Pete's 355 swap, 2gr upgrade.

[pilotpete]

EDIT: Fast forward to post #124 for the 2gr-fe stuff.

Thought I'd better get in on the act, seeing as my conversion is well under way. My car as it arrived before the 'magic' began.
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[OlberJ]

:poke2: Woodsy.

[pilotpete]

I hasten to add - at 'Woodsport', of course!:blush:

[pilotpete]

Back from the Hols, the dutifull sunbathing bit with the missus done. Seen the wheels back on - I take it the V6 is in! Any pic's Paul? Can't tell from the 'cam' if the new exhaust is on - does it sound ok?:hyper:

[Howlin_Mad]

Back from the Hols, the dutifull sunbathing bit with the missus done. Seen the wheels back on - I take it the V6 is in! Any pic's Paul? Can't tell from the 'cam' if the new exhaust is on - does it sound ok?:hyper:

Looks awesome! That exhaust is gonna sound incredible! Had a good nosey when i picked mine up on Saturday :thumbsup:

Kieren

[OlberJ]

Exhaust is almost done, should be running on that lovely Berk come Monday.

I can't wait to hear it, beautifull bit of kit.

Mind me asking how much it set you back Pete?

[Paul Woods]

aye sorry for the lack of build thread on this one pete,time simply hasn't permitted,the conversion is all done bar a bit of exhaust welding which is being finished on monday morning...i can't wait to hear that exhaust myself!

[pilotpete]

Picked up the exhaust at a bit of a bargain (if it sounds right) on IMOC for £280. Made the guy a cheeky offer as it was virtually unused, and he accepted. I think GTS Chris is selling them at £384.

[OlberJ]

Nice one. It really is a sexy bit of kit.

Anth started it up the other day and i thought, fook me that's a bit loud, what a shame.

Then i noticed the backbox was in place but the downpoops weren't. :hidesbehi

[pilotpete]

Phew! Don't do that.

[pilotpete]

Any news on the exhaust? Anxious to know if it sounds okay. Also, have the HT leads turned up yet?

[Paul Woods]

hi pete,its the best news you could ever expect,the exhaust sounds absolutely magnificent! best i have heard up to now bar none,not as raspy as the H and W system so it ticks all the boxes for me,i love it!

All we are waiting on now are those HT leads,give them a gentle nudge please squire.

[OlberJ]

It does sound the danglies. Makes it sound bigger than a V6 without being too loud.

Am 50/50 on this or the Skytune am afraid though.

I took a video but the audio on my phone is a bit crap, can upload it if you want though?

[pilotpete]

:thumbsup: Yes please!! Would love to see a pic of that engine bay, if poss', hoping that I got the right combo' of colours. If not, then you would still have time to re-do it (;) ). I'll give the guy a ring about the leads.

[pilotpete]

Back again - the guy making up the leads has been waiting for the silicon lead to be delivered. He will chase them up and let me know.

[OlberJ]

Will give Paul a slap and get him to sort out some pictures 2moro.

The vid : http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/10/30.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v239/OlberJ/Mr2V6/?action=view&current=PeteV6BerkExhaust.flv)

I promise it's not as loud as that, jus my crap phone. It does sound bigger than a V6 though. Nice and racey, jus what the fezza kit needs.

[loadswine]

Even based on Olie's poor old phone, that sounds terrific. Need to hear more of that, its total music that one.

[Howlin_Mad]

How does it compare to the Japspeed Olie? Love mine to bits but i fear the motorway journey to Santa Pod is going to leave me tone deaf!!

Kieren

[OlberJ]

The Japspeed has more bass, especially on tickover. Jus like on a tubby application.

This Berk jus seems to reverberate the sound to a different note and then really rasps out at higher revs, does sound very fezza like.

They're similar exhausts due to sizing etc, just the idle bass is more on the Japspeed i reckon.

[whoozy]

How does it compare to the Japspeed Olie? Love mine to bits but i fear the motorway journey to Santa Pod is going to leave me tone deaf!!

Kieren


What?.....:old:

[thrill seeker]

wow pete i thought mine sounded nice but that sounds awsome :thumbsup: what system is it

[pilotpete]

It's a 'Berk Technology' from the States. That sounds feckin marvellous!! Looking forward to driving it home even more now. I'll even leave my CD's at home!!:eek2:

[OlberJ]

That video really doesn't do it justice. will see if we can get a better one on Monday.

[pilotpete]

Cheers Olber - already made a mess though!lol

[Howlin_Mad]

What?.....:old:

Up yours John lol

Sounds like the exhaust i should have bought :(

Congrats Pete - bet you are over the moon - and you will never forget the first turn of the key :thumbsup:

Kieren

[pilotpete]

Picking her up next weekend and will be going home the long way.....via Scotland !! Until then, I'll just keep replaying the vid'.

[OlberJ]

Nice one Pete, where u heading up Scotland?

[pilotpete]

Nice one Pete, where u heading up Scotland?
Metaphorically speaking;)

[OlberJ]

Ah i see, jus wondered as there's a Pistonheads run to Oban on Saturday i think am gonna go on.

Can't wait to hear this exhaust system under load. Should be rather aurally pretty.

[frisp]

there's a Pistonheads run to Oban on Saturday i think am gonna go on.

Dammit, working Saturday :rant:

[Paul Woods]

A completed engine bay shot....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/10/94.jpg

[pilotpete]

Looks brill, thanks guys, but is the 3000 badge missing off the plenum? Was that you Paul wearing the white romper suit? Thought you had CSI in !! Those leads turned up yet?

