com/albums/ss245/toffermr2/
GregHoon
15-03-2009, 00:11
Whoa mamma! What width are we talking front and back on them?
Greg
215 40 17 front 265 40 17 et12 rear and a set of pauls wide arches:thumbsup:
bbarnumboy
15-03-2009, 01:29
veyr nice lets see them arches on :-)
Superleggeras and Toyo Proxes?
rota torque in gunmetal finish.......
You might want to get some R888's on the back :)
do you know anything about mickey thompson et street radial tyres ???
I don't mate. I don't get the whole buzz around the drag strip events - well, I do, but not to the point of fitting dedicated drag strip tyres.
Give me some R888's and a twisty road :)
http://www.driftworks.co.uk/catalog/images/large/TorqueDriftBronze.jpg
Nice looking wheels squire :thumbsup:
So do we have an on the road date yet? Or a rough idea?
give me a week when i get the car back and i have no tread left, me thinks it may have a strong appetite for RUBBER,:cry:
So do we have an on the road date yet? Or a rough idea?[/QUOTE]
couple of weeks yet waiting for the hub conversion to come together mate:pray::pray:
give me a week when i get the car back and i have no tread left, me thinks it may have a strong appetite for RUBBER,:cry:
Traction Control?
no traction control yet.. am practising for national gurning championship:nuts:
Or the national ditch finding championships!
TAKE IT VERY EASY ON THE ROAD!
will do johnny, and thankyou:thumbsup:
will do johnny, and thankyou:thumbsup:
No worries mate. I'll be following my own advice fairly soon. But in saying that, I'll have the ECU (http://www.solaris-ecs.co.uk/s6gp.php) sorting out Traction and Launch Control :)
Do you really need traction control?
Howsabout just learning to drive right lol
Do you really need traction control?
Howsabout just learning to drive right lol
i do have a trick up my sleeve, i am a articulated hgv driver for 15 years, and i can power slide my 12 litre 600bhp volvo tractor unit :hehe::hehe: . nuff said i think
Fair play squire. The comment was in jest (feel like i have to point that out these days).
Have you had the engine dyno'd yet? Would be good to see a power graph for this thing.
GregHoon
15-03-2009, 13:59
Those fronts are wider than my rears lol. Should cope i'd have thought. Still looking forward to seeing how she performs :)
Fair play squire. The comment was in jest (feel like i have to point that out these days).
Have you had the engine dyno'd yet? Would be good to see a power graph for this thing.
it was taken in jest fella, like me like you i dont realy want this car to be a three pin plug, just a drivers car, car not back from peters yet ...:sad: then i have to run it in for 600 to 800 mile its along way off yet. bummer
it was taken in jest fella, like me like you i dont realy want this car to be a three pin plug, just a drivers car, car not back from peters yet ...:sad: then i have to run it in for 600 to 800 mile its along way off yet. bummer
Just go from yours to the Scottish Border - and back... twice. That'll just about do it :)
hi Chris,
I'm not sure if i have missed this bit but what you thinking of doing about intercooling ?
cheers
Stu.
also as far as traction issues go i,ve run around 400bhp though the back tires of P without any issues
you kinda know your on the limit when the your lighting the rear up lol it tends to stop the car understeering
as far as standing starts go you'll break somthing before the wheels spin.
if it's wet then its a hole new ball game ,but you would know that anyway.
:shades:
hi Chris,
I'm not sure if i have missed this bit but what you thinking of doing about intercooling ?
cheers
Stu.
also as far as traction issues go i,ve run around 400bhp though the back tires of P without any issues
you kinda know your on the limit when the your lighting the rear up lol it tends to stop the car understeering
as far as standing starts go you'll break somthing before the wheels spin.
if it's wet then its a hole new ball game ,but you would know that anyway.
:shades:
400bhp? Jesus, I've missed some reading here? What turbo is that with mate?
Got a dyno plot to show the delivery? 400bhp smoothly delivered is better than 350bhp at a bang.
What ECU did you go for in the end mate?
