Ki's mk1 turbo swap

[Paul Woods]

Next in is Ki's mk1 3s-gte powered beasty....rev2 clip this one with a chargecooler to boot....should be tasty!

Heres ki's car...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/52.jpg

And the horribleness that exists in the engine bay currently...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/53.jpg

Later on it was all disconnected....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/54.jpg

And soon after on the floor....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/55.jpg

Then off with the battery tray and engine mounts....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/56.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/57.jpg

Lots to come including an engine bay repaint in the same colour as the car :thumbsup:

[Charged]

Woo hoo, will be watching this one with interest!!!

[biteme]

Indeed ... the before and after on this should be staggering!

[TbarTurbo]

saw this on the webcam... and needless to say i started feeling jealous and switched it off!

[TheGasMan]

Chargecoolers ftw? :confused:

[Paul Woods]

jack ,chargecoolers sit on top of the engine instead of an intercooler,they water cool the intake charge instead of an air cooled intercooler set up.

[rattymr2]

and you get a mahoosive amount of boost at 3K. normal intercooler you get about 4-5 psi, on my charge cooled set up it is about 12psi boost (every time too not just 1st and 2nd plant of the foot). cant read the gauge as need to keep eyes on road.

hate the colour of Ki's car though. Black ffs.

[Mistertwokw]

First time i have been on since dropping it off, aleays wondered what it would be like watching my own car being given the woodsport treatment!!

Dead excited about this, especially since it will be my second 1.5, i kinda know what to look forward to...
Just sorry my car is so dirty after the drive up!

Ratty mate i know how you hate black cars, thats why i did it !!

[dgh938peg]

Will be watching this one! best o luck!

[Paul Woods]

today the rear wall got its access panel section removed....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/62.jpg

The petrol tank was also dropped and the old 4age pump removed....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/63.jpg

Also the engine and gearbox were removed from the half clip ki delivered a few months ago....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/64.jpg

[biteme]

Strip down and degrease is it tomorrow Mrs Woods?

[Paul Woods]

indeed gasket... a good strip down and degrease.... then when im clean i will start work :)

[rattymr2]

is ki having a new head gasket going on. if so will it be a cometic one as i am sure he is planning future mods.

[Paul Woods]

you mean a MLS one? ive spoken to ki about this and his future mods,a stock fibre gasket will be fine,the mating surfaces on a MLS gasket have got to be perfect,block too...ive heard of people having lots of problems using them.So we will replace the gasket with a good quality fibre one.

[Paul Woods]

today ki's engine mounts went in....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/84.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/85.jpg

things are still in the rough n ready stage,but after this is all cleaned,seam sealed and painted it will look the dogs boolax

[Huub]

... it will look the dogs boolax

Can somebody translate this in Dutch? ;)

[dgh938peg]

Can somebody translate this in Dutch? ;)


Basically means it will look really good! dogs boolax

To quote Oxford English Dictionary;
informal; bollocks; meaning testicles, hanging items between a male dog's legs. eg "Wow mate, you shoehorned a 6.3 litre Chevvy V8 into an MR2 and twin-turbo'd it! That is the dogs bollocks"

At least i think that's what it says?

Or in true Dutch a la freetranslation.com

Achtervolgt testikels

[Paul Woods]

today we got the boot wall finished and everything seam sealed up...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/95.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/96.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/97.jpg

Also stripping of ki's turbo engine began...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/98.jpg

Only to reveal a bit of a problem,loads of oil poured out of numbers 2 and 3 cylinders when we took the plenum off....suspected catastrophic turbo seal failure,we will know more when the head comes off but for now it looks like it needs a replacement blower.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/99.jpg

[biteme]

Is this a CT26 or a CT20?

Either way, I'd go for a replacement CT20, hold more boost for longer. Give Ki some staggering performance

[Paul Woods]

ct26 J.... niks old ct26 is here which we have permish to use,so that might be what happens,all pending the outcome of the head removal of course

[dgh938peg]

That's a sh1t-load of oil! Not good

[rattymr2]

or go for a CT26 hybrid. there is one on the bay at mo for £309 it looks like an xs power one

[Tom G]

that could be a good thing - CT20 are soo much better, CT26 are such a bottleneck, will give you 0.7bar max at high revs - not so good! there must be one floating about on imoc/gt4oc edit: or the hybrid
Will be watching the chargecooler install with interest :popcorn:

[Charged]

that could be a good thing - CT20 are soo much better, CT26 are such a bottleneck, will give you 0.7bar max at high revs - not so good! there must be one floating about on imoc/gt4oc edit: or the hybrid
Will be watching the chargecooler install with interest :popcorn:

My CT26 hybrid is a beast! holds boost all the way to the redline :thumbsup:

[biteme]

If you want go to insane - GT28RS :P

[EarL]

If you want go to insane - GT28RS :P
Spot on J. :thumbsup:

Thats what I'd go for. GT2860RS. Quicker spool than either of the CT's but with the potential to make over 350 at the wheels. Got to be a no brainier if you can afford it... ;)

[biteme]

Yep, the Gt3071 might just be a bit too much for a rusty wedge lol

[Mistertwokw]

Oi! less of the rusty wedge mr J:moon: , i'll have you know that my wedge is mostly metalrotflmao ,

Will be saving for a hybrid me thinks, unless a ct20 comes up at the right price... just hoping it is just the turbo thats buggered!

