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Hi all. After snooping around in here for a while, and after being bigmouth'y in an other thread it was time to throw out a project thread. I'll get right to it :thumbsup:
Did my 3vz N/A swap in may 2006. Never had the oem ecu with the motor, so did a megasquirt with ford edis ignition right away. Also had the fidanza fly from day one. Drove that around for about 13000 km and 1,5 year.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/192.jpg
Dyno: http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m80/3vz-fe/?action=view¤t=Bilde058.flv
But something was wrong with the motor. It didn't have a TURBO.:hidesbehi So i started buying stuff like an idiot:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/193.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/194.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/195.jpg
Oil mod:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/196.jpg
Picture of the solidworks manifold i designed at work:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/197.jpg
These took about 30 000 hours to finish.. :doh:
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http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/205.jpg
And puhh, here i am today.. Working my ass off to finish this now, if i'm not asleep or at work i'm in the garage.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/206.jpg
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Sketch_hs
26-07-2008, 05:34
sexy! nice work
Barronmr
26-07-2008, 08:20
Sweet.....
So what turbo unit did you go for?
mart1975
26-07-2008, 08:25
mate, that looks awesome! very good work, love to see what thatll be pushing.
Very, very nice work :thumbsup:
Outshtanding, especially the fact you'll be running on MS. TB to the core.
With the turbo over the gearbox i take it you've re-routed the wiring elsewhere, is it a completely custom loom you've made?
Fancy sharing that solidworks of the fannymoulds, they're gorgeous.
Fook me you've been busy lol That is some fantastic work you've done there. Is the engine stock ? Because that looks like a big ol' blower and wastegate :thumbsup: Ah just read ya other post .... standard internals and .6bar spring .What injectors are you using ?
Sterling work there... looks real good and tidy as well.... can't wait to see the startup video :)
Thanks all :) The wiring needs to be re-routed different from last version who's also custom (put together from the remains of the cut 3vz loom and a modified 3sge loom) But i hope i can keep the fusebox in the bay, without setting it on fire :)
Injectors are Greddy 525cc high imp.
Some pics from the weekend:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/231.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/232.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/233.jpg
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http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/235.jpg
So your intake is gonna be getting a nice bit of flow from down there.
Very nice, looks like a well thought out setup.
Can i ask what you've spent on it so far chief?
One of the few threads I've subscribed too ... bring it on!
Awesome work there mate. Was wondering, do ya have any pics of the MS and EDIS setup you've used. Tis one of the routes I want to take sometime in the future so is of interest to me :)
Wow indeed.
This could quite easily hit the 400bhp mark i reckon.
All those little custom bits like water pipes and turbo steady bars , a lot of time , money , effort and skill is going in to this build . It's just a little bit special :praise2:
So your intake is gonna be getting a nice bit of flow from down there.
Very nice, looks like a well thought out setup.
Can i ask what you've spent on it so far chief?
Thanks
That actually made me curious now that you mention it, i know i spent about £3000 on the N/A swap. But now over the last year i came down to £8600 in just parts, not counting the N/A costs :freak3:
Awesome work there mate. Was wondering, do ya have any pics of the MS and EDIS setup you've used. Tis one of the routes I want to take sometime in the future so is of interest to me :)
I can snap a shot of the triggerwheel/vr-sensor if you like. The other stuff is not re-mounted yet
Wow indeed.
This could quite easily hit the 400bhp mark i reckon.
But not at 0.6 bar i suppose..? Have to admit i have no idea on what to expect really.. But it should be quite torq'y i guess..
All those little custom bits like water pipes and turbo steady bars , a lot of time , money , effort and skill is going in to this build . It's just a little bit special :praise2:
Thanks a lot. Yea, tell me about it. I've spent my time on piping, probably made about 3999 brackets also by now rotflmao
But i wasn't too happy about that oem right-side filler pipe, i felt like i couldn't get the air bleed properly. But should be better now with the filler cap higher up :)
I'm guessing that 1bar should see you around 400bhp. 0.6bar I'm thinking about 300-320bhp, but you're not in the efficiency range there the way you are with 1bar
Hey there, nice work there mate :thumbsup:
Reeeeealy want to get my hands on a V6 and have a bit of a play now....
Yeah mate, pics of the trigger wheel\sensor assembly would be cool if ya could get me one :)
Cheers
Paff
I'm guessing that 1bar should see you around 400bhp. 0.6bar I'm thinking about 300-320bhp, but you're not in the efficiency range there the way you are with 1bar
That sounds reasonable. And about 300 at the wheels should do okey for this season
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/48.jpg
That's 1bar overlayed on the compressor graph.
That CFM should see around 400-420bhp depending on tune/afr/ve etc
Awesome work there fella and it looks sexy too.... :thumbsup:
Thanx!
A little update from today:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/08/11.jpg
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TbarTurbo
02-08-2008, 08:11
Very nice... could you reproduce those manifolds and turbo pipe :D
Yep, those manifolds would sell like turbo hot cakes i would imagine.
So are you keeping the old inlet manifold or going with something a bit bigger ?
Very nice... could you reproduce those manifolds and turbo pipe :D
Those manifolds took me forever to make, don't think anyone wants to pay me what i want to start that !"#%&/%/% all over ;)
So are you keeping the old inlet manifold or going with something a bit bigger ?
