New Woodsport mk1 wide arch kit and buddy rep front [Archive]

Paul Woods

09-11-2007, 07:51

I get bombarded by people wanting wide arches so Woodsport is in the process of producing a mk1 wide arch kit along with a new late spec front lip design similar to the buddy club front.The standard arches will be 3-4 inches wide on the rear and 2-3 inches wide on the front,but i can also produce a bespoke arch in any width from 1" to 4" so you can stagger or match them front to rear.I have the master templates ready and will be going into production within a month.These arches will be easily bondable to the car body,no trimming or custom fitting will be required and will also come with custom arch liners too.The option is there to flush fit them or blend them into the cars bodywork.

I dont want to release pics just yet of the actual arches but they will look very similar to adams arches that i built a few years ago...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/07/63.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/07/53.jpg

I will be releasing actual pics of the arches very soon,along with the new late spec front lip design very similar to this....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/11/71.jpg

If you are provisionally interested let me know so i can get an idea on numbers for the first production run.

lodgeman

09-11-2007, 07:57

paul if you only wanted a 2" rear is that possible?:gay: so have the front and rear the same width?

Paul Woods

09-11-2007, 08:00

yeah i can alter the finished arch to make them as wide or narrow as you need... i should have said they are available in any width from 1" to 4" :thumbsup: in fact i'll edit that now

Charged

09-11-2007, 09:21

Hi Paul ,

as you may have guessed I'm interested. My only problem is that my Mk1 is going into the bodyshop this saturday.. Have you an idea of price and when the first run would be ready?

Cheers

Ollie

snowtigger

09-11-2007, 14:10

those look tasty how much for kit and fitting them and paint

Jinja

09-11-2007, 18:01

Any chance of doing a kit like this for the MK2 Paul?

Paul Woods

09-11-2007, 18:07

hi ollie,they will be ready for sale in approx 1 month mate,they are being tooled up for mass production as we speak

snowy,these will be diy fitment at home,the fit will be that good that you will be able to bond them on yourself and have a flush fitting,for a little extra work you can easily blend them in and paint.... our paintshop is temporarily out of action so we cant offer a fitting service

jinja you mean like the abflug arches? yeah i could knock out a good copy of those

biteme

09-11-2007, 18:11

Hmm .. in carbon too!!

GaryA

09-11-2007, 18:19

AB flug mk2 :drool:

msherry21

09-11-2007, 18:42

you HAVE to do these for the mk2 Paul, That would be awesome, proper riveted on ones! class!!!

firstmk1

09-11-2007, 23:59

Would these be a suitable replacement for slightly rusting rear arches?

AlunJ

10-11-2007, 01:55

Would these be a suitable replacement for slightly rusting rear arches?
Now that's a thought. Sort my arches with a set of these and the good ol' grinder, then get my 16's back on. Do you have a ballpark figure for price yet Paul? Very nice :)

Jinja

10-11-2007, 08:30

jinja you mean like the abflug arches? yeah i could knock out a good copy of those

That's the puppies exactly mate. I would definatly have a set of those as they are as rare as rocking horse shit...!!!!

Paul Woods

10-11-2007, 09:45

well i can easily knock out abflug replicas ,it will take a few months to sort,my priority is getting the mk1 wide arch kit out there but def doable,i will get on it.

These arches will mean all rusty arches can be cut out and these bonded on instead and will come with a new arch liner to bridge the gap,fitment will be very close so can either be left as a contact fitment (with perhaps a rubber seal between arch and body) or easily flush blended.

Price wise im hoping to bring the full set of four arches in at £200-£250 including everything needed to attach them and the arch liners,but until the first batch are produced i wont know exact costs,it could end up being cheaper than that.

The buddy club rep front will cost somewhere between £100 and £150

If i do an abflug rep arch kit that too will be circa £200-£250 for a full set

Hopefully the prices arent outside peoples reach,the production costs of these are quite high.

Jiff Lemon

10-11-2007, 11:27

Pricing sounds spot on Matey. Having had Fibreglass stuff made up before, I know its not a cheap thing to do; Had a front spoiler made up for one of my other cars and needed to shift around 30 of the damn things before even breaking even! (ps if anyone wants a spoiler for a suzuki cappuccino, let me know cos I've still got 8 of the damn things left!)

Racebreed

10-11-2007, 11:28

Paul Woods

10-11-2007, 17:02

adams are about 3" wide front and back,i will be able to produce up to 4" wide.... you really need to go about it the other way though,space your wheels out or get deep dish rims first,then measure what sort of arch you need.... trying to match wheels to arches would be much harder

the buddy club spoiler is the red front lip in that pic above...and abflug arches are for mk2s

Jinja

10-11-2007, 18:25

I would like to officially put my name down for the first set of MK2 ones please :)

tom1mr2

10-11-2007, 18:57

And i would like the second set of mk2 ones please :thumbsup:

Paul Woods

11-11-2007, 11:51

ok i will set about making some abflug replicas too :thumbsup:

tom1mr2

11-11-2007, 11:56

Good stuff Paul :jump: been wanting some for ages.

Can't you just make me and jinja a set and then leave it at that keep them rare lol

tom1mr2

11-11-2007, 11:57

Adams mk1 looks superb almost makes me wana buy a mk1 to make it look like that :slap:

GaryA

11-11-2007, 12:09

Thought the mk2 flugs were skyline ones made to fit or close to them anyway. Seeing as you can't buy them anywhere in the world ( mr2 ones)they could be a top seller :thumbsup: Might go for a set if i can't get my rex ones to look any good . :freak3:

Paul Woods

11-11-2007, 12:09

is this what you guys have in mind?

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/11/74.jpg

if so im pretty sure i can supply these

Paul Woods

11-11-2007, 12:14

if its this look you are after it will be considerably harder to achieve....

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/splashnatz/ysr-4.jpg

but blended in versions i can do without much hassle...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/11/75.jpg

GaryA

11-11-2007, 12:14

These ones are Abflug mk2s the other picture are skyline ones but they could be the same arches from what i have read on the net http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k55/Demon-tweeker/mistyside2.jpg

tom1mr2

11-11-2007, 12:21

As above ^^^

That's what i was hoping for mate

So i can just stick them on and bring out the wheels a bit.

But as long as they look good and fit is good i don't mind to much.

Paul Woods

11-11-2007, 12:25

well they should be bondable straight to the panel,i just cant guarantee i can do a rivetable version....so they will be a flush fit but without the rivet recesses....i suppose you could add rivets later for the effect though

Maritime_mr2

11-11-2007, 16:50

Paul you are my hero! I'll be watching this post for when they are ready.

Paul Woods

11-11-2007, 17:30

mk1 or mk2 arches mate?

tom1mr2

11-11-2007, 17:53

Sounds good to me mate as long as they have a look of the ab flug am happy :thumbsup:

Prep, Paint and bond on kind of thing.

OlberJ

11-11-2007, 19:32

I take it moving the wheels out a bit further on the mk2 will negate a bit of the fish-tailyness?

Could be interested in a set for both.

biteme

11-11-2007, 19:36

You're extended the width and therefore increasing the stabilty etc.

Hmm .. would this change the centre of gravity?

OlberJ

11-11-2007, 19:38

Wider wheels would be needed, or spacers but how safe are they?

biteme

11-11-2007, 19:48

wider wheels with the correct offsets and with longer wheels studs should be perfectly safe

OlberJ

11-11-2007, 19:51

Sorry, i meant the spacers.

biteme

11-11-2007, 19:57

Ahh .. I'd rather wank off me dad than use spacers mate.

GaryA

11-11-2007, 20:05

Hold that thought lol

OlberJ

11-11-2007, 21:18

That's what i thought, jus needed clarity. Which you've supplied. In spades.

Thanks Johnny. lol

Jinja

12-11-2007, 10:07

I will want mine to be blended Paul :thumbsup:

Maritime_mr2

13-11-2007, 01:49

MK1 sorry about that! i PM'd you a while back seeing if i could get you to make me some, but now my prayers have been answered!

Paul Woods

13-11-2007, 06:49

im on the case bud

Sparky

20-11-2007, 07:50

is this what you guys have in mind?

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/11/74.jpg

if so im pretty sure i can supply these

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if its this look you are after it will be considerably harder to achieve....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/11/75.jpg

but blended in versions i can do without much hassle...

Whats the difference? I'm not sure what area of the photos I should be looking at to discern what the problem area is for you to construct.

Perhaps with a profile that is more akin to the 17/18" wheels that call a mk2 home rather than the original profile that was styled for the 14/15" wheels.
And yes I like the abflug look but the orig were just 0.5" wider from memory, Looking to go wider than that but not wanting a TRD widebody.

mart1975

20-11-2007, 10:29

sounds a great idea, and a fair price, ive been trying to fit the u.s arches and they are a nightmare, which reminds me, paul you have pm

welsh_kroozer

21-11-2007, 19:30

how much would you do the mk2 arches when i bring my car up 2 you???

Zip

22-11-2007, 04:31

One thing i would like to see is one complete front lip/bumper section
So you dont get the joining line you get with the Eurosport, So its one complete unit instead:)

It would just look tidyer in my opinion:)

Paul Woods

22-11-2007, 06:47

how much would you do the mk2 arches when i bring my car up 2 you???

hi mate,im not sure at the moment,lets see how well i can get the arches to fit first,shouldnt be a problem though

welsh_kroozer

22-11-2007, 19:21

ok no problem..

Paul Woods

23-11-2007, 06:52

just a quick update on this,the master buck for the arch mould is almost complete,theres about 1-2 weeks work left in getting that perfect... we need to take our time with this bit as every arch taken from the mould off this buck will have the same defect,so getting the buck perfect is very important,its looking good though! :thumbsup:

snowtigger

23-11-2007, 16:52

dont pass the buck then dude .

rattymr2

23-11-2007, 17:26

when you say to measure the width arch needed to cover deep dish alloys, where do you measure from.

Paul Woods

23-11-2007, 18:16

you measure from the flat quarter panel bit just above the current arch

OlberJ

23-11-2007, 19:55

Straight out perpendicular from there though or down the length of the arch?

Paul Woods

23-11-2007, 20:07

you really are a bunch of spazzies!! :)

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/11/135.jpg

measure from the flat face of the quarter panel to the outside of the new wheel width :thumbsup:

Rowdan

24-11-2007, 08:00

you really are a bunch of spazzies!! :)

Now there's a phrase I haven't heard for a while, rotflmao perhaps I'm not as much of a spaz as I used to be (unlikely I know ;)).

OlberJ

24-11-2007, 19:49

The term is scope now thank you very much. :P

It was a valid question lol

Paul Woods

28-11-2007, 19:23

the arch buck mould is now 90% complete,i forgot to grab a pic of it tonight,but its looking damn good.... once thats done its off to the glassers for mould making and we are in production :thumbsup:

biteme

28-11-2007, 19:28

You should hack a TRD kit for the Mk1s :P

snowtigger

28-11-2007, 19:42

that would be interesting but i could not wait for 11 months for it to turn up oh pauls doing it next week then have it done in a month squire neos no never heard of them johhnyg yes ive heard of him i no that fat twat any where hes got a mk2 i think its so long ago since ive seen it.

Sparky

29-11-2007, 00:52

Gee, snowtigger is there a shortage on punctuation up there. :)

Paul. You never answered my question what I should be looking at with those two images I saw earlier. As to what was harder about the second image as for the construction. Just wanted to know, not saying your a lazy bastard. :P

Paul Woods

29-11-2007, 06:31

sorry sparky,you mean whats hard about constructing a rivet look arch compared to a blendable one? the rivet look needs little recesses casting into the mould and the fit has to be 100% right...if i go for blendable ones it gives me a little leeway with the master mould

Paul Woods

29-11-2007, 18:51

thought id show you where im at with this,this is my master buck... its constructed out of MDF and ply and has been coated in its first skim of filler... i need to spend as long as possible getting this right so that the moulds that are made from this buck are 100% with no flaws.

As you can see ive made it as wide as possible,so in theory if someone asks me for a 6" wide wheel arch i can accommodate that :thumbsup:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/11/193.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/11/194.jpg

still a lot of work to do to this,but its getting there! the mk2 abflug reps and mk1 arches will all come from this master template.

