Rich Wakemans mk1 v6 swap

[Paul Woods]

Next up is Mr wakemans mk1 v6,i have to say this is a nice example of a mk1 mr2....very clean all round,me likes...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/262.jpg

and the old 4age...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/263.jpg

Hi! my name is barry scott........ BANG! and the 4age is gone!!!

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/264.jpg

BANG!!! the fuel tank is gone.....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/265.jpg

BANG!!! the firewall is gone.....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/266.jpg

BANG!!! the engine mounts are gone.... well not quite but they will be tomorrow :blabla:

I also redirected the left hand rad hose...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/267.jpg

Wouldnt it be funny if i completed this one as well before olie's done his (ive got his wiring harness,twiddles moustache evily)

[loadswine]

Barry Scott! lol Superb, I can almost hear him shouting the words out.

[Crynox]

Thanks Paul, keep up the good work, I will be watching & awaiting avidly, its great to see you`ve got the engine out already.

[Nige_B]

Nice one! You don't hang about! 8O

I shall be watching this one closely.

[OlberJ]

That can't be Rick Wakeman's car, he'd never fit in there.





Oh right, Rich Wakeman. My mistake lol


As for you Woodsy...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/268.jpg

Ah fffffarrrrt in your general direction!

[OlberJ]

Btw, bloody nice example of a Mk1 there Rich. :thumbsup:

[jimi]

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/263.jpg

Mmmhh I remember a very similar pic from somewhere............:hmm: where was it ???




:idea: I know ..........on my website
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/269.jpg
Snap lol

[OlberJ]

Is this your old car Jimi?

[jimi]

No, but the engine had one of my brackets fitted ;)

[Paul Woods]

is that an early jimi bracket? its not got the mr2 on it? they are very nicely made items those mate,ever thought about doing one for the v6 lads?

reason i ask is the mk2 cable is too long on the v6,so normally i chop the pedal end,adjust the length,job done.... but a nice jimi bracket replacing the stock bracket would be the bizz and you'd get loads of takers.

I can send you a throttle body to piss about with if you like?

Dont feel under any obligation though mate,i understand if its a right chew on.

[Paff]

hmm, yeah that would be cool.

Your brackets are awesome Jimi and of good build.

Might have to buy another one after selling on the last one I had and then buying another mk1 :)

[Crynox]

Btw, bloody nice example of a Mk1 there Rich. :thumbsup:


Cheers buddy, I bought it about a year ago, didnt spend too much time looking, (3rd one I saw), paid quite a bit for it, but I think its worth it compared to the condition of others I see around.:thumbsup:

Rich.

[Paul Woods]

today i pulled the v6 down to the block,note it hasnt had its steam cleaning or painting yet so things still look a bit grotty...but as per usual there is no wear on anything so far,the bores are perfect and all bearing surfaces on the cams are perfect too.

For info this one had 87k on the clock but isnt any better mechanically than some of the higher mileage ones we have used.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/276.jpg

And all of the top end on the bench....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/277.jpg

Lots of block cleaning and painting coming tomorrow.

[EarL]

Wow, that's a pretty thorough strip down Paul. Do all the V6's get that treatment mate?

[Paul Woods]

every v6 gets taken down to the block,only way really

[Paul Woods]

today the mounts came off.... and my jig bolted in place,then the mount sides welded in...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/286.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/287.jpg

then with the jig removed i added the top braces....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/288.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/289.jpg

just the rear wall to weld and dress before bay cleaning,seam sealing and given a fresh coat of white.

[loadswine]

Fascinating stuff,always enjoy seeing the mounts go in. i remember when my ones were put in, its like the first bit of new build after the tearing and grinding out.

Should all be slick whenthe spraying is done, that engine bay should look like new.:thumbsup:

[millentubby]

Wonder how long it'll take him to notice we removed 15mm from the centre of the jig before sending it back ;)

Oooonly joking :D

Looking ace Paul!

I'd better get a move on ;)

[Paul Woods]

today saw the rear wall completed...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/391.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/392.jpg

All the welds in the bay have now been seam sealed and its ready for painting tomorrow.

[Paul Woods]

today i have been mostly having flu,but struggled on as you do.... i got the ported heads back on the block...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/399.jpg

and also got the engine bay primed and painted....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/400.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/401.jpg

plus the postie brought this....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/402.jpg

[loadswine]

Looking very good. The choice of flywheel really makes the engine come to life. I'm really glad I went for one of those on mine. This is turning into a real cracker.

[OlberJ]

Mmmmm, white Mk1V6 goodness. :)

[Conor]

I'm loving the updates! Can't wait to get started on my own. :)

[Huub]

today i have been mostly having flu,but struggled on as you do....

I hope you are not going to get sick on us Paul :sad:

[Crynox]

Looking very good. The choice of flywheel really makes the engine come to life. I'm really glad I went for one of those on mine. This is turning into a real cracker.

Do you think it makes a big difference then ? How noticable is it ? Or is it too hard to say...?

Thanks,

Rich.

[Crynox]

Wow Paul that flywheel looks ace..! Looks good enough to match your work..!:thumbsup:

Cheers,

Rich.

[snowtigger]

try juggling the standard turbo flywheel and the fidanza one, less reciprocating mass=lots more go go go speeding up the throttle response they do it on the turbo why not do it to the v6.

[Paul Woods]

the flywheel makes a noticeable difference under acceleration.

dont worry huub,sickness wont keep me away from work,feeling much better today anyway :thumbsup:

[loadswine]

Good to hear you're feeling perkier Paul.:thumbsup:
With regard to the flywheel, I wasn't sure just how much difference it would make, but I wanted to give it every chance to be as lively as possible and the Fidanza certainly didn't disappoint. It spins up probably better than i'd hoped and feels as revvy as an engine half its size. I think it just gives the conversion that bit of something special. Listen to the vids on youtube, then you might be able to get an idea of its nature, even with a duffer like me at the wheel. lol

[OlberJ]

There's rumours bouncing about that there might be a viable fidanza replacement at some point in the future.

Nothing set in stone, still at the questioning and research stage, and no idea on cost so might not be worth it but will let folk know as soon as i do.

Didn't realise they came that highly recommended tbh, always thought it'd be more noticeable on a higher revving engine.

[Paff]

hmm, could be interested in that Olber. Need to do something more to the V6 :)

[Huub]

But there are also some drawbacks on a light flywheel? Like an instable stationary run? And less "tork" (=not really tork, but more the unwillingness to stop :hehe::) ) at lower revs?

[millentubby]

Yeah the car will be easier to stall, possibly have a less-smooth idle and will decellerate quicker on the over-run when in gear but I'd be willing to sacrifice that for more acceleration.

[Paff]

I agree with Colin on this one :)

[loadswine]

I've not found any significant drawbacks yet with it.

[EarL]

Well, my old motor had pretty much everything lightened internally, including the flywheel, and despite it running some pretty lumpy cams, never stalled once.

...revved a bit quick too. ;)

[msherry21]

my mk1 V6sc had a fidanza fly and it only made it better, I loved the way that thing revved!

[Paul Woods]

today,i got more engine stuff bolted back on,and fitted the new timing belt and new thermostat....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/403.jpg

Now rich is a fan of the honda vtec cam cover look,basically a grainy surface and satin red finish like this..... but obviously not as oily

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/404.jpg

so to get the texture right we apply our old friend mr stone effect paint....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/405.jpg

pink ooh suits you sir :gay: .We will be applying satin red over this when dry to get the same look as the vtec covers.

let it not be said we dont go the extra mile..... next week,how to artex your exhaust :thumbsup:

[black_mk1]

This Fidanza looks different to mine....

Rich's:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/402.jpg

Mine:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/286.jpg

Mine was part no 130881, is Rich's another part number or a new design?

[loadswine]

Love the crackle finish, very stylish! Gonna look great all together.
My Fidanza looked the same as Rich's.

[Crynox]

This Fidanza looks different to mine....

Rich's:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/402.jpg

Mine:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/286.jpg

Mine was part no 130881, is Rich's another part number or a new design?

Mine is part no. 130901-478, from Ultrarev as recomended by Mr Woods. There was a choice of two, so I just picked at random. So no worries buddy, yours should be just as effective. Both weighed the same, just different metals I think.

Cheers,

Rich.

[snowtigger]

i have the same as the bottom picture, it should work as it was tonys 4v6 so if any body should know him and paul have fitted enough of them, i think one is for the alloy engine but both fit the 3vz or i could be blowing smoke rings from my ass again.

[OlberJ]

Welllllll, what gearbox are you's using?

[snowtigger]

turbo rev 1 with rev 3 lsd just got to find some lsd shaftscause the spigot rings wont locate with the ordinary turbo shafts , do rev3 turbos come with lsd as standard or is that just the mk3 mr2,and will a lsd equiped celica suported shaft setup work just as well?.

[Paul Woods]

i think one fidanza is a turbo and the other is an NA

[OlberJ]

That's what i was getting at boss.

Now here's a thought, if you're going for the Mk2 N/A box with Mk3 LSD, is there suitable celica shafts to go in there?

Did they do celica shafts with an LSD at all?