I was planning on just moving the throttlebody, but after a peek inside the poor oem so-called plenum this happened:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/08/100.jpg
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Testfit:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/08/102.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/08/103.jpg
Piping in the back:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/08/104.jpg
Fabtastic, that's compact as feck.
Proper turbo'd V6's, it's the fricken futahhhhh! Well, at least till we get some big S/C's on the go :P
hmong337
08-08-2008, 02:45
now that there are a good amount of v6'ers, the turbos are starting to pop up on them! good job 3vz-fe! the build looks awesome.
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That's stunning the way you've done that.
Are you mounting the screamer to vent to atmosphere or to recirculate?
Gary Symons
08-08-2008, 07:37
Another very impressive project here on TB :thumbsup: That engine bay looks very tidy.
loadswine
08-08-2008, 12:09
Brilliant looking install. I particularly like the plenum, very neat. :thumbsup:
dgh938peg
08-08-2008, 13:27
Absolutely shit hot mate! That looks feckin Fantastic and amazingly compact.
I take it you're in the Drawing Office with a shop floor background? Loving all the custom pipework. :thumbsup:
Thx all :driving:
That's stunning the way you've done that.
Are you mounting the screamer to vent to atmosphere or to recirculate?
I was planning to do the scream but had to recirc due to the 3,5" DP being a big badass stealing all available space ;)
Absolutely shit hot mate! That looks feckin Fantastic and amazingly compact.
I take it you're in the Drawing Office with a shop floor background? Loving all the custom pipework. :thumbsup:
hehe, you nailed it ;)
What clutch you got in there? Can recommend the RPS Max Puk!
What's the estimated startup date? I'm VERY curious to see how this runs. Will the MegaSquirt control the boost?
I take it you'll run off the wastegate first and map that in and slowly build up to around 1bar?
What clutch you got in there? Can recommend the RPS Max Puk!
I'm running the baddest singleplate from these: http://www.xtremeclutch.com.au/
Experience from a friends 1uz turbo says it'll slip around 550-600 Nm @ the wheels. So will have to go for a twinplate next time
What's the estimated startup date? I'm VERY curious to see how this runs. Will the MegaSquirt control the boost?I take it you'll run off the wastegate first and map that in and slowly build up to around 1bar?
Ooo, the curiosity is about do be my death now a days :D Hopefully next weekend, if the wiring comes along okey. Pressurewise the only thing i think of right now is to stay at 0.6 bar spring pressure, to avoid mass destruction :p
2 pics from today, just need to surface the t.b.flange, glassblast and throw some paint on it
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/08/105.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/08/106.jpg
Ooo, the curiosity is about do be my death now a days :D Hopefully next weekend, if the wiring comes along okey. Pressurewise the only thing i think of right now is to stay at 0.6 bar spring pressure, to avoid mass destruction :p
TPS controlled boost, you know you want it ;)
Well, eventually of course rotflmao
I'm liking the custom plenum too :)
Subscribed, excellent install matey!
If only I'd concentrated more on the fabrication side of things during my apprenticeship, rather than the machining/fitting :cadet:
dgh938peg
09-08-2008, 10:31
The plenum is lovely mate! funny how you can spot another guy in the D/O quite easily! Tis my background too.
It's alive. :driving: Was alive last weekend as well, but i had a problem with the clutch slamming into the clutch housing. Anyone experienced that? My measurements found the total clutch and fly assy (fidanza & extremeclutch) to sit 4mm further into the clutch housing that stock 3s-gte fly and clutch.. So i had to pull down the gearbox and put a shim between the gearbox and engine... Well, now its back together and here are some crappy shots of the startup today, but atleast you get the sound: :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmN5t2ca6kU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egBUK-KhcGQ
Paul Woods
24-08-2008, 10:02
that build is amazing,love the exhaust manifolds and the plenum...that thing is going to fly.
Great fabrication work there,looks amazing.Well done.
Looks superb. Let's get it mapped up and road worthy!
Those manifolds took me forever to make, don't think anyone wants to pay me what i want to start that !"#%&/%/% all over
Out of interest,what would you charge?
aha, thats where the turbo project hangs out !. nice work.
Have you changed the internals?
Thanks all :) been driving it around since sunday, just love it. And the sound is just magic, very quiet and powerfull sound. :) Not quite finished with the watersystem for the i/c thou so it hasn't seen any boost yet.
Out of interest,what would you charge?
$3000? :D Just took too much time making those that it's worth doing over...
aha, thats where the turbo project hangs out !. nice work.
Have you changed the internals?
The engine is still unopened, has about 120000km on the counter
welsh_kroozer
28-08-2008, 11:11
will be good to see how much power this makes and how long it lasts
If he's done the HG's and he's got a good tune, I'm guessing 320bhp @ 7psi at about 380 @ 1bar (14.5psi).
Getting the heads nicely ported will further increase that yield!
Haven't touched the HG's :) We'll see how it goes, i will not cut corners on the mapping anyway.
Can we have lots of info on the mapping please chief? (What's your name btw?)
The IC is up and running, did a tiny bit og street tuning at 0.3 bar late yesterday... Think this is going to be VERY nice even at 0.6 :drool: Turbo is quite loud.. Like: *sssssSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!S!S!!S-FLAFFFFF-FLAFF-FLAFF-FLAFF-FLAFF!! :twisted:
Too bad it rained today, the tires don't have the best grip in the wet. And the dynapack looks to be too crowded this week.. But i did plan to do most of the fuel tuning on the street anyway, hope it will dry up soon. The map i run now is very safe and way too rich at 0.5 bar, drops below 10 a/f and bogs so will lean it up to 11,5 :)
-Erling :)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/09/16.jpg
mmm progress is gooooooood
keep it coming man!
Absolutely beautiful work there! What are the standard internals in the 3vz good for?! I'd love to go down this route with my car at some stage after I get my engine in and drive it for a while. If I did it right after I get it finished, the girlie would go bonkers.
I see your plastic nipple (oh errr...) on one of the cam covers has broken off and you've fitted an ally aircraft fitting in there instead. When you tapped it, how did you flush all the swarf outa the cam cover? I'm going to have to head down the same route.
Bevan
With a nice turbo like the GT35R, proper intercooling (or chargecooling) and a standalone, I'm saying you'd get getting 400bhp ish.
Some boundaries need to be pushed :)
Wholy fuckety fuck. I'd have thought it'd blow the shite outa the pistons rods and HG's by that point.That's some serious ooomph. 300 would keep me very happy. I wonder how hard it would be to do a similar setup but stash the A2W somewhere in the engine bay? Perhaps squeeze it between the front bank and the engine bay hood or something? I'm really keen to wind up going down this route. Would shred my S54 though wouldn't it?
I must get myself on a course to learn basic welding. Sooooo many times I've popped into the local garrage to get them to weld stuff for me. I'd love to produce stuff like this. You clearly take some real pride in your work.
3vz-fe, where'd you put your A2W radiator?! In the stock MR2 turbo spot?
Bevan
TheGasMan
02-09-2008, 14:43
3VZ-FE how do you feel about swapping brains? Im good with computers and I can program in VB and C++... fair swap for all that car knowledge you got? :thumbsup:
Oh I make a sick Chicken Casserole too :)
Also, what are those exhaust connectors you're using?! They look exactly like the connectors they use on pneumatics and de-icing systems on aircraft...
Bevan
VBand is quite popular on turbos these days. Someone not a million miles from this article has them all over his car too ...
I see your plastic nipple (oh errr...) on one of the cam covers has broken off and you've fitted an ally aircraft fitting in there instead. When you tapped it, how did you flush all the swarf outa the cam cover? I'm going to have to head down the same route.
Bevan
Both camcovers are modified with 10 AN plumbing. To get behind the under covers/plates i milled down the oem rivet "bolts" holding them, cleaned thoroughly underneath, drilled and popped on the covers with the tool below. (whatever name that has in english) ;)
http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~koenders/bouten/popnageltang.jpg
I must get myself on a course to learn basic welding. Sooooo many times I've popped into the local garrage to get them to weld stuff for me. I'd love to produce stuff like this. You clearly take some real pride in your work.
3vz-fe, where'd you put your A2W radiator?! In the stock MR2 turbo spot?
Bevan
Welding is easy. You need welding equipment, a 5 minute theoretic course and a lot of practice. :)
The a2w radiator is in the front:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/09/17.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/09/18.jpg
3VZ-FE how do you feel about swapping brains? Im good with computers and I can program in VB and C++... fair swap for all that car knowledge you got? :thumbsup:
Oh I make a sick Chicken Casserole too :)
Maybe we can swap a couple of hours every afternoon? I can't stand to cook dinner ;)
yeah my lasagne is awesome - now swap my engine. :D
The name of that tool is a 'pop rivet gun' - atleast it is in these parts of australia.
This project makes me proud to be a Norwegian;) He is the reason why I went for a 3vzfe rather than a 3sgte last year...keep up the good work.:thumbsup:
Thanks Arne :beer: But it's your project that is a one of a kind on worldwide basis. ;) We should convinced Christian to arrange a session at the airport so we can rip some tires again soon :)
I shot a teaser video at 0.1-0.2 bar from after some tuning today, it ends a little suddenly, for the best teasing effect :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wzyNBGPUgQ
Sounds like the Turbo comes online ok :)
shite... and that's only at 0.1-0.2 bar... immagine the noise at 0.6!
I think that you could push this around 1.0bar, all you need to do is watch the EGT's and AFR's and you can keep going.
0.6bar is going to be nice though
just read this from first post top job there fella keep up the good work:popcorn:
Just blew my rear head gasket after mapping yesterday.... Well, kind of expected that to happen sooner or later anyway...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q4G9aUWYkA
Eeesh, at least you were expecting it.
Make sure you change the thermostat too and a wee extra nip of the headbolts wouldn't go amiss i don't think.
Are u going for standard gaskets or are u getting some of the ferriday (that right?) ones?
Just blew my rear head gasket after mapping yesterday.... Well, kind of expected that to happen sooner or later anyway...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q4G9aUWYkA
My headgasket blew when mapping,got some copper ones made up from ferriday
Eeesh, at least you were expecting it.
Make sure you change the thermostat too and a wee extra nip of the headbolts wouldn't go amiss i don't think.