400bhp? Jesus, I've missed some reading here? What turbo is that with mate?
Got a dyno plot to show the delivery? HP smoothly delivered is better than 350bhp at a bang.
What ECU did you go for in the end mate?
sorry Johnny don't want to disappoint you to much but thats just the ct26 hybrid running running 100shot of nitrous,so I'm going on my rolling road figure of 289.9 bhp and and 100shot of nitrous,apparently WON systems always put out more bhp than the size of jets your ruining so i think its fair to say I've had 400bhp.
i do have to introduce the gas in stages though,so you are right about smooth delivery.
as for management ,yeah I'd probably go for who ever maps the car recommends,I've been recommend 2bartuning and an AEM or solaris management system(think thats how you spell it)
but all i was trying to say was how good the traction is in a mk1.5 tbh.
Ahh no worries mate. Just saw 400bhp and didn't remember much inbetween :)
If you're going for an ECU, speak to Ryan @ 2bar and get a Solaris. They're not cheap, but they're the best on the market at the moment - by miles. I've got one going on the Supra and on the '2.
Ahh no worries mate. Just saw 400bhp and didn't remember much inbetween :)
If you're going for an ECU, speak to Ryan @ 2bar and get a Solaris. They're not cheap, but they're the best on the market at the moment - by miles. I've got one going on the Supra and on the '2.
yeah looks like this could be the route we are going with the TRD as well.
[QUOTE=Stu;183513]hi Chris,
I'm not sure if i have missed this bit but what you thinking of doing about intercooling ?
cheers
Stu.
hi stu. will be running a rare wrc chargecooler, the one with an extra two cores
and strengthening plates welded on the inside to stop it ballooning under boost, am hoping for 450bhp:nuts::nuts: chris
Stu.
hi stu. will be running a rare wrc chargecooler, the one with an extra two cores
and strengthening plates welded on the inside to stop it ballooning under boost, am hoping for 450bhp:nuts::nuts: chris
nice one,does the charge cooler sit over the engine (like the ST205 charge coolers)or is it going in the boot? or somewhere else lol
robwsurf
17-03-2009, 18:05
same as the st205 over engine
bbarnumboy
17-03-2009, 20:11
exciting :-)
GregHoon
17-03-2009, 20:49
Surely the over - engine position of the charge cooler will mean less turbo lag as there is less air volume between the turbo and the throttle body? Which obviously is a bonus. And why a large(r) intercooler means more lag? Am i correct?
Greg.
what you running on yours greg........
GregHoon
17-03-2009, 22:10
I'm just running the stock intercooler. Situated in the boot. I think it's the stock one anyway. Small one with a fan lol
Greg
Surely the over - engine position of the charge cooler will mean less turbo lag as there is less air volume between the turbo and the throttle body? Which obviously is a bonus. And why a large(r) intercooler means more lag? Am i correct?
Greg.
i suppose it depends on how long or short the pipework is as well, i think!! have heard you get an extra 20bhp if you fit the charge cooler alone,
GregHoon
17-03-2009, 22:47
Without the neccesary water plumbing you mean? Yeah the air must need compressing and the more volume in the cooling stage the more air has to be thrust in to produce the same pressure. I will have to brush up on my physics lol.
How far is the car from up and running now? Bet you can't wait, it'll be a monster.
or mate on medication at the minute for anxiety attacks, cant bloody wait, then i will finish off the body work, ie arches and full respray, that brew and a chat still on the table..... chris
GregHoon
17-03-2009, 23:34
or mate on medication at the minute for anxiety attacks,
Haha. It'll be worth don't worry. Mine beats everything i've come up against so far so your's will be mind blowing.
that brew and a chat still on the table..... chris
Yeah i'm still up for that. PM me for when you'd like to meet.
its coming together,slowly but surely.. some nimbus lite heat shield cut and shaped,1090
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just an update, peter and antony have been working hard to overcome a problem or two. here' a picky can you guess what it is ????????1094
The TRD oil cap?