[Paul Woods]

mk2na,mk3 and any celica NA shafts all have the same fitment at the diff and at the hubs,hows that for a gem of info.So this mk3 LSD idea will suit any mk2 box'd conversion... except for tubbies who have their own LSD's anyhoo

[snowtigger]

so celica st205 lsd equiped use the same shafts as a turbo mk2 then or is it just mk2 turbo lsd shafts that i will have to be taken ruffly from behind because they are that rare or hard to find.

[Paul Woods]

the celica lsd turbo shafts fit but they are 15mm longer each than turbo ones,so you would either need to use the celica supported shaft as well or a camry v6 auto supported shaft set up works too.

[Paul Woods]

i got the front heatshield made up....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/4.jpg

and got some paint onto the textured cam covers... the colour is exactly the same as honda vtec red,just my bloody camera making it look orange!!!

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/5.jpg

[EarL]

Does it have the same crackle finish too Paul? If so, I'd might consider that on mine...

[Paul Woods]

yep sure does,if you read page 1 you will see the textured paint we put on before the colour coat

[Paul Woods]

today i got lots of engine parts prepared,so the engine will be built up pretty quickly.So far the centre plenum is back on with the fuel rails and injectors.

This pic shows the true colour and texture of the cams covers now...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/9.jpg

[gtech]

With all these "Works of Art" produces, I keep expecting to hear he has gone the whole hog and cut his ear off ;-)

[Crynox]

That looks great Paul, thanks very much!:D

[snowtigger]

oooh im liking the effect on these cam covers a lot paul, i think thats nearly the look i will go for on mine.

[EarL]

Looks really good Paul. Yet another string to your bow. Honda looking cam covers! Cool!! :shades:

[MRV6]

Really like the look of that mate. You should register it, afore some one nicks it from you!

[biteme]

Nah, they did it first Phil .. fuckin cunthorses them lot!

[Poohbear]

Saw this today too...colour is luscious and is the exact Honda colour, love the plenum colour choice too.

Bob

[OlberJ]

Did you pick it up then Rich?

[Crynox]

Did you pick it up then Rich?


Not yet, end of the month, starting to get excited though! Not even been in a Mk1 V6 so should be quite a nice surprise!!

[Paul Woods]

rich's engine is almost ready for install... here it is almost fully dressed...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/50.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/51.jpg

I do like the vtec theme to this one a lot.

[biteme]

Who needs VTEC when we have ACIS :)

[Paul Woods]

today we fitted the fidanza flywheel and new clutch assembly....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/70.jpg

And here is richs cleaned and painted gearbox....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/71.jpg

Which was then bolted to the gearbox and the whole lot installed onto the engine dolly ready for fitting tomorrow..... note we leave the plenum off to get it into the mk1 bay...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/72.jpg

[Huub]

Looks very nice. This engine is also a piece of art!

[Whore of Babylon]

Can you leave a plenum on when putting it into a mk2?

[Paul Woods]

yes wob the v6 can be fully built when fitting to a mk2,things are just a little narrow in the bottom of the mk1 bay so we need to install it without the plenum

[Whore of Babylon]

And second question can you drop a 1MZ through the top of the bay? with/without the plenum.

[Paul Woods]

yep the whole v6 thats 3vz or 1mz can be fitted from the top,but its very tight.

[Paul Woods]

engine is now in,not a lot more to say about that....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/86.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/87.jpg

nice eh?

[biteme]

Very clean ... as soon as that rear bulkhead is reattached, it will look factory!

[Paul Woods]

thats a spark plug access hatch you buffoon..... oh i get it,sarcasm :)

[superchargedsam]

nice view there for sure!

[loadswine]

:thumbsup: Well slick! :thumbsup:

[Whore of Babylon]

Very impresive

[Jiff Lemon]

You missed the ACIS valves off Paul lol

Top cover being left off this one? Think it'd look better without on this one.

[EarL]

Got to agree there Jiff. That looks utterly breathtaking as it is. Love the colours.

[Paul Woods]

today we got loads done... rear torque mount fabrciated...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/88.jpg

And the front torque mount done,this gets a polybush fitted for added engine stability...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/89.jpg

Also got the starter fitted,fuel lines,speedo cable, and heater pipes...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/90.jpg

Both radiator pipes connected up and alternator fitted....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/91.jpg

Wiring should be tomorrow along with gear cable mods.... not long to go really.

[biteme]

Will be out the door soon at this rate

[Paul Woods]

sorry jiff,missed your post mate,yep its getting a top cover,but i agree this one looks the biz without a cover.

[jezz]

this previously was my much loved mk1, i was the second owner from new before rich bought it from me, and now its becoming a BEAST !