Are u going for standard gaskets or are u getting some of the ferriday (that right?) ones?
At least i had great fun breaking it. :beer:
I was thinking trying some new oem one's for a quick fix, and ordering in copper one's to put in later, since those require surfacing of block and heads.. Lot more work..
-Think that will work, 0.6 bar on new oem's?
My headgasket blew when mapping,got some copper ones made up from ferriday
-Were those hg's brand new and still broke easily?
-Are you using o-rings with those?
At least i had great fun breaking it. :beer:
I was thinking trying some new oem one's for a quick fix, and ordering in copper one's to put in later, since those require surfacing of block and heads.. Lot more work..
-Think that will work, 0.6 bar on new oem's?
-Were those hg's brand new and still broke easily?
-Are you using o-rings with those?
Yes they were new,only done a few hundred miles before it was mapped again.
Interesting to know that the OEM headgaskets blow at 0.6... not much.
How much do the copper headgaskets run for? I'm very tempted to give some a shot. I've got my engine in now and sitting on it's mounts with brand new head gaskets. I had the block decked and the heads skimmed. Would be good to do it now and bin the OEM ones before starting the engine and having the new gaskets stick to the block and head surfaces and come to bits. I certainly don't want to have to pull my bottom end to bits again to get out the bits of head gasket. I'd also looooooooooove an excuse to rip the engine out and paint the gearbox. I regret not doing it. :P I definately want to turbo in the future, and by the looks of things, Copper head gaskets are a must.
Whoozy, I see the feriiday gaskets are somehow sealed combustion chambers somehow, but have nothing for the coolant and oil galleries. Did you ring these, or use some form of high tem sealant? Also, what's better, MLS or Copper?
Bevan
Well, i found a rust pit on the sealant surface between a cylinder and a cooling passage on the block, probably been running on pure rust water before i bought it. So there's the weakness and not just the added boost. I did a ghetto repair on the block with liquid metal :D Put the engine back together with new oem seals saturday, beat it the whole sunday on autocross and still works fine. Don't know how long it will last, so i'll be fixing it properly during the winter, probably with copper gaskets just to be sure.
How's the 3vz-fe turbo going? Head gasket holding up? More importantly.... have you got the beast on a dyno yet? :D
Bevan
Still working fine, drive it every day. The coolant "behavior" is immaculate, comparing to even before boosting it, so it's obvious the problem has been there all the time i've had the engine. My dyno buddy is unfortunatly rebuilding his bathroom at the moment but hopefully during the next month i'll have it dyno'd :-D
Still boosting to 0.2bar?
Is it really flying now? :)
The thing makes me happy! Feels punchy and shove's the seat strong up my back. ;) Just love the "I-HAVE-BIGGER-BALLS-THAN-YOU" sound at all speeds :)
And you're not even in the best part of the turbo yet. At 1bar that's just getting going.
You going to increase it slowly?
I'm guessing you'll be about 320bhp at the moment?
I'm not increasing with the oem hg's.. Just don't want to risk it right now.. Perhaps just right before i park it for the winter? ;-)
Yeah, something like that. Educated guesstimate about 280 hp / 400 Nm at the wheels
;) oh yeah ;)
I would love to know what it's putting out. 0.6bar, I'm saying is 310bhp :)
Jiff Lemon
06-10-2008, 15:45
Gobsmacking build. I'm genuine suprised that there hasn't been a flood of posts asking for various shiney bits to be made! Not just the manifolds, I'm impressed by the detailed little touches - The water pipework and turbo stay for example.
And a standard 3vz-fe running on megasquirt? Where's all the details on that! :)
Many thanks Jiff. If anyone have specific questions 'bout the squirt fire away, and I'll try to answer. :)
Yeah mate, pics of the trigger wheel\sensor assembly would be cool if ya could get me one :)
Cheers
Paff
I forgot this in my excitement to get it running, but i'll keep it in mind for when the opportunity arrives
How's she going now? Got a descent tune and dyno run yet? ALso, are you running a S54 or a E153? Also, do you have an LSD?
Bevan
Beautiful build! Detailed and clean.
Do you have somewhere you have documented what went into the megasquirt setup? A lot of us really want to explore this route but there is so much info to consume with the megasquirt. Any info on this would be awesome.
I know you said you are using the edis but what else are you using for your setup? Which megasquirt? Which factory sensors are you using and what GM ones? ect...
How's she going now? Got a descent tune and dyno run yet? ALso, are you running a S54 or a E153? Also, do you have an LSD?
Bevan
Still running great, been driving it every day since the HG replacement. Haven't dyno'ed it yet.. The street tune is descent, but could probably been better fuel economy on cruising. My goal is to at least have it dynoed before parking for the winter. The gearbox is a 95' e153 with a Kaaz diff.
Beautiful build! Detailed and clean.
Do you have somewhere you have documented what went into the megasquirt setup? A lot of us really want to explore this route but there is so much info to consume with the megasquirt. Any info on this would be awesome.
I know you said you are using the edis but what else are you using for your setup? Which megasquirt? Which factory sensors are you using and what GM ones? ect...
Thanks!
My MS is a Megasquirt I Extra purchased from www.turbomotor.dk. Preassembled and ready for inductive pickup (like toyota's) Never did any mod's to this hardware wise.
Spec:
-2-off 12x12 VE tables
-2-off 12x12 IGN tables
-launch control
-knock control
-nos control
-idle control (PWM)
-boost control
-single spark
-Wastedspark
-250kpa mapsensor.
The Edis 6 i purchased complete from ebay US (from a junkyard). The trigger wheel I mounted to the crank, had the inner belt drive milled down and fitted it there. Fitted the pickup sensor as the edis setup pages say. This is the "harderst" to overcome with edis, rest is just wiring according to edis schematics. Only two wires needs hookup to MS, rpm- and advance signal.
To get a tune you need a wideband lambda, mine is the cheap and okey Innovate LC-1. Only one wire to the MS, rest is 12v, ign, grounds etc.
All sensors except lambda and AFM on my N/A setup were the OEM toyota one's: TPS, watertemp and airtemp. I used the software "easytherm" to set up the temp sensors. MS uses MAP signal via vacuum hose so the AFM is thrown away. Together with the turbo install i swapped the airtemp sensor with a GM open air element sensor, for quicker response.
For idle control i only have a manual ball valve right now.
That's about it i think. For tuning i use MegaLogViewer. All the software setup is a lot of work, and can be smart to learn to setup your self to get to know all the "stuff" :driving:
That's top info squire. Thankyou for posting it.
Indeed Olber. Some good stuff.
3vz, with your valve covers, when you pop riveted them on, did you use some washers or something? The holes in the metal cover piece are rather large. I've drilled the riverts out of my spare one and am looking at ways to re-attach it.
Any thoughts on whether a S54 with a Kaaz or similar LSD would handle this sorta oomph? I've heard they're suprisingly strong and that it's the driveshafts that give out. With ~325 rear tyres, perhaps the tyres would loose traction before the tranny gave up. Would make for a mental car. Also, you'd have the advantage of more bellhousing space for the clutch... Any thoughts? I've already invested in some pricey head gaskets for boosting my engine. Think I'd try with a SMT-6 or SMT-7 piggyback and the standard ignition. Distributor might be a bit of an interesting one though where it's positioned.
Bev
Indeed Olber. Some good stuff.
3vz, with your valve covers, when you pop riveted them on, did you use some washers or something? The holes in the metal cover piece are rather large. I've drilled the riverts out of my spare one and am looking at ways to re-attach it.
Any thoughts on whether a S54 with a Kaaz or similar LSD would handle this sorta oomph?
Bev
No, didn't use washers, the heads were big enough :)
Not sure what the s54 could take, but it seems strong. You would have to have a custom, stronger disc made, wouldn't you? As long as you tighten up the gears before launching and not sidestepping the clutch i'd suppose the s54 could hold up quite well
Had it on the weight today. 1280kg w/half tank. Not too bad..
Yeah, something like that. Educated guesstimate about 280 hp / 400 Nm at the wheels
My guesstimate were off by over 50 hp. Making it 335 whp / 431 wNm :fit: And that's only at 0,62-0,67 bar boost ;) It hit's full boost at 3700 rpm (the first run gave 329 whp, that's the street map i've been running)
Dyno video's and sheets to come.
If there was any proof that the GT35R is THE turbo for a steetable MR2 V6, that's it!
Oh, that's 318b/ft @ the wheels :)
Holeeee fuck!
Brilliant results for a "basic" setup.
Cannae wait for these graphs.
Much we looking at for a GT35R John Boy? Bout a grand?
Yea, I'd say about 900 quid plus you'll be needing some oil and water feeds
That makes it viable then, grand for the turbo and 500 bangers for bits.
about the same as a TRD charger.
Only miles better.
Fid for thought.
But don't forget you need to fab the manifolds etc
Ah, yes. There is that.
Am thinking 350 might be the max i'd go for in a Mk1. S/C or Turbo, hmmmm.
Let's see these dyno graphs.
A grand for the turbo is fair enough, but where on earth do you guys buy your bits? I've burnt £5000 on "bits" (not counting the turbo, ems, ignition and engine) ;)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/11/74.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/11/75.jpg
Oh yea, I can well imagine mate
Turbo: £1000 (GT3582R)
Oil and water feeds with restriction lines : £100
Charge/Intercooler: £300
Wastegate: £350 (TiAL)
Manifolds: £1000
Other pipe work: £250
Airfilter: £100
Subtotal: £3100 so far.
Standalone + Mapping: £1200
Boost Control Solenoid: £50
Clutch: £300
Spark plugs: £30
Subtotal: £1680
Total: £4780
And that's just off the top of my head for a basic GT35R build - I bet there's lots more with fittings, washers, nuts, etc - and you're over £5k before you know it.
snowtigger
13-11-2008, 13:55
yes but feel the bhp addictive isnt it.
loadswine
13-11-2008, 14:13
I wonder how that lot would compare with what you'd need for a Rotrex install. i wonder whether not having to get manifolds fabbed for the turbo would swing this in its favour.
Rotrex C38-61 kit is about £1600 IIRC, Nige. You still have to get the oil cooler as well. You'd also need to have it fabbed up to align it off the crank-pulley
£300 for a decent CC really and then it's the usual ECU + Injectors and clutch. (1500ish?)
Still £3k minimum mate. Not cheap this persuit of performance.
Little video. Crappy camera couldn't handle the sound properly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEMtrs3VHDs
very nice sounds indeedy and nice power figures. A question though, the power band seems a bit narrow, I'd have thought with the V6 engine the torque plateau would have been a bit wider. Is this due to the current tuning or a characteristic of turbo'ing V6 motors?
I think the scale of that graph makes it look narrower than it really is, but
- at 0.6bar, the GT35R isn't at the maximum efficiency
- the cams are not ideal for the higher revs
- it's a road tune on it. There's more to come :)
- it's a road tune on it. There's more to come :)
Well, the road tune gave 329 whp. After a couple of hours on the dyno we only squeezed an other 6 whp. ;)
The most important thing we did on the dyno was to smooth out the curves. But there will be more to come next year if there is more money left after a full respray +++ :) Not risking more hp on the oem hg's, so either ferriday's, or cometic's if the busy canadian dude get's them prodused
:)
Theres lots to come from that engine though :)
Is it on standard internals?
How much do you think they'll take.
Well, according to ToeKnee, who's had a good look at them, bout 400 should be a ok. :thumbsup:
Nice. What about the 1mz does anyone actually know what these will do?
There was a guy in Australia. Tristan, from WTFAuto, he's compound charged a 1MZ and run about 12psi and run it hard and it was ok till he played a bit more.
Somebody needs to put a GT35R on a 1MZ... :)
Any idea what power he was up at
IIRC it was 290whp. There's a huge thread on the MR2OC.COM
I'll have a look at that then.
Wouldn't mind getting up to about that myself.lol
He got the 1MZ to 370whp? fuck me, that's impressive.
Aye on standard internals. Unopened engine.
He blew the ringlands after a short period of 370.. But a very impressive build that one. He just need some stronger piston/rods and it'll be exiting to see how much he can push
Nice to know the rods and head were ok @ that power!
MRV6, take note!
Not surprised at over 400 at the fly I have heard that up to 350 at the fly would be ok though.
That's about 430bhp @ the fly, assuming the standard 17% tranmission loss
That's an awful lot on the 1mz:blowup:
I've been youtubed. :beer: First 1:50 minutes is one angry sweet 3sgte, and some 3vz turbo after that :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl7f7XzuV_8&fmt=18
Sounds lovely and smooth and on standard internals and gaskets , how much boost are you running ? any plans to turn it up or is that an engine rebuild away ? Me wants a boosted 3vz :rolleyes:
Sounds lovely and smooth and on standard internals and gaskets , how much boost are you running ? any plans to turn it up or is that an engine rebuild away ? Me wants a boosted 3vz :rolleyes:
I'm running 0,65 bar boost, not sure i dare upping it before better HG's at least.. The video is from last summer, looking forward to take it out of the garage during springtime :jump::jump: This winter i'm most focused on getting a paint job done, and fixing all the little things (like speedo, rpm, boostcontrol, etc-etc)
ukpaisley
03-01-2009, 15:26
Its quite funny when you got on boost there in the small car park !, dam thing nearly took off !
angelmon
27-01-2009, 08:02
That's an awful lot on the 1mz:blowup:
lol his over 500hp now at 16psi
Hey matey - are there any updates on this lovely motor? I'm aching to see what it'll produce @ 1bar!!
Johnny, here's an update, some bits slammed down my mailbox the other day :) Evil bits :)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/06/37.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/06/38.jpg
Thats going to be sweet! What gaskets are those?
Evil bits indeed :D
How far are you going to wind it up? I'd guess that your limit with the forgies in there (and appropriate fuelling) will be the turbo?
That turbo will run 1.5bar all day long. I'm guessing north of 500bhp :)
MkII_5SFE
05-06-2009, 11:46
very impressive, its inspiring enough to make me want to turbo my future 3vz
Thats going to be sweet! What gaskets are those?
The gaskets are Ferriday bimetal
Evil bits indeed :D
How far are you going to wind it up? I'd guess that your limit with the forgies in there (and appropriate fuelling) will be the turbo?
My first limit with these installed will be clutch. Not sure how far i will go powerways, but it's allways nice to have a safe setup with strong part, even if limits are far away. The best thing is to have good power without risking reliabiliy.
I think i will chicken out on the south of 500 for now. ;) These parts will not be installed untill winter anyway
Clutch wise, if you're not going carbon, then I'd go for the RPS Max Puk - that's what I've got. Rated for 520lb/ft.
Brakes installed lately. Front kit from WolfKatz Engineering LLC (http://www.wolfkatz.com/) with 323mm supra disc, a moderate wilwood 4 piston caliper w/bracket for MR2, new hoses, Porterfield r4s pads for street and Raybestos Racing for track. Due to poor caliperclearance in frontwheels i had to add a 5mm spacer and swap the studs in the front hub/boss for some longer ones.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/06/102.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/06/103.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/06/104.jpg
The rear is uprated with 323mm RX8 front discs and 92+ standard calipers. Me and a friend (with two mr2s) had 3 sets made up of these for our self, in aluminium (7075 T6) These move the OEM +93 calipers to fit the rx8 discs. Also had to fab a centre ring for the mazda disc to seat properly on the toyota hub
Machining on friends favor:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/06/105.jpg
Anodized:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/06/106.jpg
Calipers from powder coating:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/06/107.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/06/108.jpg
Braking performance is excellent! Recommend the wolfkatz kits, he also have the rear kits in store :)
Clutch wise, if you're not going carbon, then I'd go for the RPS Max Puk - that's what I've got. Rated for 520lb/ft.
That's about 700 Nm, pretty decent. Never thought a single plate could hold that much. Not sure how much mine can take really, guessing 550-600 Nm based on a friends experience with the same one. Think i will keep the one i have at least one more year. I'll wait for your numbers on the 5vz, and be sure to let me know if your happy with the RPS :) (Unless i bump over a cheap twin plate)
That's about 700 Nm, pretty decent. Never thought a single plate could hold that much. Not sure how much mine can take really, guessing 550-600 Nm based on a friends experience with the same one. Think i will keep the one i have at least one more year. I'll wait for your numbers on the 5vz, and be sure to let me know if your happy with the RPS :) (Unless i bump over a cheap twin plate)
Yea, I'll report back when it's all eventually done and mapped, etc.
Did i just read "eventually"? That's not right. Should be "when it's all done, mapped and whipped"
Agreed? :)
Did i just read "eventually"? That's not right. Should be "when it's all done, mapped and whipped"
Agreed? :)
Suppose so lol
Looking great :thumbsup:
One question though; whats the advantage of using the rx8 disk? If its just bigger then the rev2 stock disks, will the brake pads cover the entire disks? If they dont youll get a ring of dirt/rust around the centre ring.
Looking great :thumbsup:
One question though; whats the advantage of using the rx8 disk? If its just bigger then the rev2 stock disks, will the brake pads cover the entire disks? If they dont youll get a ring of dirt/rust around the centre ring.
Ae he says in post 146 ....
These move the OEM +93 calipers to fit the rx8 discs. Also had to fab a centre ring for the mazda disc to seat properly on the toyota hub
He's had brackets made to align the caliper correctly with the disc and allow the full pad coverage
The pad doesn't cover the entire contact area of the disc. So I understand what Hmmmm is saying about the build up of rust etc.
The spacer is to move the caliper out to allow fitment of a larger diameter disc. I think where the benefit comes from is each rotation of the larger disc provides a longer contact time with the pads, hence better braking.
Well aye, it's easier to stop a bike wheel spinning from grabbing the outer part than it is to try and stop it from the inside near the centre.
Same thing for brakes.
Ok i can understand the better braking die to larger rotors.. but if youve got a monster mk2 with rims/coils/paint/brakes etc, is it acceptable to drive around with a ring of rust on youre rotors? I would rather have smaller rotors :confused:
Don't think it'd be an issue if they are lookled after. If they get rusty, use some brake cleaner and a wire-brush and get them looking like new again.
Well aye, it's easier to stop a bike wheel spinning from grabbing the outer part than it is to try and stop it from the inside near the centre.
Same thing for brakes.
You nailed it there. Also, since the disc area is so much larger it takes A LOT longer for the brakes to overheat :)
Ok i can understand the better braking die to larger rotors.. but if youve got a monster mk2 with rims/coils/paint/brakes etc, is it acceptable to drive around with a ring of rust on youre rotors? I would rather have smaller rotors :confused:
I see your point, my main reason for bigger brakes were BETTER brakes, not nessesary better looking. ;) But I actually sprayed the whole front of the disc with silver heatresistant paint before assembling, thats why they don't shine in the picture. Remains to see how long that will last thou, but they haven't rusted yet after 3-4000 km. Worst case, its not much work to glassblast them and respray later. :)
MkII_5SFE
13-07-2009, 07:55
I love this thread.
I really hope to have my own 3vzfe turbo someday.
I love this thread.
I really hope to have my own 3vzfe turbo someday.
I'd just follow everything he's done here - perfectly executed!
Cracking build and car mate:praise2::praise2:
Do you have the part nos. for those wilwood calipers? Trying to source some from the states.
Thanks guys, you're the best :praise2:
The calipers are Wilwood Narrow Mount Dynapro 120-9733 If your rims have good clearance you can fit the bigger Wilwood Forged Billet Superlight 120-8466 Price is almost the same. More info here: http://www.wolfkatz.com/proddetail.php?prod=G_StageII_Front_Calipers_Wilwo od
What power did you make back when it was NA and running on the MS? Do you happen to have any dyno graphs? I'm about to start down a similar project and just wondering if you managed to extract any more power than with the standard ECU.
What power did you make back when it was NA and running on the MS? Do you happen to have any dyno graphs? I'm about to start down a similar project and just wondering if you managed to extract any more power than with the standard ECU.
I made 179 hp at the hubs as N/A: http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m80/3vz-fe/?action=view¤t=3vz-fe_dyno-1.jpg
Are we seeing your get more motivated to up the power? :)
Any chance youd be willing to share the 3d drawings of the manifolds?
Are we seeing your get more motivated to up the power? :)
I'm putting in a "new" 3vz-fe with the forged stuff innit this spring. :) Gonna have to try 1 bar then. But most important now is paint, so i've started pulling it apart.
Any chance youd be willing to share the 3d drawings of the manifolds?
Humm, maybe later..
I'm putting in a "new" 3vz-fe with the forged stuff innit this spring. :) Gonna have to try 1 bar then
Well, seeing as the engine is coming out, you might as well up the power ;)
Any updates on the beast? Cant wait to see what the 3vzfe is capable of with forged internals!
dgh938peg
23-03-2010, 14:38
Out of interest, what are you doing head-wise? Doubt fibre gaskets will be up to the job....
You have Ferriday or i know somebody turning out copper ones...
See previous page, Ferriday it is..
dgh938peg
23-03-2010, 15:01
Aye! if that's a pair of calipers that IS the bargain of the century! and i WILL buy a pair!
What calipers? Wrong Thread?
dgh938peg
23-03-2010, 15:26
Thanks guys, you're the best :praise2:
The calipers are Wilwood Narrow Mount Dynapro 120-9733 If your rims have good clearance you can fit the bigger Wilwood Forged Billet Superlight 120-8466 Price is almost the same. More info here: http://www.wolfkatz.com/proddetail.php?prod=G_StageII_Front_Calipers_Wilwo od
These ones from previous page hmmmmm
Ah sorry my short&long term memory is like a.....like a... you know...
The price is great, but im not sure if you need brackets.
' The WolfKatz Front Brackets can work with two different Wilwood caliper styles. ' So i dont think you can just get the $310 calipers and slam them on?
Got a quick reply from wolfkatz. There is no way to use the willwood calipers as a straight swap on the mk2. SO they will only work with the bigger rotors and wolfkatz brackets. So thats 310 for the calipers, around 350 for the brackets and then theres the stainless lines etc.
Back on-topic:
Any updates, are you still driving this @ 0.6bar?
dgh938peg
12-04-2010, 15:58
Am a reading that right?
I remember the $310 caliper post - but they want another $350 for a couple of poxy brackets?
:hijack:
Yep thats about it, check http://www.wolfkatz.com/products.php?cat=25
Here you can see option 1, its just the brackets wich cost $325, they reposition the 93 callipers (or the wilwood's) so the bigger rotors will fit. And the willwoods also require stainless brake fluid lines (says so further down the product page)
If you want the full package: (option II)
Willwood calipers
Brackets
stainless lines
supra rotors
$980,-
Dont get me wrong, its dead cheap for a complete big brake kit! But i also agree the brackets are quite expensive, but custum work usually is :)
Might be better to get the calipers, and see if the brackets can be made a bit cheaper. Get some supra rotors and stainless lines of ebay and you're good to go :driving:
Hi, it's been a while since i logged on here. But right now the car is in pieces, everything that's not welded has been removed, and all red is to be painted Aston Martin Tungsten silver. No deadline on this job, so we'll see how long it takes. Hopefully back together this year. :-)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/05/53.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/05/54.jpg
Colour:
http://images2.auction123.com/6795af72-270d-4ff4-8972-a14e58794eef/SCFBB03B87GC04776/01.jpg
That. Is. Going. To. Look. A M A Z I N G!
:D
snowtigger
09-05-2010, 21:10
Loving the color you do realize that to get that depth they put about 14 coats on but you have ages so get cracking that mk2 in that color will be amazing.
Hi, whif the Arias piston you buy what will you have for compression ratio ?
Have you some more picture of Ferriday HG ? I just buy the same and i be very curious ... Lol
Thanks
How is the color change coming?
Hi, whif the Arias piston you buy what will you have for compression ratio ?
Have you some more picture of Ferriday HG ? I just buy the same and i be very curious ... Lol
Thanks
Not sure.. They are rated 9,6:1 but i think they are lower. Will have to measure when mounted.
How is the color change coming?
:icon_smile: These are from august:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/10/64.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/10/65.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/10/66.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/10/67.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/10/68.jpg
And these pic's are newer:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/10/69.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/10/70.jpg
My vintercar has been stealing a lot of my time lately so progress is not impressive on the 2 after the paintjob..
dgh938peg
18-10-2010, 08:23
That's just teasing us with those pics!!!
That's as close to a new Mr2 as you're going to get!
Excellent effort squire.
Great Pics, Mouth is still on the floor. Great looking progress.
This thread is sooo full of win! It's officially my favorite thread of anything in the Internet. 3VZ-FE are there any updates?
bigpitty1
30-12-2011, 14:32
HOLY!!! :eusa_drool:
I just read the whole thread, looks so good, makes me want to work on my car now but its midnight so I might go to sleep and maybe try tomorrow
cdwood2010
30-12-2011, 16:51
HOLY!!! :eusa_drool:
I just read the whole thread, looks so good, makes me want to work on my car now but its midnight so I might go to sleep and maybe try tomorrow
Real men don't sleep when there's cars to be built!
;)
C.
sturobturbo
15-01-2012, 08:38
just read, from start to finish. awesome! lol. i cannot wait to come home and start playing with my 3VZ!!
Wish this thread had some updates :D
I can only imagine where this care is now
Bryce_82
22-11-2012, 11:18
Just read start to finish, safe to say I'm super keen to chuck a turbo charged 3VZ-FE into my own two one day :D
Gonna start saving now, being only 17, I've got much to learn before I'll handle that power!!
Excellent read, hope to see some updates!
I cannot believe how much money you've spent on the car... Unreal & I wish I had your job...
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