Paul Woods

05-12-2007, 18:46

another update on the buck.... its been sanded and filled to death and given a gloss coat of black to show up the imperfections.... its really starting to take shape....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/12/91.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/12/92.jpg

This in effect will be the finished arch,at its maximum width....i think these would look awesome full width! but this arch can be chopped down to any width.... not long before it goes to the moulders.

adamh

05-12-2007, 19:06

nice, they are wiiiide :mrgreen: ingeniously adjustable

Paul Woods

05-12-2007, 19:10

a good 2" wider than yours mr H! thought i best cover all possibilities knowing the fruitcakes that frequent TB :)

adamh

05-12-2007, 19:49

a good 2" wider than yours mr H! thought i best cover all possibilities knowing the fruitcakes that frequent TB :)

i thought i had the biggest :):praise2:

superchargedAW11

06-12-2007, 05:14

Looks great so far Paul!

Glad to hear your doing a front lip too.

Paul Woods

06-12-2007, 06:36

i havent even started the lip yet sam,i better pull my finger out!

Jinja

06-12-2007, 10:21

Never mind the MK1 ones Paul. Get on with the MK2's...!!!!

whoozy

06-12-2007, 10:30

Ah yes at last,i'd have a set of mk2 arches when you produce them paul,top stuff.

OlberJ

06-12-2007, 11:57

If anm reading it right, they're both gonna be made off the same mould folks.

Mk1 and Mk2 jobbies.

Paul Woods

06-12-2007, 13:08

yep indeed,both the abflug reps and mk1 arches will all come from this mould,the difference will be how we trim the rear of the arch so it fits either mk1 or mk2 how we want it to :thumbsup:

Gary Symons

06-12-2007, 13:19

Nice work Paul,

Looking forward to seeing the full size arches on a mk1 :thumbsup:.
one question, if bonding them on rather than blending do you propose lots of sanding to get an exact body match or would you use some sort of thin rubber edging strip at the join.

BTW if I cannot sort my tyre clearance issues, I may be in for a set.

Paul Woods

06-12-2007, 17:55

they should work both ways gaz,im hoping they will be such a close fit that they can be simply bonded on with a thin rubber edge,but if not they will be that close that they will take very minimal blending.

whoozy

07-12-2007, 12:42

Do you have an idea of cost for mk2 arches paul?

Paul Woods

07-12-2007, 15:23

approx £250 mate but i wont know the final cost until ive produced a set

tksmr2

07-12-2007, 20:57

Will these arches work with the MK1 side skirts?

Thanks!

Paul Woods

07-12-2007, 21:09

hi todd,if you used them as a slight arch extension say 1" then they will work with the sideskirt,but the wider you go with the arch then the more you will need to modify the sideskirts like deno did with his flared arches.

If you went wider than around 2" id say the sideskirts would need remodelling or place the wide arch extension over the top of the skirt.

In reality these arches look better without the sideskirts anyway.

tksmr2

12-12-2007, 03:46

John

12-12-2007, 13:21

Top idea.

I'll have a set of rears set up to the same width as standard fronts, soon as you like :)

Thanks.

Lee

13-12-2007, 21:19

If they can be around the price you guesstimate Paul I'll definitely be interested in a set. Only want a little bit bigger than stock ones though cause I'm a subtle person me :)

OlberJ

13-12-2007, 21:34

Says the lad with a V6 S/C on the way lol

Charged

31-12-2007, 10:54

How are these coming along Paul? My 1.5 is as far along as it can go without the arches...

cheers

Ollie

Paul Woods

31-12-2007, 15:40

hi ollie mate,i know you are clamouring for these mate but i cant do a lot until the master buck is completed.... theres maybe one day left finishing that off which will be done by the weekend (i go back on the 2nd) then i hand it over to the mould maker,hes probably going to take a week or so making moulds (guessing!) and then we are in production.

Bear with me matey,i know you are desperate for them,so am i as it happens,but ive got to get the master buck 100% perfect or every arch will have a defect... i totally understand if you cant wait for it to be completed though but i promise they will be worth the wait.

Charged

03-01-2008, 10:51

Thanks Paul. As far as I know the bodyshop where my 1.5 is at have gone as far as they can without the arches. I appreciate the fact that everything needs to be perfect, I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

I am desperate to have the flared arches rather than standard rears... so I am happy to wait.. but please let me know if you think there will be any delays as I need to keep the bodyshop in the loop.

Thanks again for the reply... I admit I am very impatient sometimes!
:shifty:

snowtigger

04-01-2008, 03:03

paul im getting the car tommorow hopefully will upload some pics just wondering about these arches and wot dimension of wheels i would need to fit if i go as far as adamh.
also i do not now the extent yet of the body rot so will have to find out wot needs doing to it first how much welding is needed before fitting the arches no pont in making more work than necassary.

Paul Woods

04-01-2008, 06:58

well these arches fit the wheels no matter what width,they get chopped to size.... if you drop adam a pm about his wheel offsets that will give you some idea

Paul Woods

15-01-2008, 19:10

i have now completed the wide arch buck!!! woo hoo! only took me 2 bloody months! but it just needs painting now and its off to the moulders...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/137.jpg

OlberJ

15-01-2008, 19:25

That looks like the most random picture ever lol

So i take it, when you get the arches they'll have the top outer bit, the vertical facing and a return lip?

Charged

15-01-2008, 19:48

woo hoo! Well done Paul, I cant wait to see these on my car!

Paul Woods

15-01-2008, 20:12

yep what you are looking at is the arch slope,the arch lip and the return lip,the rest of it is just moulded edges for the moulds so theres excess "trim off" material but yes the finished arch shape is right there

superchargedsam

15-01-2008, 20:33

saw the buck yesterday and this is indeed gonna be a superb arch kit and gonna look very factory with original line look, canney wait to see the first car fitted with these!

Charged

15-01-2008, 20:35

saw the buck yesterday and this is indeed gonna be a superb arch kit and gonna look very factory with original line look, canney wait to see the first car fitted with these!

That may well be my 1.5! Literally as soon as these are ready to purchase I'll get my wallet out :thumbsup:

superchargedsam

15-01-2008, 20:36

mmmm gun metal grey as well! looks like Garys black Mk1.5 may get relagted to my second fave car on TB lol

Paul Woods

16-01-2008, 06:45

bloody hell lads ollie's getting his wallet out!! can someone film that event.... :)

biteme

16-01-2008, 08:53

bloody hell lads ollie's getting his wallet out!! can someone film that event.... :)

Date and time noted - can we put that on the Calendar?

superchargedsam

16-01-2008, 09:10

bloody hell lads ollie's getting his wallet out!! can someone film that event.... :)

Guys calm down calm down like! he ONLY said he was getting it and am sure thats just to make sure he still has one and the money moths aint eaten it all up. :hidesbehi

rshero

18-01-2008, 22:25

@paul how much and how long for a buddy club front lip to be sent to dublin ireland?

Paul Woods

19-01-2008, 09:27

im a long way off producing the buddy front mate,its taken me 3 months to produce the arch buck,this is not a full time project so i do it 5 mins here,5 mins there... hopefully i will have the buddy rep done before summer.

rshero

19-01-2008, 18:45

ah ok cool man just building up a new project goin aggresive as hell with the mk1 that front would have been the cheese on it but when ya get it finished give me a shout:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Paul Woods

20-01-2008, 09:31

will do bud :thumbsup:

Jim-SR

20-01-2008, 15:06

whats the estimated time on the first batch of arches being produced now then?

im definitely interested in a set of full width ones!! what is going to be the best way to mount them onto the car though?

Paul Woods

20-01-2008, 16:15

i expect to have finished arches in my hands within 2-3 weeks,its all down to the mould maker now,first time ive used him so hopefully hes a quick worker.

the arches can have a metal angle iron sliced lip bonded to the fitting edge,and this edge will provide a big surface area to bond onto the car... but in all honest you could just use sikaflex or any good polyurethane adhesive on the arch edge and it will stick like sh*t.

snowtigger

20-01-2008, 18:25

any bodys quicker than dave at neos paul.

andydis

20-01-2008, 19:38

sorry to be abit dim but wud i have to get these fitted or will there be a rought step by step how to guide when buying them for a mk1?

i am no good with diy and this sort of thing.

Paul Woods

21-01-2008, 07:16

if you are a total novice it would be advisable to get a bodyshop to fit them,but my aim is to make them either as a universal arch that people will need to trim to their particular width or as a pre trimmed arch of specified width....in which case they should be a fairly close fit that just needs bonding and a little blending.

Also bear in mind the original arch will need cutting away and sealing up with fibreglass etc to stop water getting in

Paul Woods

20-02-2008, 07:14

not long to go now,the arches are in the final stages of production,i vastly underestimated how long this was going to take to get from fag packet idea to master mould making to production,but its literally a week or so away from the first production run.

The arches will come as untrimmed universal fitting,your bodyshop (or you) will need to trim them down so they are the desired width you need to sit over your wheels.....i could pretrim them here but once ive done that you would only be able to go less width after that so i think the trimming is best left to you or your bodyshop.

I will also be offering a pretrimmed arch in the near future that slides up against the mk1 and mk2 body profile but these will be of a fixed width of my choosing so you would need to match wheel width with offsets/spacers etc to the arch,this is the main reason im keeping the universal ones uncut.

So hopefully within a week or so i will have a finished product to show you lot :thumbsup:

Gary Symons

20-02-2008, 07:22

Ooohhh, looking forward to seeing the pics :thumbsup:

http://data1.blog.de/blog/c/cheer-up/img/Super-Squirrel_01.jpg

MartG

20-02-2008, 07:47

http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg

PMSL :thumbsup:

OlberJ

20-02-2008, 09:33

Body work taking much longer than expected.

Poor Ollie waiting aaaaaages to get his car all fixed up.

That's it, Woodsy is the new Dave Neos!

Oh alright, mibbes a touch harsh :hidesbehi

rattymr2

20-02-2008, 10:00

stuff the arches.

whats happening with the spoiler. at least Ollies car isnt outside on the salty roads.

Charged

20-02-2008, 10:44

up.

That's it, Woodsy is the new Dave Neos!

LOL! Difference is, I know where Woodsy is, where to find him and he has kept me updated all the way...:thumbsup:

I cant wait!! :jump:

Paul Woods

23-02-2008, 19:04

update: one of the two arch moulds ive ordered is now completed,the 2nd one is nearly done...so we are literally days away from the first production run

snowtigger

23-02-2008, 21:49

nice one paul will have to look into this when ive got my body kit fitted as i want to see how it looks with the arches that come with it or if i can use yours as i think yours will allow bigger tyres and wider rims and iv also got to get the rusty rear arches sorted.

OlberJ

23-02-2008, 22:45

Oooh what kit u going for Tiggs?

snowtigger

23-02-2008, 23:26

ah that would be telling would it not lets just say its different than any thing that Ive seen over here.

got to make sure the vehicle it goes on is good enough first so grinder and welder action or buy another Mk1 but a tbar in red or silver, or could sell every thing Ive collected and buy lodges white one then not have any hassle but none of the fun of building your own decisions decisions.

will have to see wot funding Ive got after Ive sold most off my cars as i fancy a gt4 celica or twin turbo supra if either have a blown engine then more v6 or in the supra a v8 swopadge oh i don't now I'm in one of those moods

Paul Woods

24-02-2008, 10:07

i think lodges is sold mate

Jim-SR

24-02-2008, 10:52

when you say they will be "untrimmed", what exactly does this mean?

are they moulded such that they will be a perfect fit upto the rear wing panel, and then just have to be trimmed to width on the outside, or will they need trimming both sides?

Paul Woods

24-02-2008, 11:16

untrimmed means they will be full width,they wont be cut so that they fit up to the wing... thats the main feature of selling them untrimmed so that the buyer can decide how wide they want the arch to be.

The outside edge remains the same and doesnt need altering,just the inside edge where it meets the car.There are too many width variations for me to produce a perfect fitting arch,well i could but it would be a fixed width of my choosing and then people would need to buy wheels to suit the arches rather than making the arch fit the wheels.

Its better for everyone they are supplied universal and trimmed to suit.

TheGasMan

24-02-2008, 22:43

How many inches if any will need removing do you reckon Paul to store 245s at the back comfortably?

OlberJ

24-02-2008, 23:20

Depends on the offset of the wheel chief.

Have you got some in mind?

Paul Woods

25-02-2008, 06:58

indeed,depends on how far the wheels stick out.

OlberJ

25-02-2008, 10:14

Now here's a thought, think it'd be possible to cut the arches at an angle?

Rather than flat out like Adam's, more like arch flares.

Would the shape of the mould lend itself to that?

superchargedsam

25-02-2008, 12:33

Olie would that be legal as thought wheel needed to be covered all the way round IYSWIM!

OlberJ

25-02-2008, 13:00

Aye but mine don't sit out, wheels that is, it'd be purely for cosmetic reasons.

superchargedsam

25-02-2008, 13:30

I gotcha!

OlberJ

25-02-2008, 13:40

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/02/64.jpg

Like dis.

TheGasMan

25-02-2008, 20:58

Depends on the offset of the wheel chief.

Have you got some in mind?

I dont at the moment, id love to get the arches done before I bring the car in for the new engine that way it would be ready to drive away all done and dusted but Im having trouble finding 8 and 9 " Wide alloys to be honest.. would a 245 tyre fit on a 7.5" Alloy? The maths doesnt add up I must admit :freak3:

Shugsta

25-02-2008, 21:03

would a 245 tyre fit on a 7.5" Alloy? The maths doesnt add up I must admit :freak3:

Give this a go, great little tire size calculator...

http://www.tyresite.com/tyrecalc.asp

edited link to calc that does rim width...d'oh:cadet:

rattymr2

25-02-2008, 21:47

have a look at Rota rims for 8" wide 15" diameter. not sure bout 9" though

TheGasMan

25-02-2008, 22:53

Give this a go, great little tire size calculator...

http://www.tyresite.com/tyrecalc.asp

edited link to calc that does rim width...d'oh:cadet:

Tire Size Comparison

Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revs/Mile Difference
185/60-14........4.4in......11.4in.....22.7in..........71 .4in.............887.........0.0%
245/45-16........4.3in......12.3in.....24.7in..........77 .5in.............817.........8.5%

What does it all mean? rotflmao

Shugsta

25-02-2008, 23:13

245/35-16 tyres will put your speedo out by only 0.1% campared to the stock tyre size. According to the rim size calculator 245/35-16 requires a wheel width of 8" to 9.5" on a 16" diameter wheel.

podge

02-03-2008, 23:30

TheGasMan

04-03-2008, 15:06

borbet do some nice rims and alot can be found in 8 ,9 and 10 inch widths x16. got mine cheap and 4x100 pcd, i think adam was running 245 35 16`s on his with no issues ive got 255x35x16 on mine but i think this size has been discontinued

I was under the impression 255's were a little too wide but 245's sound perfect, gonna go for 7" Rims on the front and 8" on the back mate if that sounds reasonable..

How long till the Wheel arch kit is done? Id love them fitted to my car before I get my conversion done..

Any idea how much the kit will be fellas?

OlberJ

04-03-2008, 15:15

It's further back on here but IIRC about £250 for all 4.

OlberJ

04-03-2008, 15:17

These arches will mean all rusty arches can be cut out and these bonded on instead and will come with a new arch liner to bridge the gap,fitment will be very close so can either be left as a contact fitment (with perhaps a rubber seal between arch and body) or easily flush blended.

Price wise im hoping to bring the full set of four arches in at £200-£250 including everything needed to attach them and the arch liners,but until the first batch are produced i wont know exact costs,it could end up being cheaper than that.

The buddy club rep front will cost somewhere between £100 and £150

If i do an abflug rep arch kit that too will be circa £200-£250 for a full set

Hopefully the prices arent outside peoples reach,the production costs of these are quite high.

There ya go.

TheGasMan

04-03-2008, 15:34

There ya go.

Cheers OlberJ your a star, can the arches be fitted without the need to buy new side skirts / front & back bumpers?

Sorry to ask so many questions, my car knowledge is extremely limited lol

Cheers.

OlberJ

04-03-2008, 15:53

TheGasMan

04-03-2008, 21:49

It's alright mate, so's mine :mrgreen:

The Arches can be trimmed to suit but they're basically extensions of the standard arches so any half decent body shop should be able to line them up with your existing skirts and bumpers.

I believe Adam and Mike Sherry ran them without sideskirts as they preferred the look.

What i'd like to do is put some on as Flared extensions so they line up with the skirts and the bumper lines.

If you go straight out and over then it'll interfere with the skirts i believe.

When you say Adam you mean Adamh? I really like his Mk1.5, its the best one Ive seen (bar that Norweigan one with the crazy drilled wheel arch extensions) I love the look of the arches, just looks great especially in Helios Blue imo :thumbsup:

OlberJ

04-03-2008, 21:58

As much as Terjen's is awesome AdamH's was the ultimate, in every respect (part from the engine :P )

Av a feelin Woodsy's Mk1.6S/C is gonna surpass the lot, but we'll see if he ever finishes it :hidesbehi

Paul Woods

05-03-2008, 06:45

if only i knew how to connect those 4 wires........ :)

Paul Woods

10-03-2008, 19:32

drum roll please!

im pleased to announce the first batch of WS wide arches are ready! ive got to go collect them tomorrow so i will post pics tomorrow night.

Ive got 8 arches in this first batch,2 are for ollie, the rest will be sold to whoever comes first,the cost of production has been quite high but im determined to keep these reasonably priced.

The cost of a pair of arches (for those just wanting to fatten the rear end only) is £150 plus P+P (probably a tenner)

The cost of a set of four is £250 plus P+P (around £15)

It costs me more to have a pair made hence the cheaper price for a set of four.

Pics coming tomorrow :thumbsup: I will also be showcasing these arches on my own car that will have a full set blended in.

snowtigger

10-03-2008, 19:45

Nice one cant wait to see that silver beast with some big fat arches on it will look spot on.

TheGasMan

10-03-2008, 22:17

Woooooooooooooooooooot Wooooooooooooooooooot !!!!

:gay:

Charged

11-03-2008, 09:03

I will also be showcasing these arches on my own car that will have a full set blended in.

