Here goes! Limey's Swap

[Limeymk1]

Car's tucked in and most of the engine's out:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/02/143.jpg

Here's the little engine waiting to go in:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/02/144.jpg
1st thing anyone say's who sees it is 'are you sure it'll fit!' lol

1st casualty of the process:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/02/145.jpg
ARP flywheel bolts 1 Chrom-Vanadium spanner 0. (Drop forged my arse, cast more like)

I still have the block and flywheel to come out, reason being that my space is limited behind the car, there's only about 2-3ft between the bumper and the V6. Also I didn't want to risk damaging the Fidanza flywheel whilst removing the engine.

This swap's going to take a while but I'll try to keep this thread up to date.

[Jiff Lemon]

Mines IN the engine bay and people STILL don't beleive it fits!

Shout if you need any help or advice. Reckon you'll have it done in time for JAE?

[Fridrik]

This one looks promising and could well teach me a thing or two, even three. Same kind of engine, same kind of car, hell even the same color code. The very best of wishes and good luck with the project! I'll be watching you ;)

[Rowdan]

Good luck mate. More Mk1 action that's what we like to see.:thumbsup:

[Jaemus]

I still have the block and flywheel to come out, reason being that my space is limited behind the car, there's only about 2-3ft between the bumper and the V6.

i have that problem too! and thats after i wheel the front wheels out of the garage door!

which is what's currently holding me up, i cant get the 3SGE out and 3VZ in in one day, so i need to be able to move the car back into the garage without gearbox or crossmember or suspension, which u cant do, so i may have to do something crazy like hang it off the engine crane by the mounts and wheel it in that way...

[Paul Woods]

good luck with your build chris,we're all here for moral support and help when the time comes.....now throw those witworth bed spanners away mate :)

[podge]

all the best with this one :thumbsup:

[adamh]

yer... go fer it! another m1v6 on the way.. good news mate, good luck.. waiting for that distinctive sound clip.. roar :-)

[superchargedsam]

Limey good luck fella and looks like its gone be a proper MK1 beastie when its done!

[Limeymk1]

Cheers guys, planned spec is as many know; fettled head, throttle bodies, DTA P8 standalone ECU,custom inlet and exhaust manifold. That'll keep me busy for a while.

Paul I didn't have much choice but use the spanner, it was the only 13mm double hex I had, well not any more! lol In true Mk1/Toyota style all my sockets are single hex.

Jiff I doubt it'll be ready for JAE, cash and time are not on my side (off to South America for a month in March).

Jaemus it would be nice if I could get the front wheels out of the garage, there's a 1foot drop with a very steep ramp out there, I'd never get the car back in! lol

[OlberJ]

i have that problem too! and thats after i wheel the front wheels out of the garage door!

which is what's currently holding me up, i cant get the 3SGE out and 3VZ in in one day, so i need to be able to move the car back into the garage without gearbox or crossmember or suspension, which u cant do, so i may have to do something crazy like hang it off the engine crane by the mounts and wheel it in that way...

Jaemus, could you refit the struts and wheels? Then you could use the trolley dolleys that fit under the wheels and scoot the car about.

Woodsy's uses them, u'll see in sum of his pics. Quite cheap from machine mart or the likes.

[OlberJ]

Oh and :thumbsup: Limey. Gonna be a beast.

[Limeymk1]

Going to go and have a look at this on Sunday:

http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=61453

:drool: :drool: :drool:

[OlberJ]

Should make the right noises. Go for it.

[Shorty]

Nice. Are you sure it`ll fit though?;)

[Marksman]

All the best Mr. Limey Sir!

Pretty please will you take me for a spin when it's done?

Asta-la-bye-byes,

Owen.

[Paul Woods]

yeah you cant whack the wheel dollies,ive been coasting lily around the workshop today with one finger,effortless vehicle moving,well worth the money from machine mart,although i made my own that worked out a lot more expensive by the time id bought all the angle iron and 16 HD castors! what a muppet i am.

[Jaemus]

throttle boides! oooooer!

olberj, paul: wheel dollies yes, but according to the FSM you cant put the weight of the car on the wheel bearings without having an axel in them. theres an SST and all kinds of warnings. otherwise id be laughing

[Paul Woods]

ah true J,you arent supposed to load a bearing that hasnt got a shaft or SST going through it but if you think about it when we dont have a shaft fitted theres no engine in anyway and hardly any weight on the hubs,also i suspect that warning is for rolling wheels,these never move so i dont think theres ever any danger of damage to the bearings in this case.You could always just stick a big nut and bolt with some washers either side through the hubs?

[Paul Woods]

give that man an asbo.......oh...

[Limeymk1]

Now added to the collection:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/03/25.jpg

:jump: :jump:

[Shorty]

Nice. Is that the turblo or NA? How is the rest going then?:)

[Limeymk1]

Turblo exhaust (3 inch pipe), the rest is slow.:hidesbehi

[Limeymk1]

Just put a deposit on a Rev2 Turbo gearbox and shafts with an LSD! :jump: :jump:

Next task purchase/borrow a grinder to remove the engine mounts :twisted: and change the fuel pump. Don't worry I won't attempt to change the pump with the grinder! lol

This work/box collection will be done when I return from South America, late April.

[Jiff Lemon]

so your going away eh?

Owen! Get the pickup ready.... :whistle:

[OlberJ]

It's mk1 though Jiff, that'd be pissing in our own pool. lol

[Limeymk1]

so your going away eh?

Owen! Get the pickup ready.... :whistle:

Jeeves, release the hounds! lol

[Limeymk1]

Reckon a couple of us could get it away real quick....what say? :mrgreen:

It would be interesting to watch. lol How long can you hold a V6 over your head while squeezing between a car and a garage wall?

[Limeymk1]

Well a little progress made today, I changed the fuel pump on the 2 for a tubby one I bought about a million years ago when I was considering a 4AGTE conversion! Wooooo! lol

Couple of Pics of the engine for Woodsey & Tony, re driveshaft and engine mount queries

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/05/70.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/05/71.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/05/72.jpg
http://star.walagata.com/w/limeymk1/1MZFE/MZ_Mount2.jpg

And these are the Throttle bodies I'll be using they need respacing but should do the job once I get a manifold sorted ;) :
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/05/73.jpg

Can this be moved to the build forum?:thumbsup:

[Paul Woods]

moved mate :thumbsup:

bad news chris,the 1mz supported shaft carrier bolt fixing is completely different to the 3vz,what a pack o bastards! 3vz mount is no use to you fella...so you have three options...

1/ find a 1mz supported shaft mount
2/ bolt a thick plate onto the engine and weld plates coming off that onto the turbo carrier bracket (this is what im doing on the V8,very brutal!)
3/ ditch the turbo gearbox and use an NA one instead,no need for supported shaft at all

seeing as you have a box with LSD id go option 2 :thumbsup:

[Limeymk1]

Arse! >:[ Oh well I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Cheers for the help Paul.

[OlberJ]

Is the 1mzfe a wider angle V6?

[OlberJ]

Gotcha, wondered why it looked different.

[Limeymk1]

Fidanza and Exedy clutch purchased from Ultrarev £274 delivered :jump: . Better start cleaning up the engine and gearbox. I think the only thing bling about this engine will be the cam covers. lol

Off to talk to a man about a custom inlet manifold on Saturday, I've decided to keep the secondary manifold and mount a V shaped custom one to it. Hopefully it's a plausable solution as I want to keep the injectors close to the head if possible and also retain the idle control plumbing and coolant system at the gearbox end.

May be needing the jig and a friendly welder sometime next month.

Think I should change the cambelt?

[cartledge_uk]

definitly.

It'll be easier now than once its in, and then you'll have piece of mind.

Are you doing the head gaskets as well?

[Limeymk1]

Don't think the engine's old enough to warrant a HG change Tim.

The very oldest it could be is 4 years.

[cartledge_uk]

Don't think the engine's old enough to warrant a HG change Tim.

The very oldest it could be is 4 years.

:eek2: why didnt i bid when I saw it for £50 :blowup:


If you do the head gaskets you can send the heads off for a P & P :thumbsup:

[OlberJ]

Pig and a Poke?

[Limeymk1]

:eek2: why didnt i bid when I saw it for £50 :blowup:


If you do the head gaskets you can send the heads off for a P & P :thumbsup:

LOL I didn't realise either.

Would love to get it pigged & poked lol but I think I'd rather get it up and running on the throttle bodies then save up for the headwork. If I go for headwork before the car won't be on the road for a long time. >:[

All about the money.

[Limeymk1]

Painted cam covers:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/07/85.jpg

What lurks beneath, I haven't touched the cams that's how clean it was under there when I took the covers off.

http://star.walagata.com/w/limeymk1/DSC00139.JPG

[Rosssco]

So what are your current plans as far as getting the engine up and running? Are you planning to complete the installation / wiring etc., basically get the thing up and running, then add the mods, ooorrrrrrr.....

Build the engine up before installation?