[OlberJ]

Was a live set from one half of Altern8 this afternoon.

[Paul Woods]

Looks brill, thanks guys, but is the 3000 badge missing off the plenum? Was that you Paul wearing the white romper suit? Thought you had CSI in !! Those leads turned up yet?

yeah there's still the odd thing to do like the badge/leads (if they arrive)

the romper suit is my rubbing johnnys car down gear so i dont cake my car up with filler dust going home

[pilotpete]

Paul,
Latest on the HT leads - they can't do them!! After a couple of months of stringing me along, but they can get me a set of Magnecors for an extortionate price. I told them I could have bloody done that months ago!! I will sort out a set later, meanwhile they are sending the originals back to you. Shame on you H&H Ignition Solutions! See you Saturday Paul in the Securicor van (full of Hobnobs!)
P.S Anyone know the cheapest source of Magnecor KV85's?

[Howlin_Mad]

Pete,

http://www.sparkplugs.co.uk/pages/pricing/applications/magnecor-leads.asp

That's where i'm getting mine from.

Kieren

[Paul Woods]

argh thats a shame pete,oh well! the good news is we have roadtested this beast for the first time and oh my god thats the best sounding v6 exhaust i have ever heard....its so smooth yet throaty with a nice harmonic ferrariesque rasp in the background,thats as well as i can explain it without sounding homosexual!

The best v6 exhaust to date bar none,so good im on the lookout for a berk on my own v6 mk1.

[pilotpete]

S'pose a longer video is out of the question to tide me over til Saturday?

[Paul Woods]

we ran out of time tonight but we will shoot one tomorrow for you

[snowtigger]

thought u had a couple of berks working there mate dont forget to shut that trapdoor as well.

for those too young to get it , it was a reference to a 80's kids tv show god a feel old.

[OlberJ]

Without looking, which one was Berk, The skull or the blue one?

[snowtigger]

blue one mate u never saw the master up stairs trying to remeber the beardy bloke who narrated all the voices.

[OlberJ]

Indeedy, what was the skull called though, i cannae mind.

[Rowdan]

thought u had a couple of berks working there mate dont forget to shut that trapdoor as well.

for those too young to get it , it was a reference to a 80's kids tv show god a feel old.

"Stay away from that trapdoor" age is relative Tiggs been acting my shoe size for many years now. lol

[snowtigger]

boni was the skulls name there was drutt his pet spider and rog ,willie rushton did the voices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDs8VMz-cuc

here is a question wot swear word did berk use when things hit the fan?.

[Paul Woods]

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/10/119.jpg

[pilotpete]

Always preferred the 'Clangers' myself! Soup dragon was a hoot.

[OlberJ]

Av got a clanger in the house.

Great fun waking people up out a drunken stuper with a singing clanger.

[snowtigger]

pmsl at paul. it was "oh globbits".

[Paul Woods]

here's a video of this exhaust,the vid doesn't do it any justice,you have to hear this in the flesh! ,sorry about the odd aspect on the vid and the watermark on my trial mpeg4 to avi convertor software..... anyone got a free one that does the job?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAuPoQ58iFU

[snowtigger]

oooooo turned my subwoofer up on the pc shaking me shelfs, that is one nice sounding zorst there paul.

theres a lad in our road who owns a bad generation 2 355 replica told me tonight that he wants to v6 it but can not make up his mind 1mz or 3vz.

[pilotpete]

Sex on wheels !! Who was driving - Schuey? That's 50p off my bill for tyre wear Mr Woods !!!:eek2:

[Paul Woods]

anth driving,all in the name of necessary "roadtesting" :)

[pilotpete]

Kieran, if you haven't already ordered your Magnecor HT leads from 'Sparkplugs' - found some cheaper at www.dcdezign.com
Works out cheaper than picking up a set locally without p&p.

[Howlin_Mad]

Nice one Pete :thumbsup:

Exhaust sounds fantastic chap!

Kieren

[loadswine]

Growly niceness!!

[pilotpete]

959This is the 3S-GTE, which is now for sale with all it's bits, from the car. Less than 56000 miles!

[Desmozoll]

Paul, saturday I took a video of the berk which was fitted, do you want me to mail it to you so then you'll be able to put it on youtube or something else ?

Olivier

P.S. : the saturday night in Newcastle was so incredible that I think I'll come back to take personnaly the car to Matt !!!

[OlberJ]

Kewl, another Olie. :mrgreen:

[Paul Woods]

hi olivier,good to hear you had a good night out! BIG MARKET!!! LOL!

No need to send me a video,we already have one on youtube,thanks anyway.

[OlberJ]

U sent them up the big market?!?

No wonder you guys had a good time lol

[Paul Woods]

Aye they said where do we go for tourist attraction lol

[rattymr2]

sounds lovely,

was looking at related videos and found a clip of a 355 with a testarossa engine. they even brutalise the real things.

[pilotpete]

Some people are never satisfied.......!

[OlberJ]

Some people are never satisfied.......!

And that's why this place exists. :thumbsup:

[pilotpete]

Hang on a minute.....if he's got a spare 355 engine then - Paul?:idea: .........

[OlberJ]

Hehe, NOW we're talking.

The rear end of a 355 is spaceframed anyways. I dare say it'd fit.

[pilotpete]

Got her back home yesterday after my aborted trip last weekend! Overheated halfway back down to something as simple as the spring decided to collapse in the coolant pressure cap! The offending item was replaced with a 'Blitz' item, which I understand Paul is going to fit to all conversions in future to prevent this problem. Anyway, glorious run back and enjoyed the sound of that exhaust, especially when safely nearing home and opening it up some more. Brill job again Paul and the rest of you guys - finished all the Hobnobs? Pete

[OlberJ]

Good stuff Pete, glad you're happy with it.

How did you find the volume of the exhaust on the motorway? Sounds outstanding under load doesn't it?

[Paul Woods]

yeah i never want a silly cap failure to let us down like that again pete so all future v6 swaps will come with a brand new blitz cap. :thumbsup:

[loadswine]

Are these caps standard pressure rating, or the uprated ones?

[Paul Woods]

All blitz caps are 1.3bar nige

[loadswine]

D'oh! :doh:
Cool , they look good as well!

[thrill seeker]

i am glad it wasnt just me with the cap issue paul i have had no probs since i put the blitz on:thumbsup:

[Paul Woods]

They are a more important part than credit is given to in all honesty.

[pilotpete]

Good stuff Pete, glad you're happy with it.

How did you find the volume of the exhaust on the motorway? Sounds outstanding under load doesn't it?

Just cruising on the motorway, on overun, it's fairly quiet with a lovely burble - but open it up and get it up into the higher rev range.......ooops, damp chair again!!:thumbsup:

[herbie65]

here's a video of this exhaust,the vid doesn't do it any justice,you have to hear this in the flesh! ,sorry about the odd aspect on the vid and the watermark on my trial mpeg4 to avi convertor software..... anyone got a free one that does the job?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAuPoQ58iFU
Hi Paul,
as a Mac user i am using Quicktime pro. easy job.
If you want i can convert the files for you...

[Paul Woods]

cheers herbie,very generous!

[herbie65]

Maybe you will put some extra effort in my car than...... ;)

[Paul Woods]

There is only one level of service here mate :thumbsup:

[anth]

thats because i do all the work

[OlberJ]

And now you all know why the level of service is so bad.

[thrill seeker]

Now i for one know thats not true Olie:naughty: , my car was gleaming when i picked it uprotflmao rotflmao

[thrill seeker]

Also ordered my berk system today will post my fuji legal r thing up for sale when berk fitted, but wots it worth :confused:

[pilotpete]

You won't regret having the 'Berk'. Getting lots of good comments on mine from peeps who hear it.:thumbsup: Hoping for a dry day, sometime this year, and try and get a decent video done on the road, with some revs on it!

[OlberJ]

Definitely a good shout Andy. :)

I think you'll really love it.

[pilotpete]

Had the car on a Dyno today - Max bhp 214.1 & torque at 211.7 lbft. Is this about normal for the conversion done? Tried to upload the graph but it won't accept a tif file. I'll post it when I sort out how to change the file.

[antnkel]

Did you have the heads done?

[OlberJ]

That's a good healthy figure Pete. Nice one.

[pilotpete]

Yes, had the heads done by Paul,fidanza flywheel and the exhaust will probably help. Managed to convert the tif to a jpeg :-963

[OlberJ]

Nice. AFM still in the standard position, i.e 0 clicks?

[loadswine]

I have to say that curve mirrors the way my engine feels. Wouldn't be surprised if mine had similar values.
Nice figures though.

[Poohbear]

Good result there Pete...I'm hoping mine shows similar figures on the 15th @ Weston Performance when I go on the rollers...fingers crossed :)

Bob

[pilotpete]

Nice. AFM still in the standard position, i.e 0 clicks?
Yes, still standard. They did say it was running a bit rich towards the higher revs. Not sure about altering the AFM - I've read the threads and it appears there is some confusion about whether to turn it anti or clockwise to lean it out? Anyone certain which way?

[biteme]

Don't do it unless you're on a dyno and are having your fuelling watched.

Doing it wrong, or too much is a sure fire way to buying a new engine off Paul ...

[MRV6]

Nice figs mate, did you have your manifold done when you did the exhaust?

[pilotpete]

Nice figs mate, did you have your manifold done when you did the exhaust?
Nope, as far as I'm aware, they are standard. What do you mean by 'done' - polished?

[pilotpete]

Don't do it unless you're on a dyno and are having your fuelling watched.

Doing it wrong, or too much is a sure fire way to buying a new engine off Paul ...
Scary!

[OlberJ]

I think he means custom fannymoulds and doonpoops.

This is just with heads n a Berk. So noice. Very noice.

[OlberJ]

Scary!

Well there is a few of us who have done it already without anything going bang.

[EarL]

I have to say that curve mirrors the way my engine feels. Wouldn't be surprised if mine had similar values.
Nice figures though.
Same here Nige. Even though mine didn't have the porting done on the heads, it feels so strong through 3rd/4th gear, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't around the same. Maybe something do do with it being such a young engine...

Lovely torque curve Pete. Well impressive :thumbsup:

EarL.

[MRV6]

Nope, as far as I'm aware, they are standard. What do you mean by 'done' - polished?

The original manifolds are restrictive there could be decent power gains to be had from an aftermarket set of manifolds.

[pilotpete]

The original manifolds are restrictive there could be decent power gains to be had from an aftermarket set of manifolds.
From........? On another note, I wish I had done something with the gearing - 1st is now virtually redundant. Ah well, something for the future.

[biteme]

you have a turbo box pete? If so, you might as well go for the longer final drive ratio.

[pilotpete]

Sure do, I had the option and wish I'd had it done while it was at Pauls!>:[

[antnkel]

you have a turbo box pete? If so, you might as well go for the longer final drive ratio.

What does it do?

[antnkel]

And why go for it if you have a turbo box?

[biteme]

What does it do?

It makes each gear around 9% longer. For instance, if you hit 57 in second at the limiter, you will then hit, 57*1.09 = 62mph.

[biteme]

And why go for it if you have a turbo box?

It's only available for the turbo box as an upgrade of the final drive.

The non-turbo box can upgrade the 5th gear ratio to a longer one for better motorway cruising.

[antnkel]

I see :cool:

[OlberJ]

Also can put a longer ST182 Final Drive in the NA box (we think, not proven but 99% sure)

but Ant's got a turbo box so 'rrelevant.

[antnkel]

What we talking to get the final drive done?
Sounds like a good mod.lol

[pilotpete]

Some short vid's of the car on the road with the 'Berk' exhaust !!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmwV5zAcsSk
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PYulVaixYGo
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zN9-2eZqaZs
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=D2aEA3QZXk8
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Sib88MK4u8I

:eek2:

[thrill seeker]

That sunds great pete i have just built an exhaust for mine i will try and get a vid posted when i get hold of a camera, the trouble is now there is a real 355 on ebay and i am in a position to buy it but with all the work i have done to my car i dont know what to do:?:

[kenny.c]

That sunds great pete i have just built an exhaust for mine i will try and get a vid posted when i get hold of a camera, the trouble is now there is a real 355 on ebay and i am in a position to buy it but with all the work i have done to my car i dont know what to do:?:


I think you should buy it and stick an mr2 badge on the back. lol

[pilotpete]

That sunds great pete i have just built an exhaust for mine i will try and get a vid posted when i get hold of a camera, the trouble is now there is a real 355 on ebay and i am in a position to buy it but with all the work i have done to my car i dont know what to do:?:
Buying it's probably the easy part - it's affording to run a real one!:eek2:

[pilotpete]

Okay, 12 months down the line and it's time to restart this thread ready for the 2GR transplant ! Still wish I'd known about this engine before I put the 3VZ in there, but heyho, nothing stands still, especially with these 2brutal guys!
So the car is at Woodsport and already on the ramp, 2GR on a pallet in front of it waiting to be carressed by those magicians Paul and Anth. Marc's headers look brilliant - it's a shame they'll be hidden. Replacement E153 with lsd also to be fitted to replace the non-lsd. Over to you guys !

[biteme]

You're going to FLY in that thing, Pete.

[Garbe]

Is this the first 2GR the boys are doing? - bet you can't wiat

[snowtigger]

Yes I hope your brakes and suspension can cope, wish I had the money to buy James engine blown355 replica and get that converted to 2gr spec.

[hmmmmm]

2GR+LSD+Ferrari looks, cant go wrong mate! Are you keeping the exhaust? It sound good on the youtube vids!

[pilotpete]

Definately keeping the 'Berk'. I hadn't realised that the headers we've bought are manufactured by 'Berk' as well. I just hope that the 2GR provides the same soundtrack as the 3VZ, or even better !

[biteme]

I'm thinking it'll be much happier in the higher RPM ;)

[Paul Woods]

Hi chaps, sorry about no thread update last night i had to go to hospital to visit my son (suspected appendix) . Anyhoo... i have a few pics of petes engine/car from yesterday which i will upload later.

[snowtigger]

Hope your lad is okay Paul, appendix are not nice things better out than in had a grumbleing appendix was a pain your having as much luck as my family at the moment, all our love and best wishes from the Jackson clan.

[Paul Woods]

Thanks tiggs.

Ok pics as promised, here is Petes car in on one of the lifts...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/01/202.jpg

Here is his 2gr with the covers removed, needless to say these engines are immaculate inside, you could eat your dinner off it, but not Johnnys dinner, obviously there's too much of that.

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2010/01/280.jpg

The covers have been cleaned and primed, just awaiting a splash of Ferrari red.

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2010/01/281.jpg

[Gouky]

*subscribing*

[hmmmmm]

Lovely chain driven goodness! Subscribing!

[snowtigger]

How's the chain and tensioners Paul, they look pretty good from what a remmber on the discusion they don't need replacing till you get into the high mileage range.

Plus for those people who are swopping out a3vz or 1mz to fit the 2gr what kind of instalation time and costing?

Just a thought to those people on the next group buy who may have had a v6 conversion or maybe some body buying a ready converted v6, but wanting to upgraded the power plant may find it cheaper to upgrade to a 2gr rather than go forced induction.

[Paul Woods]

With engines as low mileage as these there should be no need to worry about anything for a very long time.

Installation time is a few weeks and i can do good deals on the old v6 engine coming out.

[Torero]

Same here, Subscribing. Gotta be worth seeing this has.

[Garbe]

I love seeing all the gubbins when the cam covers are off.

Will the mounts need redoing?

[biteme]

*subscribing*


Lovely chain driven goodness! Subscribing!


Same here, Subscribing. Gotta be worth seeing this has.


Beat you all to it :P

[Paul Woods]

Which mounts garbe? Engine mounts? 3 of them are the same as before on the gearbox, and goukys mounting kit allows the Mk2 engine mount to work.

[Gouky]

I love seeing all the gubbins when the cam covers are off.

Will the mounts need redoing?

that's where the kit i sell comes in:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/01/205.jpg

[tripod23]

lovely stuff - thats what i call fitting made easy gouky

[Paul Woods]

Quick update, the engine has now been detailed and manifolds fitted, not long before it is hanging in the bay!

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2010/01/310.jpg

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2010/01/311.jpg

[biteme]

That looks lovely.
Gouky, headers look great :thumbsup:

[pilotpete]

That's looking mighty shiny guys - I take it the 'crinkle' finish was a no go in the end? Love those headers.

[dgh938peg]

Yummy! cant wait for one of these myself!

[Torero]

I don't normally use abbreviations to express my enthusiasm but OMFG those headers are the bollocks.

[Gouky]

funny thing about those headers. I knew there was no way they could be seen in the car, the design I sent out for manufacturing was never intended to be polished. but it does make for some awfully pretty pictures during installation.

Berk (the manufacturer of my header design) went the extra mile on the workmanship of these.

the reason they twist like they do is because they are equal length and the angle of each pipe coming into the collector is almost equal to prevent the gases from fighting each-other on the way out.

that's also the reason why the O2 bung isn't on the collector. being that close to the join point it was too much of a flow interruption. instead it just gets put on the y-pipe.

[Torero]

I understand the thought that has gone into the manufacture and the physics around the gasflow but to polish them -which is another process involving time and labour - just shows the pride they have in their product.

A great buy Marc.

[Diesel Meister]

In a word - phwoarsome :)

G-Pipes looking mighty tasty!

Nice work WS.

[hmmmmm]

Someone needs a plexiglass mk2 so we can see those headers:)

Nice work as always paul, get a supercharger on this thing and i might prefer it over a ferrari!

[Paul Woods]

Sorry pete the crackle finish just wasn't viable with there being so many sensors/switches and fittings in the covers... the stuff we use to achieve that finish would have played havoc with sealing/mating surfaces and to mask every single bit off would have taken a very long time.

[gidonlamboo]

That engine is looking very good :ok:

[Garbe]

So the engine will just plop into place. I'm loving that mounting kit Gouky.

[pilotpete]

Sorry pete the crackle finish just wasn't viable with there being so many sensors/switches and fittings in the covers... the stuff we use to achieve that finish would have played havoc with sealing/mating surfaces and to mask every single bit off would have taken a very long time.

That's fine Paul, thanks for considering it anyway. Can you fit some suitably placed mirrors so that we can still see the headers when the engine's fitted ???:jok:

[brianbooth]

So the engine will just plop into place. I'm loving that mounting kit Gouky.

A shoe horn might help too :P

http://www.emocs.com/shoehorns/footsaver.jpg

[pilotpete]

Just taken a peek on WS tv and seen someone tinkering with a big red engine at the front of the car - that little 3vz out yet?

[snowtigger]

Cmon now there busy trying to pop it under the front for four wheel drive and a v12.

[Paul Woods]

The 3vz came out a few days ago, we have been busy on the engine prep and it will be going into the bay on Monday now.

[Gouky]

The 3vz came out a few days ago, we have been busy on the engine prep and it will be going into the bay on Monday now.

are you saying we're missing out on the obligatory person in engine bay pic? :poke2:

[Paul Woods]

I will grab one of those on Monday :thumbsup:

[pilotpete]

Make it Angelina Jolie !!!

[decipherer]

Lovely looking engine this :)
Paul, do you use some sort of heat resistant paint on the cam covers? Wasn't planning on doing mine, but must say this looks better than the standard, kind of dirty aluminum. Also, have you used new gaskets for that manifold and the cam covers? If so, may I ask where you got them from?

[Gouky]

i just used normal automotive paint on mine and they haven't discolored one bit after many heat cycles.

personally i used new gaskets but my motor had 60k on the clock. the ones i shipped to you guys are much newer. by the book says replace them every time, but realisticaly you should be fine with the old ones since they haven't had the time to get hard/brittle.

[pilotpete]

Just back from my hol's....and no Angelina !!!!<:(

[Paul Woods]

Quick update, the exhaust downpipes are now complete, the berk rear silencer made the design of this pipe very difficult for me, as it still had to sweep over the rear subframe, but i managed to make a merged Y pipe and get it all in there successfully.

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2010/02/186.jpg

This is all 2.5" diameter right up to the 3" step up to the berk.

With the exhaust done it was time to wire the beast, here is the complete 2gr ECU pinout in all its glory... :)

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2010/02/187.jpg

Wiring being done in the boot....

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2010/02/188.jpg

The engine bay as it looks now, just the intake to do. All being well it will fire into life tomorrow.

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2010/02/189.jpg

[Lee]

With the exhaust done it was time to wire the beast, here is the complete 2gr ECU pinout in all its glory... :)

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg



Exactly what i did with mine!! :D

Currently stuck on my garage wall, makes life a lot easier rather than flicking through 15 odd pages.

Looking good there, especially the Y pipe :)

[Torero]

That's amazing Paul, the engine looks like it was made for that bay. I can't say you hang around either, that installation was pretty quick.

You must be pretty chuffed Pete [even without Angelina :cry:]

[dgh938peg]

B - e - a - utiful!!!

[ukpaisley]

Great bit of pipe worke there Mr P, looks good!!

[decipherer]

Looking good there Paul, very fast work :)

It seems like the merge on that Y-pipe is still 2.5" and it steps up to 3" a bit after the merge? Isn't that going to affect the flow? Will be making my y pipe this weekend, but looking at yours I think I've ordered way too many bends :mrgreen:

[Diesel Meister]

Nice work Paul :)

[pilotpete]

Looking good Paul:praise2: ! I had a peek on the web and saw that diagram laid out - wondered what it was ? I must say, my biggest worry now is that new gearbox - having read some of the threads about this guy Shadeh, that I got it from.

[Goldy]

Looking good mr woods, cant wait to see startup vid!

[snowtigger]

I'm glad you got instead of me the gearbox that's saved me a lot of worry, I wouldn't worry till the box goes bang then replace it.

Any thing second hand is a bit of a lottery till you try it out, I will have my fingers crossed for you any way.

[dgh938peg]

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg

Anyone else thinking how good this intake would look skinned in carbon fibre......

[pilotpete]

Yeah, will have to play around with that when it comes home!

[Paul Woods]

Well today she fired into life, just a basic test firing for now to grab fault codes and leak check so no video yet, but it runs and sounds great!

After a few jobs are done tomorrow we will have it running up to temp and shoot a video.

For now, here is the 95% finished bay, still got the wiring to wrap up among other jobs.

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2010/02/190.jpg

[Gary Symons]

Nice work :thumbsup:

[decipherer]

Great Job Paul! Did I see it correct and is this also running a new 2010 Camry ECU? Happy to see that works without problems :)
Congratulations pilotpete on having the first running engine from the group buy! :)

[Gouky]

Great Job Paul! Did I see it correct and is this also running a new 2010 Camry ECU? Happy to see that works without problems :)
Congratulations pilotpete on having the first running engine from the group buy! :)

actually he's for a 2007 rav-4 ecu. Paul and I were going over this yesterday.

[pilotpete]

Looking forward to the trip home in this - hope it doesn't drive like a Rav 4 !!!

[snowtigger]

Don't be cheeky rav4s are okay when fitted with 2grs.

Good work there paul loving this thread now where did I stash that piggy bank.

[pilotpete]

You changed your mind then Tiggs, you not putting your 2GR in the Mk1 now????:hidesbehi

[pilotpete]

Thought I'd seen everything - but just seen Anth' kneeling in my boot !!! Is that instead of the engine bay shot?

[biteme]

Thought I'd seen everything - but just seen Anth' kneeling in my boot !!! Is that instead of the engine bay shot?
He must have dropped 2p?

[snowtigger]

I do know where there is a 355 replica in red in need of it's 3rd engine transplant a couple of carefull owners then some body left the dipstick out, I wonder who that could be.

[MRV6]

I've just been over Woodsplurt and heard this thing, it's fracking awesome. Proper angry beast:twisted::twisted::evil: Can't wait for mine now.

[pilotpete]

I've just been over Woodsplurt and heard this thing, it's fracking awesome. Proper angry beast:twisted::twisted::evil: Can't wait for mine now.

Ooops, made a mess!!!!

[MRV6]

Wait til you hear it in the flesh, it's BRUTAL. Industrial grade tissues are a must mate!

[Paul Woods]

The camera does not do this thing justice, it sounds much nicer in the flesh. I've uploaded a video of it running plus the ODB2 scanner hooked up.

R1epvv7R1po

[Diesel Meister]

Top class - vid should be interesting.

That's enough Mk2 2GR-FEs for now Paul, even if I am biased lol

[Gouky]

video still processing @ 20:41 , wonder why it's taking so long?

... because it hates us and we're overloading the servers by asking it "loaded yet?"

[Gary Symons]

^^^^^^^ video now working :twisted:

[Gouky]

Finally loaded, I love it :)

I find it odd that it is claiming 26% fuel trim. what base fuel pressure are you running? this gets affected by the MAF tube diameter also.

running at +26% concerns me slightly. i'd see if you can bump up the fuel pressure to 50-55psi to get nearer the +/-5% mark

but it's also entirely possible that this is just the standard operating condition for an ECU that hasn't learned yet. i admit i haven't hooked up a reader to mine with a freshly reset ECU.

[Paul Woods]

We are set at about 52psi at the moment marc, but since the last reset it has just done 26mins running, so plenty of learning to go.

I thought you would appreciate the OBD2 data :thumbsup:

[Paul Woods]

Also nobodys spotted anth with the throttle pedal in his hand lol

[Gouky]

Also nobodys spotted anth with the throttle pedal in his hand lol

I noticed but did not say anything since i know why he's got it in his hands :)

Apparently, someone decided to put the wheel on the wrong side of that car. *OOPS!!*

[snowtigger]

Has it had the Toyota recall yet it would be funny taking it in to a Toyota dealers to get fixed, do we know the fix for the throttle pedal yet?

[Paul Woods]

How many cars have actually been affected by that? A lot of hot air about nothing as far as i can tell.

[snowtigger]

all i can add is holy shit that thing sounds friggin awesome, by the sound alone it meens fast more a deep rarr than a ferrari howl which is not say i dont like it i love it, you are one lucky git enjoy it mate it know has the growl to match the looks.

[Torero]

lumping fuck, that is outstanding. Definitely a growl to match the looks.

[Gouky]

Has it had the Toyota recall yet it would be funny taking it in to a Toyota dealers to get fixed, do we know the fix for the throttle pedal yet?

here's the whole TSB: http://jalopnik.com/5465002/toyota-recall-the-tsb-toyota-didnt-want-you-to-see/gallery/

i'm not going to do it to my car and i'm running a CTS pedal.

also, some of you guys are running CTS pedals and some are denso. you'll have to look and see which one you got if you care.

[dgh938peg]

pass the kleenex please .... i have messed myself... :D

[snowtigger]

like i told my mother whos been worrying over her rav4 for the last two weeks, does it stick=no, then its okay has it ever stuck=no then dont worry.

[Diesel Meister]

That sounds evil.

Pete - tunnel run vid withint 1 week of collection pls.

Ta :thumbsup:

[Goldy]

Sounds bloody awesome! Better than a real fezza! What exhaust is it running? Loving the slurp slurp noises as you blip the throttle!

[loadswine]

Utterly utterly brilliant! :thumbsup: Amazing and then some!

[Paul Woods]

This thing is nothing short of shityourpantsscary!! It has so much torque it just spits you sideways with no effort at all, pete definately needs better tyres and life insurance.... we were blown away by this today, truely awesome engines and the sound this one makes isn't too bad either :) Raaaaar!

Enjoy.

M0dSCspFo_A

[Gary Symons]

Now that sounds nice:cool:, looks like you were about to do a scooby at the end :mrgreen:

[Paul Woods]

Oh it's twitchy alright... so much torque!

[kenny.c]

Just watched the video twice ,it sounds absolutely amazing and loving the end of the vid where the rear kicks out. Sweet !!!

:thumbsup:

[Gouky]

I guess that means you beleive me when I said "no clutch drop required" :banana:

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i think i prefer the Berk's tone over the borlas i have. i just need to finish this exhaust install and mine will sound the same.

[Paul Woods]

No clutch drop needed whatsoever, just wind the power on!

[MRV6]

Ohhh that's mental. Didn't know it was summer time over at Turdsdale.

[biteme]

Lovely :thumbsup:

Definitely get some good tyres on the back, some more bracing, soften the ride if you can and also get a 3D Alignment and your earliest convenience.

God bless the Mk1's!

[Gouky]

God save the Mk1's!

:rlol:

they will need someone on their side to not kill themselves with that much power :angel:

[snowtigger]

side ways every where, knowing my luck the dam wheels will fall off.

[pilotpete]

Just watched the second video - it sounds totally different and looks......shocking mental !! Better bring some new rear tyres with me to collect it. Was that a timely end to the filming as Anth stuffed it into that Tranny ?? If you could see my grin !!:eek2:

[Paul Woods]

You definately need the best tyres you can afford on this car pete, it needs all the help it can get keeping it straight.... a very scary car to drive, these 2gr's are insane.

[pilotpete]

You definately need the best tyres you can afford on this car pete, it needs all the help it can get keeping it straight.... a very scary car to drive, these 2gr's are insane.

I won't be going over 30 mph !!!!:redface: I guess the gearbox is okay then?

[Paul Woods]

Well we have only driven it a few hundred yards so i can't tell what the gearbox is like yet, but there are no noises from it and it seems fine.

[biteme]

Pete, what suspension do you have on it?

[pilotpete]

Pete, what suspension do you have on it?

They are 'Apex' fully adjustable coilovers - set at softest.

[Diesel Meister]

Absotively, Posolutely Radio Rental lol

This may just the Engine for all us agnostics / atheists to find some religion. Nothing like a bit of fear to make to seek the protection of a higher power.

Paul - I think I may need to up my suspension budget and chat with you about chassis bracing...

Superb work mate :thumbsup:

[Garbe]

F-in Hell - the future is here !!!

[Gouky]

Absotively, Posolutely Radio Rental lol

This may just the Engine for all us agnostics / atheists to find some religion. Nothing like a bit of fear to make to seek the protection of a higher power.

Paul - I think I may need to up my suspension budget and chat with you about chassis bracing...

Superb work mate :thumbsup:

finding religion through horsepower. :shades: you know, if the Greeks had cars there would definitely be a god of horsepower.

:amen:

on a more serious note. I'm running p-zero nero tires in 255/35r18 in the rear and 215/35/18 in the front. they do great in the dry and wet but just park the car in the cold, snow and ice. i really consider these a minimum traction tire with the 2GR. if your budget can afford something stickier definitely do it. now that my rears are worn i think I'm about to switch to Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec tires in the same size. another really good choice would be Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 in 225/35ZR18 fronts and 255/35ZR18 rears or 265/35ZR18 if you have wide enough rims.

plus, if you like life, going to a 17 or 18" rim allows you to get Wolfkatz's big brake kit: http://www.wolfkatz.com/products.php?cat=25

[biteme]

Agreed there Marc. The Michelin Pilot Sports are what I have on the BMW, stunningly good tyre and very neutral.

As for the brakes, am not sure about the US, but over here I think the stock Rev 2+ brake setup with good, new OEM discs and some Carbotech pads are perfectly adequate when backed up with some DOT5.1 fluid.

It's also amazing just what a good job an alignment can do for putting that power down.

[Diesel Meister]

Yeah part of me is thinking a MkII would be a more sensible spot for this engine. Trouble is I have Mk1a....

I was kinda hoping on the rear 15 or 16 by 8in wheels with between 225 and 245s would be enough, otherwise I'll need bodywork as well. Fitting nice tyres (a given) and a 3.9 or 3.6 FD may help.

I can't spec this in advance until I know from Paul what offset and stud pattern I need. Am also thinking of some custom steels for an alternate set of tyres. Plus a trip to a specialist for an alignment - somewhere like WIM.

But anyway, back on topic - Pete, you're a lucky bastid. Go annoy some 911s!

[Gouky]

Yeah part of me is thinking a MkII would be a more sensible spot for this engine. Trouble is I have Mk1a....

I was kinda hoping on the rear 15 or 16 by 8in wheels with between 225 and 245s would be enough, otherwise I'll need bodywork as well. Fitting nice tyres (a given) and a 3.9 or 3.6 FD may help.

I can't spec this in advance until I know from Paul what offset and stud pattern I need. Am also thinking of some custom steels for an alternate set of tyres. Plus a trip to a specialist for an alignment - somewhere like WIM.

But anyway, back on topic - Pete, you're a lucky bastid. Go annoy some 911s!


that video is actually a good part of the reason i went to the 3.625 FD. 1st and 2nd gear is just good for launching yourself into the scenery with the stock 4.285 gears.

and keep in mind in an MKI you have less weight so you don't need quite as much rubber. if 245 is the best you can fit, then so be it. just get some seriously sticky rubber and you'll be fine.

[hmmmmm]

Absolutley mental that! And Gouky, how long did those tires last you?

[Gouky]

Absolutley mental that! And Gouky, how long did those tires last you?

i've got about 10,000 miles on them now and they have maybe 1000 left before the wear bars.

[biteme]

Don't forget the basics, chaps. Good alignment, correct pressures - and your tyres will last longer than you think!

Pete, some R888's might be in order, or even some traction control :)

[Gouky]

Don't forget the basics, chaps. Good alignment, correct pressures - and your tyres will last longer than you think!

Pete, some R888's might be in order, or even some traction control :)

absolutely. i've also found that the torque and the abuse will quickly kill the bushings which then make your alignment somewhat variable/random.

the chassis simply isn't designed for double the power, some additional care is required to keep the alignment in check and the bushing wear under control.

[Paul Woods]

and the anal leakage under control!

You guys just don't realise how violent this engine is, i've certainly never felt anything like it.... makes me look at my v8 and wonder what the hell i'm doing!

DM we will be carrying out a mk2 rear hub conversion on your car, there is just no way a mk1 outer spline is going to cope with this. So your wheels may be 5 stud on the rear unless we do a 4 stud conversion.

We think a mk1 2gr is going to be absolutely insane.

[snowtigger]

I can't wait till dm gets this conversion to see how many adult diapers I need.

For tires I have heard f1s or toyo proxys and r888s.

[biteme]

I can't wait till dm gets this conversion to see how many adult diapers I need.

For tires I have heard f1s or toyo proxys and r888s.

F1's aren't made anymore in the directional tread.

For me, it's Michelin Pilot Sports, Pirelli PZero's then Toyo Proxy T1R.

R888's are good for dry days, crap in the wet and terrible on the dyno.

[pilotpete]

Won't be giving it too much thrash at first, so will probably wear those tyres out first (couple of weeks!), that's if Anth' leaves any on them! Better start pricing some stickier tyres.
Paul replaced all the bushing when he put the last engine in and the car's only done about 300 miles since I fitted the coilovers and had a full alignment done.( Off to watch that video again). Roll on next weekend!!!!!

[MRV6]

What size boots are on the back??

[foxy-stoat]

Outstanding !!!

You need some "stoat" sly video clips....i predict the 3vz/1mz engines being made redundant now !!

Top work

[ukpaisley]

Suppose with the change in engine weight at the back some adjustment should be made as well as big rubber !!, great stuff !!

[pilotpete]

What size boots are on the back??

I think they are 245/45/17's and 235's on the front.

[snowtigger]

I have 225s and 215 by 17 inch on the mk1 hope this is enough, as any bigger on the fronts and it would rub against the bottom of the spring platform.

I may have to get some coil overs if going bigger rubber.

[pilotpete]

That's the reason I had to get coilovers.

[hmmmmm]

F1's aren't made anymore in the directional tread.

For me, it's Michelin Pilot Sports, Pirelli PZero's then Toyo Proxy T1R.

R888's are good for dry days, crap in the wet and terrible on the dyno.

+1 for the Toyo Proxes (not proxy), they are great in the dry and the wet (although i dont think driving this beast in the rain is smart with any tire :) ), and over here they arent that expensive (i used to get them from germany, for some reason most tires are cheaper there, must be to do with the autobahn rotflmao)

And on a sidenote, im not anywhere near suspension yet, but for curiocity's sake, what will a suspension allignment set you back?

[biteme]

Usually around £120 for a full 3-D alignment with before and after prints.

[Diesel Meister]

I would have thought a good alignment / geo adjust will be between £60-£150 depending on how much work (i.e. time and adjustment). I last had a geo done on a MkII Golf GTi and it was £60 for 4 wheel laser alignment, geo adjust and balancing. Took about 90 min. But that was about 6-7 years back at a garage that knew me well enough.

Paul - cool. I can deal with 5 stud rear. I've been looking at some styles of wheel that will come in both 4 and 5 stud fitments. The alternative is either mismatching or £££ custom wheels. Insanity is a bridge I'll cross when I come to it I guess lol

[pilotpete]

Just been looking at rear tyre prices, 245/45/17's and found these:-
Toyo Proxes @ £127
Pirelli PZero @ same price
Michelin Pilot Sport @ £166
Prices are - delivered to me without fitting.
Anyone know of cheaper ones?

[biteme]

Good price that on the Michelin's

[dgh938peg]

have you tried www.camskill.co.uk?

uber cheap on tyres!

[pilotpete]

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg

Anyone else thinking how good this intake would look skinned in carbon fibre......

Got me thinking now....could this be done in vinyl or is there too much heat around there? If not, who does 'skinning' - hopefully in the Derbyshire/Yorkshire areas?

[biteme]

I'd not skin that - the heat would make it bubble, probably.

[dgh938peg]

I'd not skin that - the heat would make it bubble, probably.

I meant more the proper CF skinning kits you can get from www.carbonmods.co.uk Johnny - thus making a CF cocoon for it....

[Gouky]

while i do think it could look pretty neat skinned, i'm not sure if the heat won't be a problem.

personally if i was to do anything with it i'd just drop it off somewhere to get painted. there are some seriously good plastic paints out there that will certainly put up with the heat.

[snowtigger]

Plasticote do them but you have to really degrease every thing and rough the plastic up other wise it just peels of looking rather crapy after a year or so.

[Garbe]

Whats the price of the supercharger for these engines?