Not if I beat you to it! :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump:

Stu

11-03-2008, 13:12

how's things going with the BC splitters Paul?

whoozy

11-03-2008, 18:33

Great stuff paul,you will be making more though right????(mk2?)

Paul Woods

11-03-2008, 18:43

stu ive made zero progress on the splitters,all my efforts have gone into these arches which i collected today and the quality is fantastic.

Paul Woods

11-03-2008, 18:44

john these fit the mk2 as well... its all in the trimming of the inside edge.

biteme

11-03-2008, 18:46

I reckon I'm gonna have a go at a set of these keep the woods in biscuits...

Marksman

11-03-2008, 18:48

Pop-rivets and a Supra? Don't do it Johnny!

Owen.

biteme

11-03-2008, 18:52

lord no ... The supra is getting done properly :P

Paul Woods

11-03-2008, 18:58

heres my arches at long last! remember they are universal so can be trimmed down to ANY width on a mk1 or mk2....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/164.jpg

lol imagine these at the full 6" width on a mk1 with some feck off deep dish wheels
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/165.jpg

the fit is almost there on a mk2,this looks better than the abflugs if you ask me,but then im going to say that anyhoo...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/166.jpg

snowtigger

11-03-2008, 19:05

wahooooo looks fecking awsome work there fella, how big is the biggest wheels u could fit to a mk1 then without it ruinning the ride geometry and suspension?.

biteme

11-03-2008, 19:08

Short term solution ... on mine please!

If you fit the wheels that are up there (Anth, please video Mr Burns trying to lift them) and then trim so they 1/2" tucked under. Perfect!

lol

Paul Woods

11-03-2008, 19:14

you like then mr gasket? thought you would,these are wider than a very wide thing (jiff please edit with one of your smashing similies)

biteme

11-03-2008, 19:16

Wider than a whores gash!

Yep, I'll go for a set. How do they mate up with the rear?

Charged

11-03-2008, 19:19

Look at them!! Just look at them!!

I beg of you :jump:

biteme

11-03-2008, 19:20

I hope you declare the mod Ollie! lol lol lol

Paul Woods

11-03-2008, 19:24

they mate up as well as they are trimmed on the inside edge basically.... i could pretrim them but then they would be a set width,that people would need to size wheels for.Thats not an ideal solution,so im keeping them as universal fitment so bodyshops or experienced folk at home can make them fit to their wheel width.

There will be very little work making these blend into a mk2 after we held them up tonight.

whoozy

11-03-2008, 19:38

john these fit the mk2 as well... its all in the trimming of the inside edge.

ok,will you be making more though incase they all go by the time i get the cash?

Paul Woods

11-03-2008, 19:39

they will always be available mate

supersi

11-03-2008, 20:06

how much are we looking at then for a set of four ?

snowtigger

11-03-2008, 20:12

u havent read through this post then 150ish+10 pap for 2 250ish+15 pap for 4 dude.
it is cheaper for 4 than it is just to make 2.

MRV6

11-03-2008, 20:57

Had a chance to have a look at these today, quality bit o kit they are.

Should look well on the polo.

OlberJ

11-03-2008, 21:46

We be able to flare them like this :

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/170.jpg

Now that's wide :cool:

Portgordon

11-03-2008, 22:15

mk1's look fantastic with wide arches :thumbsup:

MRV6

11-03-2008, 22:59

Hmmm they might be a bit OTT mate!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/UK_MRV6/futuristic-car.jpg

OlberJ

11-03-2008, 23:01

Is that the Delica? lol

MRV6

11-03-2008, 23:02

Think it's Flash Gordons space ship.

OlberJ

11-03-2008, 23:03

Looks like summit out of G-Force.

MRV6

11-03-2008, 23:07

Ahhh Battle of the planets.

Marksman

11-03-2008, 23:36

Ahhh Battle of the planets.

Aka, Johnny in a thong.

O.S.

OlberJ

11-03-2008, 23:48

:highfivesmilie:

supersi

12-03-2008, 00:33

ST, I was wondering if he'd finalised the price now they were being produced, rather than the ish price

Paul Woods

12-03-2008, 07:01

yes si the final price is in the post i made yesterday..... they will be £150 plus £15 p+p for a pair,or £250 plus £20 p+p for four.

biteme

12-03-2008, 07:08

Aka, Johnny in a thong.

O.S.

*must get the grinder out*

Gary Symons

12-03-2008, 07:25

yes si the final price is in the post i made yesterday..... they will be £150 plus £15 p+p for a pair,or £250 plus £20 p+p for four.

Wiil you be doing a 'how to' guide for us numpties? lol
Interested to see how these are fitted, will probably take a pair off your hands for my not so secret next project :thumbsup: .

Paul Woods

12-03-2008, 07:28

yeah i will do a "how to" when it comes to fitting these to mine,no probs gary.... theres several methods of attachment,all equally good.

splashin about

12-03-2008, 12:16

well done on getting something like this out !

they don't look as good as the abflugs, but i think when trimmed and fitted they will let people have a damned mean looking car ! look forward to seeing some finished cars wearing these.

Paul Woods

12-03-2008, 12:33

each to their own eh mate,welcome to TB by the way.

Ive seen the abflugs and i think the arch angle is too steep,in my opinion a shallower angle looks fatter which is the look everyone wants.

splashin about

12-03-2008, 13:02

shallower angle will look fatter yeah, and if somebody goes for the full width, it'll look really massive... wouldn't like to guess how wide their wheels would have to be though ! Looking forward to seeing them in real life - also like the idea that they can be trimmed to suit your wheels rather than getting rims to suit the arch. think that'll lead to a startling amount of variation as different owners get to grips with them.
good luck with this one, from the responses so far, they're going to be a best-seller !

Zip

12-03-2008, 15:08

Does anyone have any pictures to these abflugs?

I want to see them for my self:)

biteme

12-03-2008, 15:13

From what I know, Abflug never made flared "overfenders" as they call them for the MR2 - they were used from an R33 Skyline IIRC.

OlberJ

12-03-2008, 15:34

Saw that too Johnny but then someone said "Oh no they didn't" in proper panto stylee.