They're a bastard to fit.
go to the back of the class you bad boyrotflmao sorry you are dipping in the wrong place !!!!!!!!!
peterguk
02-04-2009, 21:53
Chargecooler?
Nope. in a way, Olie was closer... Look at the pic carefully...
I know what it is, was only jesting.
It's something that also effects Mk1.6 swaps too.
It's a Mk1?
I didn't think it was THAT obvious :)
lol Fair play on that one.
Put it this way Johnny, they've relocated you to a new position.
ok ok ok lets cool this down a bit..:thumbsup:1095 during the fitment of this rad there was a fatality, my grinder, are well the show must go onlollol
That's not a rad...that's a spaceship!
this is a pwr radiator for the mk2 mr2, 1st problem too wide, no match for the grinder, god rest his soul.. 2nd needed to extend the front bar the rad sits on, done. 3rd both inlet and outlet on the rad are at the top pipes to make for that, 4th temp sender wire too short, sorted by antony, thanks.. 5th needed top rad brackets from the mk2 then needed adjusting to fit hope this helps anyone...:):)
Update, K&N air filter now fits snug into the n/s wheel arch, fuel filler now sits just inside the boot,1098
GregHoon
14-04-2009, 21:13
That looks the business. Surely will get lots of positive pressure at speed. Awesome!
next brand new bosch water pump 0392022002 for the charge cooler fitted with pipes to suit,1101
looking good ! when you aiming to get it on the road?
thanks stu, this weekend hopefully...:fingersx::fingersx:
Good luck, should be awesome.
o so nearly there, could shit a brick in anticipation in how this will travel when it has been mapped,1106
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Who's mapping it for you, Toffs?
have a friend of a friend who has a RR in Nottingham, dont know the name but seems to have a good reputation, i HOPE.
apexi power fc and a blitz boost controler..
Looks good. Just one thing, those clear pipes on the CC, careful with how they're routed, they can be a bastard for kinking.
On tenderhooks here :popcorn:
got it all in hand mate, as per peter perfectionist 90 deg silicone hose will do the job...
I had a nose at your car over the weekend, looking impressive - will be scary fast in that mk1!
I had a nose at your car over the weekend, looking impressive - will be scary fast in that mk1!
Welcome squire :)
You made it off IMOC-CHAT ok then?
I'll have to create an XoP subforum now ;)
Welcome squire :)
You made it off IMOC-CHAT ok then?
I'll have to create an XoP subforum now ;)
Ahh, 'tis the man of many torques ;)
Polish your shoes Sir?
This place doesn't have the stiles to handle XoP related content, people aren't ready for that level of power/exotica...
This place doesn't have the stiles to handle XoP related content, people aren't ready for that level of power/exotica...
Are you kidding? There's Mk1's here lol
I had a nose at your car over the weekend, looking impressive - will be scary fast in that mk1!
cheers mate, thinking of taking jedi training will need the force or somthing to master this:pray::pray:
its ALIVE. rolls out for an MOT today......1108
Oooh! Best of luck mate!
Once that's passed, there's no stopping you! :)
look what came back to me, 800 miles to run in know[:( then i can get it mapped:twisted: in the meantime rear arch kit and plenty of painting to 1110
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GregHoon
10-05-2009, 22:03
Congrats man. Excited for you!
Woohoo! Can't wait to see this thing in the metal. :)
looking good i like the bonet vent and the quad lights,you got the bonet vented though the bulkhead?
what colour you painting the car ?
forgot to ask how you finding the charge cooler,i was surprised at how cold they get,you got a swirl pot and header tank fitted to it??
looking good i like the bonet vent and the quad lights,you got the bonet vented though the bulkhead?
what colour you painting the car ?
hi stu, yes bulkhead wide open, dont know about anybody else but i can really tell the difference with this mod.... how can i say less air flow restriction, feels quicker off the mark, going to paint the car white with a black bonnet, charge cooler no header tank or swirl pot, works fine for me, had a st205 charge cooler on before this is must have mod.no lag at all, got myself a rare wrc charge cooler with a couple of extra rows of cooling fins and strengthening bars insde to stop it ballooning under pressure...
well and truly pissed off the car was not ready for santapod, the rear hub conversion put a stop to this, was my 40th on the saturday had planned it since the work had started on the car:rant: has taken me over a week to find my dummy and my teddy that i threw out. SORRY to everyone i did not meet at the strip. spent that weekend chopping and fitting my arches http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/06/1.jpg?t=1246307420
EDIT:added tags to your link chris
snowtigger
29-06-2009, 21:57
i also spat my dummy out on the sunday at santa pod after going home at 4:30 and the engine seizing up at 4:35 then waiting 2 and a half hours for the recovery wagon to turn up then midnight when i got home argh.
hope your rear hubs are coming soon, are you going to jae or the next santa pod bash?.
yea the hubs are imminent, put me down for both jae and santapod the wheels look great on your car snowy:thumbsup:
bbarnumboy
30-06-2009, 00:00
what are you doing for the hub conversion...care to tell in detail?
what are you doing for the hub conversion...care to tell in detail?
hi, the conversion is to have a fully working mk2 turbo hub to except the mk2 turbo outer cv joint, no more snapping cv joints for me
bbarnumboy
30-06-2009, 02:16
i would like to see how you went about hooking this up
Paul Woods
30-06-2009, 07:26
You are making a lovely job of the arches chris, looks spot on that does!
Holy Christ! I've only just seen this thread!!!
450bhp in a MkI?? You're mental lad! :nuts:
That car will do a 10 second quarter no problem, but as Stu mentioned, try to get hold of some R888's. Normal road tyres (Toyo or otherwise) will be completely useless on that thing! My MkII did an 11.72 on Toyo T1-R road tyres, but they were still spinning all the way through 2nd gear. And that was with just 11psi in them to try and get some grip!
My motor was built with a very similar set up (chargecooled), and made 452 bhp @ 7800 and 360 ft/lb @ 5600 and it scared the living shit outta me when Dave Rowe and I were mapping it.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/06/187.jpg
You should think about entering TOTB with that! It would be fantastic to see a MkI slay a few Skylines and Supras :shades:
All the very best buddy,
Earl
snowtigger
30-06-2009, 13:30
Wait till us 2gr lot start playing with our mk1s instant 400+bhp with no turbo spool issues.
That car will do a 10 second quarter no problem, but as Stu mentioned, try to get hold of some R888's. Normal road tyres (Toyo or otherwise) will be completely useless on that thing! My MkII did an 11.72 on Toyo T1-R road tyres, but they were still spinning all the way through 2nd gear. And that was with just 11psi in them to try and get some grip!
My motor was built with a very similar set up (chargecooled), and made 452 bhp @ 7800 and 360 ft/lb @ 5600 and it scared the living shit outta me when Dave Rowe and I were mapping it.
Oh my ... that's making me feel a little scared about mine!
You should think about entering TOTB with that! It would be fantastic to see a MkI slay a few Skylines and Supras :shades:
Definitely. I'd be scared of taking him on!
You are making a lovely job of the arches chris, looks spot on that does!
cheers, thanks paul
well it left s-bits yestarday with the first rear hub conversion of its kind, thats mk2 turbo outer cv joints, hows that then you may ask, i dont know, but what i do know these will be offered to you all as a kit from woodsport:thumbsup: hear are some pictures, prep, paint and mapping to come, suspension needs to be adjusted but i have coilover sleaves from ground - control in the stateshttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/228.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/229.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/230.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/231.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/232.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/233.jpg
Is that a 4 stud front and a 5 stud rear?
peterguk
23-08-2009, 20:17
Is that a 4 stud front and a 5 stud rear?
Not sure if Chris has permanent acess to the interweb..
Yep, 4 stud front and 5 stud rear. To do with his choice of wheels IIRC.
Paul will be offering 4 stud and 5 stud hub conversions.