I have been offered a complete (I hope) 1MZ-FE for £300 (sound reasonable???) from a breaker, but wondered if anybody else had gone through the process of a straight installation into a mk1 as I know the electrical / control side is slightly more difficult to complete due to the OBD-11 set-up.

Also, I've read (US-forum) that the 1MZ-FE doesn't produce near the low down torque of the 3VZ-FE, I found this hard to believe as do they not have a similar bottom end, intake and exhaust system...?? Yes / No?? I wouldn't go for the 1MZ if it has a serious disadvantage in this dept......

Also, looks like its from a 96' ish year Camry, this would be non-VVTi then I guess?

Ross

[sadako]

Just noticed the thread. Good luck Chris, You'll have to let me see this beast when it's done. I remember you talking about going this route last year but I didn't think you'd be doing it so soon!

[Limeymk1]

Cheers Rich, going slow really, so much other stuff to do at the moment as well as the car.<:(

[Limeymk1]

Meant to post these up ages ago, just to prove I am still working on the car! :shifty:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/08/181.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/08/182.jpg

1st one took bloody ages but the second was off in about an hour, always the way.lol

[Shorty]

Hehe.... i think you did the same as me. I ground off all of the steel and that took ages. After i found out the mounts are hole welded. Drill the holes and chisel ( small spellcheck there i think) them off. Anyway, good to see an update.

[adamh]

Meant to post these up ages ago, just to prove I am still working on the car! :shifty:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/08/181.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/08/182.jpg

1st one took bloody ages but the second was off in about an hour, always the way.lol

good stress relief that is :thumbsup:

[Limeymk1]

Hehe.... i think you did the same as me. I ground off all of the steel and that took ages. After i found out the mounts are hole welded. Drill the holes and chisel ( small spellcheck there i think) them off. Anyway, good to see an update.


Yup, spot on! Except I used the grinder on the spotwelds. :thumbsup:

Will get to cutting up my 4mm steel for the mounts next. :jump:

My neighbours love me. lol

[markiii]

moved mate :thumbsup:

bad news chris,the 1mz supported shaft carrier bolt fixing is completely different to the 3vz,what a pack o bastards! 3vz mount is no use to you fella...so you have three options...

1/ find a 1mz supported shaft mount
2/ bolt a thick plate onto the engine and weld plates coming off that onto the turbo carrier bracket (this is what im doing on the V8,very brutal!)
3/ ditch the turbo gearbox and use an NA one instead,no need for supported shaft at all

seeing as you have a box with LSD id go option 2 :thumbsup:

supported shaft? can I take it you mean the centre shaft and bearing that results in each side getting an equal length shaft?

[Shorty]

My neighbours love me. lol

Believe me, they dontrotflmao

[Jaemus]

i wonder how strictly necessary that support bracket is, given as how the NA box doesnt have it, and the axels are of a similar design (despite being different thicknesses)

[Limeymk1]

supported shaft? can I take it you mean the centre shaft and bearing that results in each side getting an equal length shaft?

Yup that's the one.

Jaemus from what I know (and that's not a lot) having different length driveshafts is what causes torque steer on a lot of FWD cars. Not a good idea having this occuring on a mid engine RWD car.:eek2: The support bracket evens out the flex between the drive shafts AFAIK.

[markiii]

yeah that ties with the conversation I had with Paul last week.

he suggested from memory that Celica St185 shafts could allow this to work on the MK3, and since the hub pattern is the same on the MK1 might be an option for you.

[Limeymk1]

yeah that ties with the conversation I had with Paul last week.

he suggested from memory that Celica St185 shafts could allow this to work on the MK3, and since the hub pattern is the same on the MK1 might be an option for you.

I've got a Rev2(ish) tubby box and driveshafts for this one. Have got new CVs that fit the Mk1 hubs as well.:thumbsup:

[Jaemus]

fair call. however, with the NA box on my 3VZ swap, ive experienced no torque steer to date, admittedly your setup will be slightly different, but i fail to see how the bracket could become that much more inportant between the difference in torque output between a 3VZ and a 1MZ, if infact the 1MZ does actually make much more torque?

but hey, if its easy enough to fix, fix it, i just find the whole bracket setup irritating lol

[Finalrights]

Any updates on the ITB set-up?

[Limeymk1]

Not at the moment I'm afraid, the people making my manifold decided they couldn't so I'm going to go and talk to Luke at Pacific Works about making one for me.

I'd like to get the engine in the car so I've got an idea about clearances/positioning. Need the V6 jig for that when Paul's all done with it.:hidesbehi

[OlberJ]

That's my fault Limey, it should have been with you well before it had to go back to Paul. Sorry.

[Limeymk1]

Lol, no worries Olie, I'm actually contemplating doing it the 'old school way'. Need a practice welder and some angle iron for an engine dolly then some shuffling will be done.:thumbsup:

[Finalrights]

Any progress Limey?

[Limeymk1]

Sweet FA, no money, no time and not a lot of motivation at the moment. :sad:

[Limeymk1]

Got the engine off the stand thanks to Malc (Tiamat) Stuart (Jaspa) and Richard (RedMk1) and onto my engine dolly (welding practice for me).

Then whacked the flywheel and clutch on:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/226.jpg

BTW we did align the clutch after the pic was taken. lol

Then the box:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/227.jpg

Spaghetti anyone?:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/228.jpg

Thought I'd better hang onto it for a while.

[Limeymk1]

OK advice needed, just done the back plate for the supported shaft:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/261.jpg

Offered up the drive shaft:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/262.jpg

It seems like the only way to fit the top plate and still have access to the bolt will be to offset it like so:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/263.jpg

Question is will this be strong enough, I'll only be able to get 1 support plate under the opposite edge as the bearing holder is almost flush to the edge of the top plate if you see what I mean.:hmm:

Oh I got a bit excited in the engine bay as well. :freak3:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/264.jpg

[Paul Woods]

chris if you have a look at loadswines mk3 v6 thread on page 7 ....

http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=9693&page=7

thats pretty much what i had to do to get the supported shaft to work,it will be plenty strong enough mate.....im doing the same thing on my car with the celica shaft set up.

by the way your supported shaft block area is completely different to mine isnt it!!! now thats a bit odd,why would toyota make two designs of block but call them both mz series?

[Limeymk1]

Cheers Paul, I stared at that for a good hour or so before even starting my bracket. lol

Should get it done today I hope, s'gonna be a big bracket though!:eek2:

It is somewhat odd that the blocks are so different.:confused:

[Whore of Babylon]

when using a 3sgte box (with a 5VZ,3VZ or 1MZ) you dont need to make any new brackets right? If so it whould be good to know now casue i dont have any of that stuff in my V6 list of parts and mods.

[Limeymk1]

I believe with the VZ you don't need to make anything up but with Paul my MZs we have. Although Paul is using a 3SGE box with Celica driveshafts and I am using a 3SGTE box.

If you have a supported shaft bracket and bearing with the MZ you may be able to get the driveshaft from the 3SGTE box to fit, but I didn't have one so needed to make up the bracket.

[Limeymk1]

Oh and driveshafts were reconditioned yesterday afternoon, thanks for the advice on their disassembly Paul.:thumbsup:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/276.jpg

Scuse the nasty carpet, I haven't got round to redecorating my kitchen yet. :hidesbehi

Still need to do some tweaking with the bracket, will get some pics up later.

[OlberJ]

Did sir experience ball-ache at all?

[Limeymk1]

Did sir experience ball-ache at all?

lol First one (supported shaft) took a couple of minutes after reading the very handy guide. Second one for some reason took a few more attempts to get in. Wasn't too evil, I was expecting the bearings to be smaller and more of them. :freak3:

[snowtigger]

ha remeber doing some rs turbo driveshaft cvs years ago .we got the shaft in a vice and my boss then trys to hammer them of to no avail while he goes of to find a bigger hammer i clean all the gunk from inside the cv and there inside keeping the inner cage in is one big circlip gets me circlip pliers out takes it off cv falls onto the bench boss comes back jaw hits the floor and just looks at me and says how the fook did u get that of brain versus brawn i say.

[Limeymk1]

Support bracket 95% complete, need to grind down the reinforcing piece so I can get the driveshaft passed.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/355.jpg

Welds need grinding down as well, didn't do a very good job of the outside ones (shakey hands at the time). :hidesbehi

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/01/356.jpg

[Goldy]

Nice weldage :)

[Limeymk1]

Manifolds and downpipe purchased from the good ol US of A. :jump:

Don't think I'll be able to do much on the car 'til Sunday, only got 5 days leave 'til May anf f'all flexi. >:[

[Paul Woods]

nice bracket mate! thats uber strong.

ive noticed on these shiney fannymoulds that the rear one overhangs a lot further than the stock cast fanny does.... it may even mean a doctoring of the rear crossmember and boot wall,but nothing too major....i will detail that bit when i come to do mine

[Limeymk1]

Cheers Paul, it still needs a wee bit of fettling but I hope it will be strong enough (it's only the second bit of fabricating I've done).:pray:

Will keep an eye on your thread re the fannymoulds.:thumbsup:

[Limeymk1]

Cheers Paul, it does still need some fettling but I hope it's tough enough (it's only my second bit of fabricating).

Will keep an eye on your thread re the fannymold fittment. :thumbsup:

[Limeymk1]

Finally finished the damn thing, fitted (welds seem ok after grinding the ounter ones down):

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/02/87.jpg

And painted:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/02/88.jpg

And had a play with my dash setup.:thumbsup:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/02/89.jpg

[OlberJ]

That's looking good Limey. Very good.

I like the solution for the supported shaft carrier, as opposed to creating a whole new one, just mod the one that's there. Hinteresting :hmm:

Does it weigh much?

That dash is gonna look proper boss aswell :thumbsup:

[Whore of Babylon]

Finally finished the damn thing, fitted (welds seem ok after grinding the ounter ones down):

http://star.walagata.com/w/limeymk1/DSS4.JPG

And painted:

http://star.walagata.com/w/limeymk1/DSS5.JPG

And had a play with my dash setup.:thumbsup:

http://star.walagata.com/w/limeymk1/Dash2.JPG


Ohhh, GET A TOWEL... QUICK!!! :freak3:

your dash is going to be hot as, good job so far:thumbsup:

[Limeymk1]

Cheers Chaps!

Doesn't weigh much Olie, it's pretty much the same kind of thing that Paul made up for the V6 Mk3. The MZ bracket won't fit the tubby shaft either.

Hope the Dash turns out ok, that's prototype Mk1. The real one will have 3 gauges on one side and 2 on t'other. Just cutting out the plastic at the mo, trying not to make too many fuck ups. lol Gotta get it right I've only got 1 piece of carbon fibre sheet. :shifty: :pray:

[Paul Woods]

fab job on the carrier bracket limey! that looks bang on :thumbsup:

[Limeymk1]

Dash updatage.

Tonights work included, drilling out the shape of the dials on a sheet of acrylic:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/02/96.jpg

Smoothing them out with el dremel:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/02/97.jpg

Drilling warning light, high beam and indicator holes. And breaking one of the securing tabs (ARSE). lol

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/02/98.jpg

Fitted the gauges to see what it looks like anyway:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/02/99.jpg

Looks like it's gonna have to be carbon fibre, the ol Acrylic's too brittle.

[OlberJ]

That's gonna look good when it's done sir. Very impressive.

Is the speedo in the middle, the digital guage?

[Limeymk1]

Aye 'tis an SPA Speedo will be driven from a hall sensor at the supported drive shaft (Just hope the cable's long enough).

Rev counter above it, oil temp/press to the right. Fuel press, voltmeter and water temp to the left. :mrgreen:

[jimi]

Looks like it's gonna have to be carbon fibre, the ol Acrylic's too brittle.
Chris
It depends a lot what kind of acrylic you get, some of it is very brittle as I discovered when I was doing my rear light mod.
The 3mm red tinted acrylic I used for the spoiler mod is much more flexible, won't crack/shatter when you are drilling/cutting it and it's easily formed with heat.
The company I got it from are a pleasure to deal with and very friendly and helpful, I have no hesitation in recommending them :thumbsup:

They do coloured acrylic (3,5 & 6mm opaque ) and tinted (3 & 5mm see through) in a range of colours. They also do a range of acrylic tube in different diameters.
Prices are very reasonable and they also offer a cutting service ( first 4 cuts free )

I reckon if you sent them a accurate drawing they would cut the whole panel including holes for you, well worth an email IMHO
This is them RED Ltd Plastic Online (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Plastic-Online_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d999QQftidZ2QQtZkm )
And no I'm not associated with them in any way other than being a very satisfied customer ;) It's a pleasure to deal with a company that provides good service :thumbsup:

[Paul Woods]

chris thats fantastic bud,love it.

[Limeymk1]

Cheers for the info Jimi, the stuff I'm using is 3mm extruded Acrylic. It's pretty tough and flexible, just didn't like a 6mm drill being stuck in it. lol

I'm thinking about it being bounced around with all those gauges in it isn't going to be healthy for the plastic, even if I double up the thickness. I've had a small sheet of 4mm carbon fibre board floating around for ages. Shouldn't take long to knock into shape. :thumbsup:

[Limeymk1]

Just spoken to Bruce at Merlin Developments about ITBs and he say's they've had well over 400bhp out of the MZ. :eek2: I said I didn't quite want that much..........................................yet. lol

[OlberJ]

N/A???

Fuck me.

[biteme]

N/A???

Most I've ever heard off was 375bhp on the VZ - must have been the VVTi and mega lift cams/revlimit - maybe destroked a little for more revs and a better rod ratio? I know upwards of 13:1 will prob require C16 or some other race fuel - could have been on that.




Fuck me.

No

[OlberJ]

Go on, i'll let you dress up.

[biteme]

Go on, i'll let you dress up.

Sshh, Ana might find out

[Limeymk1]

Well I believe they did work for the Lexus touring cars and have made up cranks, rods, flywheels etc for the MZ range (inc 3.4l).

He said they have experience in turblo applications on it and I seem to remember mentions of 700bhp. :eek2: I really should have been taking notes. :hidesbehi

[biteme]

Yeah, I've heard of the MZ range being stroked/bored to 3.4l, after-all the 3MZ is a 3.3ltr unit so it's not a massive deal to fetch another 100cc from 6 cylinders over all, is it? :P

But 400bhp on ITBs must sound incredible. I bet the whole rotating assembly is uber-light and it's cost a f***ing fortune to get it to that power.

[Limeymk1]

Lol when I said inc the 3.4 I mean't the 3MZ.

Will report back when I have more info.

[biteme]

avanti Jerry!
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/02/175.jpg

[Limeymk1]

OK well have spoken to Bruce @ Merlin again and it turns out they have only tweeked the 3GRFSE. :banghead:

If anyones interested they have several engines for sale:

4l Twin Turbo V6, race spec developing 540bhp @ 0.6bar, 700bhp @ 1 barand over 1k bhp @ 2 bar. A snip at £30,000. lol

4l N/A, similar spec developing 440bhp for the bargain price of £20,000!

All including dry sump, forged crank, programmable ECU etc.

Or for those on a budget a standard unit can be bought for £2,000. rotflmao

In summary :moon:

[snowtigger]

Hahaha a mk1 with that in i wonder how quick it would go before trying to flip it self.

[Conor]

Cheers for the info Jimi, the stuff I'm using is 3mm extruded Acrylic. It's pretty tough and flexible, just didn't like a 6mm drill being stuck in it. lol

I'm thinking about it being bounced around with all those gauges in it isn't going to be healthy for the plastic, even if I double up the thickness. I've had a small sheet of 4mm carbon fibre board floating around for ages. Shouldn't take long to knock into shape. :thumbsup:
Have you considered taking a stock gauge cluster and ripping out the PCB, painting the clear cover whatever color you like and mounting the gauges in that instead?

[Limeymk1]

Hi Connor,

I hadn't condidered that, no. It's a good alternative, although I'm not too sure if the cover will be strong enough to hold all the gauges it's a fair old weight I'm sticking on there.:hmm:

[Conor]

Give it a shot!

or.. here's an alternate method of securing tabs:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/02/285.jpg

[Limeymk1]

That's exactly what I'm going for. :thumbsup:

I marked up the carbon fibre for cutting last night, will attack it tonight. :jump:

[Limeymk1]

Dash done in carbon fibre, BLING! :D

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/03/118.jpg

[OlberJ]

That's top drawer Mr Limestone. :thumbsup:

Which dials are going where?

[Limeymk1]

Cheers Olie

Still need to find a voltmeter for the empty hole (previous pics had a boost gauge). Oil temp & press to the right. Water temp, fuel press and volt to left. Tacho in centre. :D

Warning lights are the 4 holes to the right of the speedo and the 3 above the tacho are indicators (red diode left, green diode right lol) and high beam light.

Fuel gauge will prob go under the stereo.

[Paul Woods]

looking grand there mr worrall.... soz about not getting the jig out to you yet,ive been snowed under,i will sort it soon though :thumbsup:

[Limeymk1]

No worries Paul, no big rush I won't have time to do any welding until next weekend anyway.

[Limeymk1]

Not much new to report, jig arrived the other week (Cheers Paul:thumbsup:)
and was fitted to the car after drilling out the snapped bolts where it attaches to the suspention turrets:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/35.jpg

All the engine mounts are now sliced and diced to fit and will be welded in as soon as I get my welder back. :banghead:

Fitted a blingy sandwich plate and my oil gauge senders.:shades:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/36.jpg

My Mrs fixed up my busted cam belt cover and gave it a couple of coats of paint. Cheers Cassi.:praise2:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/37.jpg

[OlberJ]

Nice juan son, progress is progress. :thumbsup:

U decided what you're gonna be managing this with yet?

[Limeymk1]

This lil puppy.:D

http://star.walagata.com/w/limeymk1/1MZFE/DTA.jpg

[Limeymk1]

Engine mounts welded in, I'm not 100% happy with the weld quality to the thinner metal but the welds to the chassis rail are good IMO:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/126.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/127.jpg

And painted:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/128.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/129.jpg

Even had enough Por15 left to give the Jig a coat.:thumbsup:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/04/130.jpg

[Paul Woods]

dont forget to sign the jig too :)

[OlberJ]

Nice progress Limey, now get hanging! :thumbsup:

[loadswine]

Nice work, and that ecu looks very interesting as well. Looking forward to seeing how you get on with that.

[sadako]

Going well.

Chris if your welder is unavailable again you can borrow mine. I can't use it anyway right now as I have no garage and it is raining all the time...

[Limeymk1]

Started playing with the loom the other night.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/05/72.jpg

Got it down to about 26 wires. :shhh:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/05/73.jpg

Think I will be using the old loom as it'd be a PITA to wire all the ignitors & injectors up. Altho fresh wiring may be needed for bigger injectors. :hmm:

Think 440's would be too big? I have a set of recon ones on my shelf.

[Paul Woods]

we used 440's on whoozys v6 and it actually ran ok at idle on the stock ecu,the extra fuel being injected was compensated for in closed loop by the O2 sensors and the ecu was able to throttle back the larger injectors to keep them from overfuelling... this was in closed loop only mind you,at higher rpm in open loop it will overfuel badly on the stock ecu,but you have a standalone anyway so i just typed all this for no reason :)

[Limeymk1]

Can't believe how quick the last month's gone!

All I've managed to do is get frustrated over my dash wiring. lol I ended up printing off the Mk1 wiring loom and sticking it to my dining room wall.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/06/73.jpg

But at least I got the dash finished and installed:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/06/72.jpg

I'm going to have to wait until I get a battery in the car to test it so I've not finished off some of the trim round the edges of the instrument panel.

[Paul Woods]

awesome work mate

[Limeymk1]

Cheers Paul. :cool:

Did a bit more today, fitted the lower half of my chassis brace (girder) so the exhaust manifold'll fit:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/06/107.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/06/108.jpg

Think that'll hold it. Lol

Oh and do you think this would piss off the purists? lol

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/06/109.jpg

[Paul Woods]

nice girder!! thats neater than mine by miles,i should have done it that way.

No i think hurtling past the purists at mach 2 will do the job already :thumbsup:

By the way what gauge are you using for a speedo? and fuel?

[Limeymk1]

Lol cheers Paul, I'm a bit unsure about the top part of the girder, it's a load thicker than the metal of the original cross brace. The sides'll be ok to weld but the top's bloody toinfoil. I'm mconsidering buying some 2mm sheet steel to finish it all off with. :hmm:

Speedo's the SPA thingy, it runs off a hall sensor on the supported shaft.

The fuel gauge, unfortunately will have to go in a pod somewhere. I've put in a new sender (after much swearing), only bummer is that it's a marine gauge so has a nice little ships wheel picture on the gauge face. lol

[Limeymk1]

Gauge fitted:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/06/195.jpg

Not what I wanted, but it'll do.

[Whore of Babylon]

For now you mean, you can play with it later when the car is up and running

[Paul Woods]

ahoy mehearties!! that be a boat gauge! :)

[Limeymk1]

Yaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr!!! We be boarding them barges soon capn!

[OlberJ]

Your buying a Mk2?

[Conor]

Oh and do you think this would piss off the purists? lol

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/06/109.jpg
Needs to be higher to catch the air coming off the roof. And if you could extend the stock TOYOTA visor rearward a bit more, all the better :)

[Limeymk1]

Finished welding up the brace last night, would have been done on Saturday but I blocked a welder tip at about 8pm and couldn't get a new ones 'til yesterday (10 for £1.82:thumbsup:) lol

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/1.jpg

Backside of the girder:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/2.jpg

Got a bit carried away stripping the rust off the boot underside. :hidesbehi

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/3.jpg

Still got more to remove but using the grinder past 10pm is kinda frowned on where I live. Plus I was knackered. lol

[OlberJ]

Blocked a welder tip? How the fuck did u manage that?





















:whistle:

[Paul Woods]

listen to her lol mr welder tip blocker 2008 :)

[Limeymk1]

From Mr Woods' response I take it you're an expert in the field Olie? lol

[OlberJ]

8 years he's had that welding tip.

I reckon i was just unlucky, it was like welder roulette. lol

[Limeymk1]

Got some power to the dash. :thumbsup:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/85.jpg

Still needs some fettling on the sender wires for 2 gauges, can you tell which ones?