Was the OC though....

splashin about

12-03-2008, 16:50

The skyline flares from Abflug are different. (not just the cut out for the filler cap on the passenger side either). The fronts flares, i think maybe the skyline/modified version of the skyline arches, they seem to follow the same overall shape and contour. the rears show the difference. The Abflug skyline rears, the bottom of the flare is all on one level (sits at the same height in front of the wheel as it does behind). on the mr2 flares, it extends much further down at the front and has a shaped area for the side scoop, they only extend the scoop out maybe 10mm though, not border style extra inch or so (but it would be nice if they did extend the vent that far). Not sure if the rear flares from the skyline are the same size as the fronts or larger, the mr2 rears flare out a lot further than the fronts.

Nige_B

12-03-2008, 17:55

Ah these could be just what I'm after. Was thinking that I'll be needing some wide rubber, so obviously will need to cover them up. Could they be modified slightly to give a slightly more square lip that would resemble the stock arches? EDIT: actually, after having another look they look as though they may be squared off, may just be the pics?

I'll be putting an order in when I'm further on with the conversion.

biteme

12-03-2008, 17:56

Ah these could be just what I'm after. Was thinking that I'll be needing some wide rubber, so obviously will need to cover them up. Could they be modified slightly to give a slightly more square lip that would resemble the stock arches?

I'll be putting an order in when I'm further on with the conversion.

Once youve got your arches offered up to the car, the world is your oyster mate :)

Paul Woods

12-03-2008, 18:29

nige these arches have an "identical" squared off lip to the mk1 outer lip,that was very important to me.... it would have been tons easier to make an arch with a rounded off outer lip.

Nige_B

12-03-2008, 19:13

nige these arches have an "identical" squared off lip to the mk1 outer lip,that was very important to me.... it would have been tons easier to make an arch with a rounded off outer lip.

Excellent, they certainly do look of good quality. I very much doubt I need to ask this after seeing the quality of your other work, but are they very solid and rigid?

biteme

12-03-2008, 19:17

Paul Woods

12-03-2008, 19:27

they are very strong yes and will become 100% rigid when bonded to the car,off the car they flex a little but thats normal for fibreglass.

There is nothing else like this available on the market for ANY car,i know i tried to get some! well there is but they are in canada and are a fortune to import.... so i made my own but with a much thinner outer lip and better profile.

http://bimmershop.netfirms.com/Bimmershop/nfoscomm/catalog/images/Uni%20fender%20flares%20copy.gif

Paul Woods

12-03-2008, 19:28

Can I have a rounded lip please

i'll give you a fat one in a minute....

TheGasMan

12-03-2008, 19:50

i'll give you a fat one in a minute....

Just no pleasing some people ey?

rotflmao

biteme

12-03-2008, 19:51

i'll give you a fat one in a minute....

I'm fat all over mate, nobody would know...

OlberJ

12-03-2008, 20:12

i'll give you a fat one in a minute....

Who said you had a fat one?

biteme

12-03-2008, 20:16

Paul, Anth ...

OlberJ

12-03-2008, 20:17

Aw come on, not even spot the film reference?

biteme

12-03-2008, 20:34

Nope ... I'm not a real film buff

OlberJ

12-03-2008, 20:40

Stand By Me.

Lead boy (cannae mind his name) says to Eyeball (Keifer Sutherland) while pointing a gun at his head, "Suck my fat one"

Then a bit later River Pheonix turns to him and laughs, "Who said you had a fat one?"

"Biggest one in three counties"

Fecking great film.

biteme

12-03-2008, 20:41

*shrugs shoulders*

anyways, back on topic - Paul, what's the fitting time for stuff like this?

msherry21

12-03-2008, 21:19

Olie, best film of all time!! I have 3 copies of this film just incase I misplace any, I love it that much!!

..And the music to it is also awesome!

Paul Woods

13-03-2008, 06:52

id say 30 mins to trim each arch,then an hour to bond them on followed by maybe 4 or 5 hours per arch blending the join and finishing off the ends johnboy

biteme

13-03-2008, 07:04

Just so I know when I get you to fit them :P

MRV6

13-03-2008, 07:07

Johnny what's happening with your car, are you going for the flared arch look? Instead of the trd?

Gary Symons

13-03-2008, 07:19

On kitcars you used to be able to get hold of a thick rubberized paint to cover the inside of fibreglass with. It was used to help prevent star crazing on the panels due to stone chips.

Apparantly it was very effective, I will have a look around and see if I can find it.

biteme

13-03-2008, 09:13

Johnny what's happening with your car, are you going for the flared arch look? Instead of the trd?

Yep, i might have to till I can get the TRD kit. I need to get the 5VZ up and running and then mapped, purely so that I can showcase VM.

Zip

13-03-2008, 09:43

Gary Symons

13-03-2008, 09:51

Not this stuff is it?

http://www.siouxrubber.com/urethane_products/urethane_coatings.html

very similar, the stuff I have seen is brush on though:
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282

Jyppe

13-03-2008, 15:30

What is that frontspoiler on the red one? and what would it cost?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/mister2driver01/aw11/DSC01250.jpg

Paul Woods

13-03-2008, 18:42

jyppe i will be working on a similar design front sometime this year

splashin about

22-04-2008, 14:52

how's it going with the arches ? (sure i saw a pic of a mk1 that may have had them on (but was a work in progress)).

still looking forward to seeing some proper fat wheels under these things.

Paul Woods

22-04-2008, 18:47

the arches are ready for sale,ollie is having some fitted to his mk1 and im fitting some to a mk2 shortly,should look great.

MOG7

23-04-2008, 10:13

Oh good, i'll have to see what they look like on the mk2...

Paul Woods

19-07-2008, 16:23

Today i thought id actually have a go with these arches,believe it or not its the first time ive tried fitting them myself since i designed them and had them moulded up.

In all it was incredibly easy,well for me anyway!

Step 1 was making sure my wheel had the correct camber and tracking set up,last thing i wanted to do was align my arch to a wonky wheel!