GregHoon
24-08-2009, 00:14
The car is coming on nicely chris. I think you have chosen just the right mods to have fitted too. The air intake on the side, i'd have thought, will make a significant improvement! :)
Not sure if Chris has permanent acess to the interweb..
Yep, 4 stud front and 5 stud rear. To do with his choice of wheels IIRC.
Paul will be offering 4 stud and 5 stud hub conversions.
It's good news that both types will be offered. I think people may want to have four studs all round so it is easy to sell on the wheels as sets etc or for those whom already have wheels ready to go on. In the advent of the 2GR swaps now too, the hub conversion is going to become a must!
looking good (y)
i can't believe how wide the back end looks in this pic:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/231.jpg
can't wait to see this go down th e strip,will shock a few people for sure!
you bothering to put a spoiler on the boot lid?
GregHoon
24-08-2009, 13:26
I think removing the boot spoiler has given the illusion of making the rear look wider. Like Stu said. It's like the American style!
Are you going for a large high-line spoiler to give real downforce?
I think the WS Widearches with no spoiler really do have that effect.
No spoiler on a Mk1, 2 or 3 will give downforce unless it's like the Bomex drift wing, which is behind the car - it's because of the flow of the air over and under the car.
Concentrate on a flat underside to increase the speed and decrease the turbulence of the air underneath. that will then naturally give you a lower air pressure under the car and therefore suck you down and provide not-so-much downforce as less lift.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/05/125.jpg
You've got to love a woodsport widearch rear end!
GregHoon
24-08-2009, 14:34
Ollie, that is one gorgeous car! What size rear toyo's you running there?
yeah I've rocked the spoiler less look for a few years now!
woodsport arches look the business,although i think you lose the sleeper look of the mk1 lol
Ollie what on earth is going on with that transporter !
Cheers Greg, she's been off the road since April/may so I am loving driving her at the moment.. despite putting in £20 petrol every day since last Monday!!
Rear tyres are 225/40's .. and I needs new set!
Stu.. the trailer was fecked.. proper fecked! lol
snowtigger
24-08-2009, 15:05
Same size rears as mine do you have spacers on the rear or are your wheels deep dished.
Same size rears as mine do you have spacers on the rear or are your wheels deep dished.
no spacers on mine mate!
But it does have a feck off large dish!
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/247.jpg
GregHoon
24-08-2009, 15:30
yeah I've rocked the spoiler less look for a few years now!
woodsport arches look the business,although i think you lose the sleeper look of the mk1 lol
Ollie what on earth is going on with that transporter !
Yes that is true. Some of the best body modifications lose you the spoiler look of the car which i realy like. But alas i'd take performance improvements over the suprise factor. The car is for me not everyone else :). Just like the fact it can do much more than it looks like it can.
Cheers Greg, she's been off the road since April/may so I am loving driving her at the moment.. despite putting in £20 petrol every day since last Monday!!
Rear tyres are 225/40's .. and I needs new set!
Stu.. the trailer was fecked.. proper fecked! lol
They are simply awesome. Mine rinks fuel too lol. But it is worth it ten times over i think :)
snowtigger
24-08-2009, 15:34
Are they 10inches on the back?.
when I get the woodsplurt treatment I will have to get some deep dish 5 stud rears, same as toffer untill then will stick with the wheels I've got, loving the silver and lusting after the gunmetal grey.
Can't wait till the 2gr is in and I can go up against you turbo boys up the strip.
And my finger is absolutley killing me greg thanks for asking.
GregHoon
24-08-2009, 15:38
And my finger is absolutley killing me greg thanks for asking.
People will get the wrong idea mate.
Are they 10inches on the back?.
9" rears tiggs!
snowtigger
24-08-2009, 15:43
Well the petrol station boy was eyeing you up Brutus beefcake you just need a golds gym top now and a night out in anal street.
Loving the size of those tires ollie that grey car looks well nice be nice to see it at jae.
Cheers mate, dont look to close, you'll see all the dodgy bits (i'm not joking!)
!
you bothering to put a spoiler on the boot lid?[/QUOTE] stu
Hi stu, yea got a large two tier spoiler to go onhttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/256.jpg
robwsurf
25-08-2009, 23:29
hmmm looks abit to curvy for my mk1 tastes
looks almost like a rev 5 spoiler.. ish
snowtigger
26-08-2009, 00:03
Is that a celica gts spoiler?.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/257.jpg
?
snowtigger
26-08-2009, 00:12
Try the 180 bhp gen7.
I'm no seeing it am afraid Tiggs, have you got a picture?
snowtigger
26-08-2009, 00:18
Very hard to find decent piccys of the rare 180bhp I thought it was gt or gts will have a dig around when ive fired up the pc as I'm on my iPhone in bed haha.
Stu.. the trailer was fecked.. proper fecked! lol
I also had the pleasure of borrowing that trailer...it cost me £500 repairs to the tow car I borrowed cos it snaked at 45 mph on the M25!!
Very hard to find decent piccys of the rare 180bhp I thought it was gt or gts will have a dig around when ive fired up the pc as I'm on my iPhone in bed haha.
Hmm, do you mean the 2zz'd 190BHP one?
And is it a TRD wing you're thinking of?
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/01/153.jpg
snowtigger
26-08-2009, 00:22
That looks like the ticket olber mate, now I just need it photo shoping onto my mk1 in carbonfibre black.
Aye i mentioned it to Paul a while ago for his Caster Semenya Mk1.
Reckon it'd suit that to a T.
Is that a celica gts spoiler?.
Hi mike, came off a chavs mazda 323,was in a bit of a state , a bargain for £25 on ebay:banana:
GregHoon
27-08-2009, 16:01
Chavtastic bargain there chris.
Hi all, just finished painting a couple of hours ago, had to put the spoiler on to see how it would look ??????? flat and polish to come, sorry for the picture qualityhttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/09/22.jpg
Gary Symons
05-09-2009, 21:39
Excellent, all set for jae then?
Excellent, all set for jae then?
O yes:thumbsup: wanted to get it mapped before but just dont have the time,
GregHoon
05-09-2009, 22:03
Looking awesome there Chris!! Great work. Will be a standout car at JAE. Am looking forwards to seeing it again.
the world needs more mk1s..looking forward to seeing this one..
plenty of flatting off, one or four to runs to cure, but getting therehttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/09/27.jpg
wreckerkid
04-10-2009, 21:22
Boys and girls i have a very big confession i simon,toffers better lookin brother did test drive the one and only two brutal space shuttle and it scared the shite out of me!!!!!! There i said now can i go change my pants now mummy
GregHoon
04-10-2009, 21:34
That's cracking!!! Envy your test drive mate. Will have to try hard to twist chris's arm for a go :whistle:
Superb stuff - we demand videos!
wreckerkid
04-10-2009, 21:49
Mummy says im grounded for a week ,n the vid is goin to be done very soon boys and girls
GregHoon
04-10-2009, 22:47
Wicked. Can't wait.
wreckerkid
12-10-2009, 13:33
only a little one sorry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a-S6zuu1H4
GregHoon
12-10-2009, 14:44
That is one loud BOV lol. Seems to be a real kick from the turbo in one go yeah?
More vids please :)
wreckerkid
13-10-2009, 11:15
very loud greg and when its comes on chat you know about!!! oh and its only on the fairy setting, soon to be on the very scary setting so more vids to come.
GregHoon
13-10-2009, 11:50
Look forward to them. It's always hard to get a feel of acceleration from a vid inside the car but i could tell it got a bit mental when the turbo kicked in haha!!
Good that the car is near completion now.
ukpaisley
14-10-2009, 21:00
Can I ask , or will say when u are next out get someone else to look at the boost and see when u are at 1 Bar ?? u look at the road lol
looking at making a long vid of the car with greghoon's help all done a private road honest :)
GregHoon
15-10-2009, 21:01
I know a place near me. Safe, straight, privately owned and no pedestrian footways :)
snowtigger
15-10-2009, 23:34
But how long is it.