[Paul Woods]

indeed it is jezz! welcome to TB by the way

[Paul Woods]

today saw the car wired up and ecu mounted....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/138.jpg

then i modified the shifter linkages,the keener eyed among you will see the right cable now attaches to the front of the stick rather than the rear of it,meaning the cable doesnt need cutting

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/139.jpg

also i made an AFM to TB pipe with the ISCV and cam breather fittings on it,this is needed on a mk1 V6 to take the AFM piping away from the strut tower

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/140.jpg

tomorrow is battery relocation and hopefully start up.

[frisp]

Top job Paul, looking smart as :D

[Huub]

Looks nice:thumbsup:, this "neighbour"-car

[Crynox]

Looks nice:thumbsup:, this "neighbour"-car

As does yours buddy!

Bet your getting excited too!

Only 12 days to go!

Thanks Paul:blabla:

[Paul Woods]

well i made the battery tray today,ran the cable rearward and connected everything up....turned the key and it wouldnt start!!! Not the norm we expect at woodsport... turned out some numpty had timed the cambelt up on the rear bank several teeth out,yes i made a mistake! there im out.

After that was rectified she ran sweet,just waiting for the exhaust silencer to arrive and thats swap completed.

Adding your name to the swap register now rich :thumbsup:

[frisp]

Good job Paul :D

[Crynox]

Thanks Paul, thats great, Im glad it started up Ok. :thumbsup: I will get on to the exhaust guy to try and hurry it to you.

[Paul Woods]

while waiting for the exhaust to arrive i got a few ends tidied up,here is the battery relocation....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/162.jpg

And the air filter fitted with a support bracket for the AFM....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/163.jpg

Just the top cover to paint and the bay is complete

[Paul Woods]

today was spent exhausting.... so im very tired tonight,badum tish.... here all week....

heres the all new improved downpipes with free flowing Y pipe....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/228.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/229.jpg

And the rear lambda relocation.... necessary because mk1 v6's arent rear lambda friendly on the rear crossmember....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/230.jpg

The system as it looks from under the car....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/231.jpg

And from the rear...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/232.jpg

It sounds silky smooth on this system,with a nice rasp when revved,i like it.

[Shugsta]

That exhaust is stonkin' :thumbsup:

[Huub]

Looks nice! Those four ends suit the MK1 very good :thumbsup:

[loadswine]

Nice plumbing! :thumbsup:

[OlberJ]

I reckon an Autostyle arse end on there would suit that doon to the groon.

[superchargedsam]

for sure it would olie! :hidesbehi

[millentubby]

MMMmmmmmmmmm.....nice downpipe :)

[frisp]

Was watching Paul's feverish activity. Nice to see such a good result. :D

[Paul Woods]

Was watching Paul's feverish activity

stalker alert! you werent sitting outside my house with binoculars frisp i hope? look its mine and i can wash it as fast as i like ok! :)

[frisp]

stalker alert! you werent sitting outside my house with binoculars frisp i hope? look its mine and i can wash it as fast as i like ok! :)

Washed & polished :D

[Mistertwokw]

What exhaust system is that? loving it!

[OlberJ]

for sure it would olie! :hidesbehi

You getting anywhere with that stuff chief? Or it still on the to do list?

[superchargedsam]

You getting anywhere with that stuff chief? Or it still on the to do list?

Have a look on top of the spray booth olie and you will see ;)

[OlberJ]

Aha, that's your kit. Nairy fuff.

Is that the original Autostyle or the Sam Auto kit reworked?

[Paul Woods]

actually they are on the garage floor awaiting prep :thumbsup:

[superchargedsam]

Is that the original Autostyle or the Sam Auto kit reworked?

original one until pauls new worker is up to speed to allow him time in the bodyshop again :hidesbehi

[Crynox]

What exhaust system is that? loving it!

I got it off ebay, its a "Zorst" exhaust. Check out this ebay seller for more info.:thumbsup:

[Paul Woods]

here is richs finished bay... i knocked him up a quick strut brace,a bit tricky to do with the throttle in the way but at least now hes got a functional brace.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/238.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/270.jpg

[biteme]

Like the graphite colour more and more :)

[frisp]

Very nice work yet again Paul :)

[Whore of Babylon]

Looks good, I like it with the silver heat cover off tho, thoes red valve covers are sexy. I'dd show them off.

[Crynox]

Looking great Paul!:thumbsup:

But...wheres the 3000 gone from the inlet manifold ?

[superchargedsam]

fantatic install this one! needs a clear perspex engine cover really as gonna a real shame to have that beauty hidden away for sure!

[Paul Woods]

there wasnt a 3000 on this plenum,i will pull one off another plenum and stick it on for you.

[EarL]

That looks the dogz bawlz mate. Congratulations buddy. :thumbsup: