Exhaust Fannymolds & 'Y' Pipe

[Poohbear]

Been to see a specialist exhaust manufacturer in Nottingham today and they are going to make me a set of stainless tubular manifolds, downpipes, merged 'Y' pipe, high flow (200 CPI) CAT all mated to my existing Mongoose. The cost for doing this including fitting is approx £700, which is pretty good I reckon.

They gave me a guided tour of their workshop where they were making all sorts of performance exhausts for Ferrari's, Astons, TVR's etc and they were busy, always a good sign....we shall see.

The car should be going in at the beginning of December, so I will post some piccies as soon as it is done.

Bob

[antnkel]

Did you know you don't need a cat on ;)

[Poohbear]

Did you know you don't need a cat on ;)

I do indeed know that....but as I don't have any documentation so therefore no providence for the engine to prove it is a 1991 my local MOT testers wont test it as Non-Cat. And since I cannot prove it I'm having a removable Cat fitted to save me and any future owners of the car any further hassle.

Bob

[Poohbear]

Some pictures of the sort of work they do.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/11/33.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/11/34.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/11/35.jpg

Bob

[antnkel]

Looks very nice!
How old is your car, if it was registered before july 95 you still don't need one

[Poohbear]

Looks very nice!
How old is your car, if it was registered before july 95 you still don't need one

According to VOSA they are quite clear that since my car is a UK 1993 car and I cannot prove that the V6 is older than that ie:pre aug 1992 then it has to be tested as a Catted car, I have an email from them stating as much.

Despite what people have said on here no-one has produced or shown where it says in the VOSA MOT manual that it doesn't need a Cat test. Converted cars are tested according to which is older, the engine or the car, I have not found anything that mentions the year 1995 being a cut-off year.

For me it's just less hassle to fit a cat and not have all the aggro of touting it around all my local MOT stations to find one that will pass it.

I would love someone to prove that I don't need a Cat with documentary evidence to back it up but at the moment I'm not taking that chance and my MOT is due in January so I dont have much time.

Bob

[antnkel]

Just noticed you have a rev2 so you don't need a cat test, it's different rules for engine conversions the cut off date is july 95 so all you have to do is tell the mot place, if they don't know that they should phone vosa thats what the mot place did with me and everything was finelol

Thank you for your e-mail
As the older of the vehicle and engine is the May 1995 vehicle the emissions test would be carried out to that standard. At this age a CAT Test would only be required if there is an exact match in the analyser database. As your vehicle is fitted with a different engine there will not be an exact match and therefore you vehicle will only require a non CAT Test.
For advice on the V5 you would need to contact the DVLA you can e-mail them at vehicle.dvla@gtnet.gov.uk and by telephone on 0870240010.

Regards
Tina


VOSA Contact Centre
Chief Information Officer Directorate
Tel:- 0300 123 9000 or 0870 60 60 440

[Poohbear]

Ok thanks for that (first time I have seen anything in writing)...I will go back to my MOT station and try to get this cleared up once and for all :)

Cheers....Bob

[antnkel]

When my local mot place phoned vosa they then went on the computer and found the relevant information so it is there just depends whether they can be bothered to look :freak3:

[antnkel]

I think I have the diagram that the mot places use if you want I can post it up.

[craig87]

where you getting the exhaust done mate?

[Poohbear]

P.D.Gough near Nottingham.

Bob

[jimgreen]

Thats ace bob, exact same people that did mine. You will be very happy with their work. You should pop round to my place for a cuppa.

[Lee]

Bob, can you get extra manifolds made up and sent so I can fit it?

I'm hoping seeing this is the 2nd V6 they've seen they'll make a pattern for producing more?

I've already got rid of the old Y section, so just need the manifolds.

Seriously interested in these :)

[gidonlamboo]

I'm also interisted in the manifolds.
Can they make a copple more?

[Garbe]

I feel a group buy coming on, Bob can you have a word with them about it? I'd be interested in an exhaust without the cat.

[Poohbear]

I can certainly speak to them about the interest on here and ask them if they would be interested in making some more.

[Poohbear]

Thats ace bob, exact same people that did mine. You will be very happy with their work. You should pop round to my place for a cuppa.

Cheers Jim, will do if we have the time mate :)

Bob

[Garbe]

Excellent Bob, Also, can you get costs for just the down pipes from the standard manifolds to the back box. Cheers

[jimgreen]

Excellent Bob, Also, can you get costs for just the down pipes from the standard manifolds to the back box. Cheers

Mine was 350, but they had to do a really hard bend because I'm using 2 front bank manifolds.

[Garbe]

I'd be tempted to just get the whole thing done for £700 (less the cost of the cat which I guess should be a saving of £50-£100)

so £200-£300 more to have the manifolds done aswell.

[Poohbear]

That's what they are saying Garbe, but I'm waiting for a confirmation email from them detailing the price fully...I want to see the price in black & white before committing... I won't be too bothered if it turns out to be a bit more expensive than they originally said as long as I know up front so there are no hidden surprises.

Bob

[Poohbear]

Right....I finally have this sorted out for me anyway. After going to see them with my car and emailing backwards and forwards we have agreed on a firm price. I have decided to go ahead with having a high flow 200 cpi CAT fitted regardless of the (you don't need one argument)...my choice after all :)

To manufacture 2 x tubular manifolds, 2 x downpipes, merged 'Y' pipe, high flow CAT, any necessary flexi's and fit and mate this to my original Mongoose backbox the price is going to be £900 all in. Car is booked in for the 9th December.

I have spoken to them about other people being interested in buying manifolds and downpipes/merged 'Y's and they assure me that they will have a pattern and should be able to give me a firm price when I go to have mine fitted.

Bob

[SlipSlide]

Excellent news.
Can anybody tell me, will the downpipes for the SW20 work on the AW11.

[OlberJ]

They should mate, as long as the point where it goes over the subframe (assuming it's over not under) is not too high but i think the Mk1 and Mk2 are about the same height at that part.

Will check 2moro and have a measure, we just so happen to have one of each sitting on the ramps just now :)

[Paul Woods]

no this won't work on the mk1 v6's.... they have a different design entirely....if you tried to fit a mk2 exhaust downpipe onto a mk1 v6 it would try and go up through the boot floor.

[Lee]

I have spoken to them about other people being interested in buying manifolds and downpipes/merged 'Y's and they assure me that they will have a pattern and should be able to give me a firm price when I go to have mine fitted.

Bob

Look forward to hearing final prices :)

[OlberJ]

no this won't work on the mk1 v6's.... they have a different design entirely....if you tried to fit a mk2 exhaust downpipe onto a mk1 v6 it would try and go up through the boot floor.

You mean where it goes over the subframe?

So it'd be a case of cutting the downpoops and re-alligning from the lowest point?

Or is the y going to happen just before it goes over the subframe?

Bob, any ideas where they are putting the y-join in?

[Paul Woods]

Either way they will be different,the design for the mk2 just wont work on a mk1.I suppose you could modify the mk2 ones.... but it would be better if we had bespoke mk1 jobbies too.

[OlberJ]

Aye, what i mean is they'll be the same till they sweep up over the subframe on the Mk2.

It's the same engine and gearbox combo so it's gotta be the same.

[Poohbear]

You mean where it goes over the subframe?

So it'd be a case of cutting the downpoops and re-alligning from the lowest point?

Or is the y going to happen just before it goes over the subframe?

Bob, any ideas where they are putting the y-join in?

I've no idea, I'm leaving it to them to decide and fit it in the best place.

Bob

[Paul Woods]

Aye, what i mean is they'll be the same till they sweep up over the subframe on the Mk2.

It's the same engine and gearbox combo so it's gotta be the same.

No mate they won't be,the shape before the subframe will need to be different,i will show you on monday.

[Conor]

Everyone's engine mount positions are going to be slightly different anyway since these are all custom swaps with hacking, slashing and welding going on. Even if you used the same jig, it probably wouldn't come out quite right. :)

[Garbe]

The mk2's should be all the same as 3 mounting points don't change at all.

The MK1 will definately have differences from swap to swap.

[OlberJ]

Well, no quite.

With a Mk1 they'll be in exactly the same place if we use the jig, even if the mounts change shape, the bolt holes stay in the same place and therefor the engine does too.

Moot point really but i guess the best bet would to get someone to make up off the shelf downpoops for the Mk1 which exit in the same place.

Then it'd only need to be a mid pipe we make up to connect downpoops to backbox.

[wardie]

what became of these manifolds?

did anything come of the potential pattern, and or off the shelf manifolds?

any pics of the finished result?

[MRV6]

If your after a set of custom manifolds mate giv AAS a shout in Newcastle. Can't go past their work. 0191 2673718 ask for Stuart.