[Paul Woods]

well after an inspection today it looks like its just the turbo,we cant see any reason for oil flooding the middle two cylinders,which were full of oil too when we took the head off.

So its got to be the turbo seals that have gone.

[Mistertwokw]

can i uncross my fingers and toes now mr Woods?

Have had a peek at the turbo on e bay(see the other thread), anybody got any thoughts on that?

[Gary Symons]

Yep, the Gt3071 might just be a bit too much for a rusty wedge lol

:hmm: lol

[biteme]

:hmm: lol

lol I hope you're using a standalone if you run one of them ... or it's ...:blowup:

[rattymr2]

Ki,

would the turbo ging explain why the muppet crashed? with regard to replacement turbo's i am sure Ki is looking for one that doesn't require any other mods to get it to fit and working. no ecu changes, manifolds, etc. bolt and go only.

when i was looking at a new turbo i found it very confusing about what is bolt and go on a rev 2 engine. whilst the ct20 is a good way to go from what i recall you will need a new manifold, decat etc (i may be wrong though) but a hybrid CT26 will hold boost to the red line and you can whack it up to 16psi with no other mods if you run a charge cooler.

pity the one on imoc sold so quick

[Mistertwokw]

Good news is i just bought a hybrid ct26 for 180 pounds....will get it delivered to Paul asap.... bring on the boost!!

[Gary Symons]

Good news is i just bought a hybrid ct26 for 180 pounds....will get it delivered to Paul asap.... bring on the boost!!

Cool :thumbsup: maybe a blessing in disguise that the other turbo was fooked then.

[Paul Woods]

here is the state of things now....ki's engine is stripped back and painted...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/141.jpg

and his engine bay is now black....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/142.jpg

turbo fuel pump is also fitted and tank is back on.

[Mistertwokw]

as always paul, cracking work!!

[Shugsta]

Fairly cracking with it Paul :thumbsup: That empty freshly painted black mk1 bay brings back fond memories Ki. Your bound to be getting a tad excited now mate :)

[Whore of Babylon]

Looking better than a well cooked shrimp on a barbie :P i cant wait till i have a MK2 V6 so then i have a spare Gen3 turbo for a MK1 :idea::idea::idea::idea:

[rattymr2]

the black in the engine bay looks much better than the black on the outside of the car. Ki, your cars inside out you tit.

[Mistertwokw]

Bollocks! i knew somthing didn't look quite right...

[TheGasMan]

Ki, mine is going in soon for a Turbo Conversion I want reports galore when you get it back! Want to know how that things moves man.. :thumbsup:

[rattymr2]

it'll nearly be quick.

[Mistertwokw]

it will be quicker than rattys!!

[Charged]

it will be quicker than rattys!!

but not as quick as mine rotflmao

[Mistertwokw]

gonna sabotage yours in the shop mate...simple

[Charged]

gonna sabotage yours in the shop mate...simple

I wont argue with you, you are about 12 foot tall!

[Mistertwokw]

:hehe: , looking forward to seeing yours finished mate, gonna look the badgers nadgers!

[OlberJ]

The paint on the inside and out are matching ya muppets lol

Ki, this is gonna look spot on when it's done. And your car's got plenty metal in it too, looks sweet underneath aswell :thumbsup: Did you have the skirts of etc when it was painted?

Should go like stink with the chargecooler on there too.

[Mistertwokw]

stripped the car completley when it was painted, undersealed everything ainc the cavities so hopefully she is as solid as it gets
i take it you peeked underneath at pauls today?

[Mistertwokw]

Paul,
Had a little think about the angle the engine has been at and it has been tilted to 90 degrees and just over when i was chopping the clip down to size, think that would explain the oil...

[Paul Woods]

its a good posibility ki but it would be unwise to ignore turbo failure i think...its a ton of work to fit another once the engines in.

Little update.... head is back on and new cambelt fitted....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/154.jpg

And cam cover painted...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/155.jpg

Also the plenums been painted too...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/156.jpg

Colour scheme for this one is black,red and silver,should look A1

[biteme]

Taking shape this one :)

[frisp]

I'm still amazed at the standard of the work you lot put out :D
That's looking amazing :)

[Mistertwokw]

:jump: , love seeing nice shiny bits on these swap threads..even better that this one is for me!

Definately having a new turbo on Paul, just trying to think when that oil may have been drained into there otherwise.

Loving this thread, keep jumping on the office comp to catch up on the days work

[OlberJ]

keep jumping on the office comp to catch up on the days work

Dinnae do that, you'll break it lol

[rattymr2]

sorry Ki,

i meant to type rearly quick

[OlberJ]

stripped the car completley when it was painted, undersealed everything ainc the cavities so hopefully she is as solid as it gets
i take it you peeked underneath at pauls today?

Aye, when we were dropping the tank and doing the turbo pump swap i had a good look, should last quite a while that should :thumbsup:

Am getting a "thing" for black Mk1's now.

[Paul Woods]

today saw most of the engine rebuilt....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/164.jpg

those colours are really working and with a black charge cooler on top it will look spot on i reckon.

[biteme]

That car is seriously going to fly, Ki - see the rhyme I did there? Go me.

Careful of the old trousers there in 1st and 2nd - you'll be making full boost with a CC!!

Are you planning to run 15psi?

[jasper]

Coming on a treat mate.

stripped the car completley when it was painted
Twice lol

gonna sabotage yours in the shop mate...simple
Already done that lol I've been over all week, BTW, your second arch is on now Ollie.

[Mistertwokw]

that looks awesome...think i did a little sex wee!

Am planning on running around 13psi or so and if i get on ok with that maybe run 15, have an electronic boost controller going on it so should be easy enough to play around with.

May have to swap my 15" wheels for somthing a little wider, see how i go first.

[biteme]

I think you should look at wider wheels sooner rather than later :)

or a RLTC :)

[Mistertwokw]

always on the look out for wider wheels, just missed out on a set recently, will keep looking though.

Ki

[Paul Woods]

today saw a new clutch fitted (couldnt get that aftermarket one to work ki) and the gearbox bolted to the engine...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/185.jpg

So the only thing stopping the engine going in is the turbo which we are waiting for,hope it arrives tomorrow as we are stuck now.

Also the heatshield has been made for the engine bay....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/186.jpg

[biteme]

Don't you go giving him any GT4094R's!!

[Paul Woods]

well we got the turbo fitted,stock ct26 for now just to get it running.... and then the engine went in,slick as snot...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/236.jpg

[superchargedsam]

looks aweosme as ever!

[Paul Woods]

cheers sam!

[TbarTurbo]

Am getting a "thing" for black Mk1's now.

Dont buy a rusty one!!!:rant:

[Tom G]

yay, chargecooler must be coming soon.....
was there a problem with the hybrid one or didn't it turn up?

[Paul Woods]

it turned up today but we had to get cracking and get the engine hung or the project was in danger of running seriously behind,we already wasted 3 days so ki made the decision to go with the stock turbo for now.

[biteme]

Fair doos ... get it out and tested - then it's nice to see the differences :)

[Paul Woods]

today saw both front and rear torque mounts made..... heres the rear one...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/241.jpg

[Paul Woods]

lots of stuff connected in the engine bay,rad pipes,heater pipes,fuel lines etc...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/253.jpg

And the AFM relocated further over to the left to make more room for the chargecooler gubbins....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/254.jpg

Alternator fitted.....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/255.jpg

And today she got wired up..... still in the birds nest stage... but wired

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/315.jpg

[rattymr2]

And today she got wired up..... still in the birds nest stage... but wired

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg

leave it like that as a reminder to Ki of his first build

[Mistertwokw]

scary scary wires:hidesbehi

[Paul Woods]

and..... ITS ALIVE! she started up today without an exhaust on,just a few loose ends in the engine bay to sort and the chargecooler to paint,followed by some CC rad fitting up front and she's there.

Adding this one to the swap register now ki :thumbsup:

[Mistertwokw]

:jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: , can you tell i'm chuffed yet?

[frisp]

Great stuff :)

[Tom G]

don't skimp on the CC install pics! Interested in rad install and hose routing, pump position :)

[Paul Woods]

here is ki's almost completed bay....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/310.jpg

The CC install was a right bugger,the inlet and outlets didnt line up properly and the rad pipes fouled everywhere! we had to bend this,bend that,fit 90* elbows onto pipes and generally modify loads to get it on,but its fitted...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/311.jpg

Tomorrow the pipes get routed forward onto the CC rad,we have already installed the pump on the front crossmember of the engine bay,and its wired into the COR so it only runs when the engine does.

[biteme]

Nice :)

That thing shouldn't hang around too much... Nik needs that for KYT I think...

[rattymr2]

makes a heeeeooooooge difference i dont understand why people go for an intercooler.

An ST185 core is easier to fit but the 205 core is more efficient.

[MRV6]

Had a look at this on Monday, cracking job:thumbsup: .

[Mistertwokw]

Cracking work as always mate, can't stop grinning at the mo!:jump: