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Thread: My Mk3 Roadster 3SGTE Build

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    My Mk3 Roadster 3SGTE Build

    As some of you are aware I started my 3sgte into a MK3 swap last week, so here is my build thread as promised.
    First, the standard disclaimer, this thread is to document what I have done, please do your own checks and use the information at your own risk!
    Heres a pic of the unsuspecting car.



    The first issue that needed investigation was the driveshafts, here is a pic of the mk3 outer cv:



    Luckily the outer cv has the same spline configuration as the mk1 so my plan is to use the AE92 supercharger driveshafts from my mk1 swap.
    Here is a pic of the AE92 outer cv:



    As pointed out to my by Paul W there is an issue with the length of the splines, the ae92 cv's splines are simply not long enough and prevent the face of the joint from contacting the bearing in the hub.



    As you can see in the above picture once fitted you cannot see the engagement, after alot of measuring I determined that approximatly 3mm extra was needed.
    To test this I placed 4mm of washer in the hub as per the pic below then reassembled the joint.





    You can see that the gap has increased by approximately 1mm, from this it is possible to deduce that inserting a 4mm spacer will allow face to face contact between the bearing and the joint.
    My proposal is sketched below, the plan is to have the following spacer manufactured, note by doing this the abs ring will be in the wrong place so a second spacer is required to restore the 13.5mm dimension.



    This method also creates another minor issue with the retaining nut, and a new hole will need creating



    The next issue is the driveshaft lengths, sadly there is no way of easily checking that without dropping the engine, the thought of the shafts not fitting played with my mind more than a little as I really didnt want to have to reinstall the old engine again.
    A shot of the engine prior to test fit:



    bye bye 1zz:



    After initially lifting the 3sgte into the bay it was instantly apparent that I would have to cut into the passenger side chassis rail to clear the gearbox (something I was expecting). The rear suspension crossmember also required a little grinder action.
    The engine was fitted/removed quite a few times before I got it into a position I was happy with. After checking the end float of the driveshaft I could finally relax a little as they appear to be a perfect fit.
    A pic of the chassis rail cutout:



    pics of the chassis rail cutout:





    Engine positioned on blocks:





    A few pics around the bay to show clearances:









    Next job is to look at the engine mounts. The gearbox mount base was fouling against the chassis so I repositioned the holes and cut it down to size.



    The mount can then be fabricated to pick up on the existing chassis tapped holes. this will be fully welded with a closing plate on top. Note that I have allowed for approximately 10mm of drop in the rubber mount. I wont be able to test this until the other mount has been made.



    Considering I have only been on this for 1 week I am pretty pleased with the progress. Sadly things will slow down a little now as I start a new job on monday.
    much more to follow..............
    Last edited by Gary Symons; 21-11-2009 at 14:24.


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    I know I've nagged you mate - but I really cannot wait to see what this is like. I've been in a stock Mk3, a turbo'd Mk3 and I want to go in a 3SGTE'd Mk3!!!

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    Oh, and by the way, I know the road map for this car ... and it's stunning! However, I won't be muttering a word for less than a large club donation :rlol:

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    will be following this
    what sort of power will you be looking at?
    or more importantly what sort of power to weight ratio?
    sure it will be monster when it is finished
    must be gaining a little weight though?
    Jay

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    This is the very essence of TB! Some good old pioneering home grown conversions!

    Looking forward to this one muchly! :mrgreen:
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    Quote Originally Posted by quigonjay View Post
    will be following this
    what sort of power will you be looking at?
    or more importantly what sort of power to weight ratio?
    sure it will be monster when it is finished
    must be gaining a little weight though?
    Jay
    Initially it will have a std tubby unit so I guess about 250bhp. As for the weight, yes it will put on a bit :hehe:


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    i'd imagine an extra 30-40 kilos, so about 1/2 a passenger, but with the torque rise it'll be completely un-noticable

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    But the handling might be affecting, there again, Gary doesn't go quick enough to notice :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny G View Post
    But the handling might be affecting, there again, Gary doesn't go quick enough to notice :P
    You didnt say that after sampling the awesome power of my ford focus :mrgreen:.

    I was told that the 3s would destroy the mk1's handling, it didnt.

    I would expect the handling to change after the swap. But how much? not a clue. We will see once its done.


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    Nice one Gary, I am becoming slightly concerned that with all the fantastic builds that are likely to be ready for next years shows...no one will have a tent, food or booze at Japshow and JAE. Just really quick cars and a toothbrush. :whistle:

    PS. thanks for putting the 'F' back in Freedom.
    Last edited by Rowdan; 30-10-2009 at 23:17.

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