Step 2 was cutting the original outer arch into "tabs" and folding them outward,i didnt take a pic of this but here it is explained on an arch.... first the outer lip was removed (red line) and then lots of slices made in the arch (green lines) to create tabs which can then be bent upward to make a bonding surface for the wide arch

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/139.jpg

Step 3 involved lots of trial fitments... i measured the amount the wheels stuck out at the front and rear of the arch and then removed the excess from the wide arch....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/140.jpg

Using a marker to scribe around the arch and taping it to the panel for every fitment helped keep things accurate

Then after a few more trims and trial fittings its pretty much there.... this only took 90 mins...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/141.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/142.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/143.jpg

Next step is to bond the arch onto the old arch "tabs" with sikaflex and then blend the edge thats touching the quarter panel into the arch,but this is a very small area to blend so it shouldnt take long.

Beauty of these arches is most of the hard work is already done in the arch slope and outer lip already complete.

I plan on making a new inner arch out of steel which will weld onto the old inner arch and extend to the wide arch outer lip where i will bond it to the inside edge to make things nice and water tight.This will also give the arch some real structural integrity and help prevent filler cracking.

Loving the aggressive look of them though!

sidewaysfreak

19-07-2008, 16:53

Looking good :thumbsup:
What is the offset and width of that wheel you've set them to?

Arkwright

19-07-2008, 16:54

That's none too shabby! Is it easy / worthwhile to make a paper template as a cutting guide to use for that width wheel in the future or do they really need trimming on an individual basis?

Owen. (Just noticed I'm Lyn today, opps!)

OlberJ

19-07-2008, 17:07

I'll be fecked if anyone's running that width of wheel. lol

Looks good boss, excited to see how they look on the fronts though.

Paul Woods

19-07-2008, 17:10

Thats the thing with these arches,they need to be tailored to each car,but thats also the beauty of them in that ANY width can be achieved from a 4" arch like ive got right down to a 1" extension,all depends on the amount trimmed from the inside edge.

Sadly a template as such wont work,you need to make the arch fit the profile of the bodywork at various width of wheel.... the only way that would work is if the quarter panel was completely flat.I suppose i could easily make a template specifically for my wheel width,but then it would only be of any use to someone who has exactly the same offset and diameter.

It really is an individual fitment job,but i see that as being in their favour,you cant do this with other arches and the wheels need tailoring to suit the car if you see what i mean.

Sidewaysfreak my wheels are 10" wide and ive used a 20mm spacer to take the wheel arch out to 4".... i really wanted to show whats possible with the arches hence the spacer.Sorry but i dont know my offset on the wheels themselves.

GaryA

19-07-2008, 17:35

Looking good , one :pumped: Mk1

splintermcinnes

19-07-2008, 17:40

They're Lily's shoes!!!:eek2:

What ever happend to her? you still tinkering away with her in the background?

frisp

19-07-2008, 17:42

I'll have to wait till I get home to see the pics :P

Sounds good though from everyones reactions.

Paul Woods

19-07-2008, 17:55

lily went to the big mr2 heaven in the sky,it was all just too much of a project to complete alongside running a business,so she had to go.I took all her best bits and they are now on this car.

splintermcinnes

19-07-2008, 18:00

lily went to the big mr2 heaven in the sky,it was all just too much of a project to complete alongside running a business,so she had to go.I took all her best bits and they are now on this car.

Bugga! will just have to live with 'only' 3 liters, and 'only' 6 cylinders then! hahahaha!rotflmao lol

OlberJ

19-07-2008, 18:39

Paul Woods

19-07-2008, 18:46

lol you're cleaning the bog on monday morning :thumbsup:

frisp

19-07-2008, 18:47

in the sh#t.......again? :P

OlberJ

19-07-2008, 18:49

Aye, bit like the conection between the mafia and muff diving.

One slip of the tongue and you're in the shit lol

frisp

19-07-2008, 19:46

Back to the arches. Very neat Paul. :thumbsup: I'm sure you could get wider rims in there yet though :P

hmmmmm

19-07-2008, 20:05

i saw a pick of this american guy a while bac who had arches on his black sw20, with enormous wide wheels on it..Cant find them on the us forums..
Anybody?

Paul Woods

20-07-2008, 08:21

http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=5077&highlight=wide

BSM

20-07-2008, 11:43

lol you're cleaning the bog on monday morning :thumbsup:

With your own toothbrush. After johnny has been there and "dropped the payload".rotflmao

OlberJ

20-07-2008, 19:44

I fear i'd need more than a toothbrush. Dumper truck maybe.

lol Dumper truck.

For dumps.

lol

hmmmmm

20-07-2008, 23:43

http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=5077&highlight=wide

Ah yes thats the one, still one of the best looking mr2's.. Is this just the arches or did he alter more of the backside?

Paul Woods

22-07-2008, 07:51

I decided i needed to make some reinforcing for the bonding area on my arches with them being 4" wide... normally you could just bond them onto small arch tabs with a narrower arch but with a 4" one it needs more land underneath it for bonding.So i welded a 3" extension the whole way around the arch....all this is doing is providing more surface area to bond the arch onto,so it should help prevent any cracking.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/155.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/156.jpg

Not pretty but then it doesnt need to be,its just a bonding surface,i should get lots of grip on the arch doing it this way.I will also be making an inner arch that will weld onto the underside of this extension which will add more strength.

mart1975

22-07-2008, 15:35

good idea, to keep things looking neat underneath you could fix a strip of black plastic on the underside with tigerseal, this is what i will be doing as soon as i can source some. itll give it strength and keep it watertight too.

Paul Woods

22-07-2008, 17:58

ally sheet would work well too mart,thats what i used to use on the karmeleon kits

Paul Woods

22-07-2008, 18:24

I have now permenantly bonded the first arch on... sikaflex sets really well and grips like shit! this isnt going anywhere....

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/159.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/160.jpg

Just needs some minimal blending and prep work before painting.

mart1975

22-07-2008, 18:39

paul, will sikaflex allow for filler without letting it flex and crack?
this is one of the flaws of tigerseal.

Paul Woods

22-07-2008, 18:45

the trick to it is getting the arch as solid as possible,all mastics will have a certain amount of movement in them, but if you apply it over a large enough area it will bond so strongly that the arch will become almost unmoveable.

The next step is a thin smeer of fibral in the arch to quarter gap,this gives even more strength before the final light skim of filler.

Bottom line is make the fibreglass solid enough and you wont get cracking,it was important to get this right on the karmeleon kits that had a very large surface area of FG attached to the steel,so the secret is more sikaflex/tigerseal over a wider area.