I don't think your mothers drive was that long.
GregHoon
16-10-2009, 00:05
Shut it tiggs
I know a place near me. Safe, straight, privately owned and no pedestrian footways :)
Do you think Manchester Airport will mind closing for the day?
GregHoon
16-10-2009, 11:35
Haha, good point Si.
bbarnumboy
19-01-2010, 04:32
must see more!
sorry people have had a few bits to do, a couple of months ago had the car mapped and its first dyno run made 410bhp @1.45 bar wanted to run this for a bit so not to over stress the engine too soon , hopefully on the next dyno session it should see maybe 460bhp but would love to make the magic 500bhp with other supporting mod, http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/04/128.jpghttp://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/04/129.jpg
bbarnumboy
15-04-2010, 02:14
excellent numbers!
tarmactrr
15-04-2010, 07:08
good numbers. I heard you had a powerful Mk1.5 :)
cheers guys...mine is a daily driver to work and back, and you could probably vouch for this, at this state of tune but what a blast, i use to have a wrinkled face but no more completely gone , instant face lift, hyper car territory me thinks..........have you done any 1/4 mile drags??
well done mate, i'm proud of a fellow yorkshireman for being mad enough to have a 400 +hp commuter!
theres nothing quite like giving it full acceleration up a really steep hill... my lightened RX7 was fun enough doing that with 320hp
well done mate, i'm proud of a fellow yorkshireman for being mad enough to have a 400 +hp commuter!
theres nothing quite like giving it full acceleration up a really steep hill... my lightened RX7 was fun enough doing that with 320hp
cheers spook.....mad as a yorkshire hatter if your ever near wakefiled anytime come to my tea party and i'll take you for a spin
tarmactrr
15-04-2010, 21:34
cheers guys...mine is a daily driver to work and back, and you could probably vouch for this, at this state of tune but what a blast, i use to have a wrinkled face but no more completely gone , instant face lift, hyper car territory me thinks..........have you done any 1/4 mile drags??
I haven't yet. I'm going to go out and play with the Vbox this weekend so I'll have some early numbers on what kind of trap speed it will do. I'm sure the times won't be that accurate.
cheers spook.....mad as a yorkshire hatter if your ever near wakefiled anytime come to my tea party and i'll take you for a spin
would love to take you up on that offer, let me get my scooby sold and an mr2 bought then I am a card carrying member for starters ...
wish you lot would stop turning out these mk1s cos looking at them is like illicit sex, you cant get enough!
Hi all, been away again for a bit..........but come back with some more good news, purchased a water methanol kit from a imoc member, simon at yvs performance near leeds fitted this for me, with no problems at ALL, then it was given to another top bloke mat @ the racing line in halifax, which after 3hrs of mapping it made 458 bhp, but mat was not happy he said it had more, so we did a calculation based on the injector duty, then we took it on the road with laptop in hand to see what it could really do, [ and what a ride, just a blur :icon_twisted::icon_twisted:] came back sat down with a coffee and a calculator , all the calculations taken fron r c fueling and it made ...................drum roll please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 508 bhp @1.8 bar :nuts::nuts::nuts: many thank to simon and mat
wow 500bhp! Is this the most powerful mk1 in the UK?
snowtigger
21-07-2010, 14:54
That's a pretty amazing figure is that I would be well chuffed if I had broken the 400 bhp barrier, but out of a 2.0 turbo that's some good going, more than a match for most supercars and a few hypercars, that's going to be hard to beat until Paul slaps two turbos or a supercharger on his v8, and don't forget mr podges v8 twin turbo.
Almost makes you wonder how much bhp is needed in a mk1?
508 bhp......... yeah you really need to stop and take that in lol,get that baby down the drag strip !
snowtigger
21-07-2010, 21:36
Is it hard getting the methanol water mix right and do you have a warning when it's about to run out?
Can't wait for the end of this year jae whith some fantastic cars and old friends.
out of the B's and into the G's ! cor thats got to be mildy economical off boost for a low comp 2.0?
Is it hard getting the methanol water mix right and do you have a warning when it's about to run out?
Can't wait for the end of this year jae whith some fantastic cars and old friends. Hi mike, not hard at all just 50% water 50% methanol mix, the tank i have holds i think about 3ltrs, more than enough to keep an eye on, there is a adjustable pressure switch i have set mine to come in at 11psi, hopefully will have some video clips next week
Hi there, I am the buyer of the engine used in this car from another MR2 forum. Sadly I can't get hold of Chris any more and I have a few questions, was wondering if you guys might be able to help......
Most importantly I need some information on the pistons used and what size main end bearings to buy. I know it has ACL bearings but I don't know if they are standard size or not.
Any information would be a great help because all I know is where it was built and that it is forged and a RR graph to prove the power.
Thanks
Neil.
Paul Woods
23-10-2011, 15:20
Hi Neil, you need to contact Peter Gidden at Sbits, he will be able to give you all the info you need on that engine build.
Excellent, I hope he remembers the engine. Is there anything I could say to him you think might jog his memory on the project?
Paul Woods
23-10-2011, 19:18
Oh don't worry he will remember it, just mention Toffers old engine, Peter did an amazing job of that engine, it made brilliant power.
Ok thanks a lot for your help :)
Sadly Since it was installed it has brought me a world of issues, the engine was installed a few weeks ago at a local specialist where we found the valve clearances to be out. sadly when this did not cure the problem of a knocking noise we sent the head off to be checked over to find 13 bent valves. Thinking that would be it it was all put back together, the knocking was still there :(:(
Now the engine is out and it appears the noise is piston slap as the pistons move around in the bores considerably. Which is why I need a few details on the engine, such as what piston rings I need.
Paul Woods
24-10-2011, 07:33
Oh sorry to hear that, last i heard it made 400 odd bhp with no issues, i'm sure Peter will help you out he's a great guy.
Why cant I get the pics up? I need to see!
Pics have expired a long time ago I guess. I can upload some of everything in bits though haha.
Now the engine is in bits it appears the cause of the noise was due to excessive piston ring gaps, JE specifies it should be about 3 thou between the wall and piston and mine were about 0.6mm which is too big.
Also the is some wear in the ACL bearings both on the mains and the con rods. The worst appears on the mains though where some have even started to mushroom, not very good for a engine which has only done a few thousand miles.
Do you think you will get away with new rings for your current pistons? (That reminds me, I have a set of five JE piston rings left over from a 7M-GTE build I did, I could give you the part number on the off-chance that they might be useful?) If the bearings have taken a hammering maybe there was some detonation, or just too much cylinder pressure at full power?
It sucks that you've bought what was supposed to be a nice engine and found so much of it to be scrap. The engine builder will blame the mapper, the mapper will blame the engine builder, and you foot the bill :( I started reading this thread thinking "I need a 500bhp Mk1!", but your posts have reminded me why I swore to stay away from high powered tuned up turbo engines after pouring buckets of money into my Mk3 Supra Turbo.
We are going for a new block, new rings and new bearings. Block went to the shop today but sadly the rings wont arrive until next week :( Thanks for the offer mate but we had already ordered the rings before I read this.
There has been a fair amount of detonation yes, when the pistons come back I will make sure I get a photo of the det.
Yea I wish I'd of just bought a standard engine now!
snowtigger
27-10-2011, 19:53
always the with secondhand engines untill you have taken them apart you dont know what is inside, a mate bought what was supposed to be a rev 3 with loads of goodies like sard injectors acl bearings and special pistons with a billet crank had the recipt for all the stuff turned out the engine he got was bog standard and the one that he thought he was buying was the one the guy was fitting into his car and giving my mate the old engine, surfice it to say he exchanged words and letters then got the law involved some thing that cost time and money in the end he got his money back but he would only start again with a bog standard engine and build it from scratch.
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