Painted the underside of the boot.:thumbsup:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/07/86.jpg

[Paul Woods]

small steps mate,small steps :thumbsup:

[OlberJ]

small steps mate,small steps :thumbsup:

Is Nik back already?

[Limeymk1]

small steps mate,small steps :thumbsup:

lol Well I've just bought this (birthday present to myself) so the steps may get bigger. :jump:

http://www.justoffbase.co.uk/Folding-Crane-Yankee-1ton-KD-Type-Sealey-SC10

[Limeymk1]

Nigel (Altiss) has had the bits for a couple of months now, I spoke to him the other week and he still hasn't had a go at it. He's had loads to do on the Red Victor and tons of other work coming in.

Not too fussed at the moment as the engine's not in yet.

He's going to do my fuel rail as well and has offered to do air boxes but I think I'll be going for twin K&N panel filters. Summat like this:

http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=56-1770

or

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?cls=ROAD&pcode=K/N56-9186-1

Will let you know as soon as it's done mate.:thumbsup:

[Limeymk1]

Well I finally got the f'in thing in the car, nice to have a bit of space in the garage. lol

Car got hoiked up:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/08/171.jpg

And engine shoved in with mucho help from Cassi (cheers hun):

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/08/172.jpg

I need to fettle the spacers a bit so it sits level and the rear bank is very close to the rear cross member which is a bit of a concern but I'm guessing that the torque mounts'll help with that and the car's still at quite an angle.

But the engine does sit bloody low Paul! :eek2:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/08/173.jpg

And the driveshaft pokes out a bit of a way. :hmm:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2008/08/174.jpg

I need to check that it's not stretched out tho as that pic was taken just before I hit the sack.

[OlberJ]

Nicxe one Limey! Progress at long last.

It does look low but it's right in line with the wheels so should be fine. About the same clearance as the 3VZ tbh.

[Limeymk1]

I'll pop the suspension back on the car and see how it all fits together. :pray:

[TbarTurbo]

Good work there fella, your thread pictures do not do your work justice though, and my reservations on the dash, i hadnt seen it lit up, so im liking that too :)

Looking at that shaft poking out now, and the massive clearance between cam cover and chassis, maybe paul could confirm that clearance is normal? Or have you checked the shaft was extended? As you used pauls jig i would assume the shaft just isnt home properly. Looking forward to seeing the intake sorted :)

And what is your twin throttle body stock intake all about ?! :d

[Limeymk1]

And what is your twin throttle body stock intake all about ?! :d

Seems like the engine is one of the first of the VVTi MZFEs, approx 2001. That's when they had the twin throttles and cast manifold. The plastic manifolds & single TBs came in around 2002.

Suspension on and it all fits! Woot!!!

[Goldy]

Seems like the engine is one of the first of the VVTi MZFEs, approx 2001. That's when they had the twin throttles and cast manifold. The plastic manifolds & single TBs came in around 2002.

Suspension on and it all fits! Woot!!!

Great news matey! :thumbsup:

[Limeymk1]

Mmmmmmmmmmm ITBeeeeeeees

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/02/22.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/02/23.jpg

Flanges need a bit of fettlage to fit but they're rather blingy. :afro:

[monkeymax]

You bastard Chris - I've just drooled all over my keyboard! lol

That looks really sweet - nice one! :thumbsup:

[loadswine]

Outstanding, can't wait to hear these in action. Well done! :thumbsup:

[Limeymk1]

Cheers chaps. Can't wait to get the damn things fitted, too bloody cold out there at the moment tho.8O

Plumbing and front torque mount almost complete, brakes done, clutch hose done and expansion tank relocated as well. So getting there very slowly. :hidesbehi

[OlberJ]

He's Alive! lol

And bearing gifts for our eyes and ears :cool:

I was gonna ask what you've done about the waterways but it's a 1MZ so it's seperate. Sweet.

Cannot wait to hear this thing.

Can i ask how much they set you back and where u got them made Chris?

[SlipSlide]

Oh God :thumbsup: The money shot, I need to sleep after that:eek2:

A nice carbon airbox on top of that now would be just lovely. Oh and more close up pics please.

[OlberJ]

Noooooo, leave them open lol

[Limeymk1]

Few more angles::thumbsup:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/02/24.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/02/25.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/02/26.jpg

They were made by Altiss engineering in Leicester. Cost was £850 all in. :eek2:

I think the airbox, with a 5.7 chevy V8 panel filter ontop, will be integral with the fucking great scoop I'll need to fit on the engine lid .:shades:

[OlberJ]

I can hear them already. :mrgreen:

Money well spent.

[Whore of Babylon]

Ohhh thoes babys are sex!

[Paul Woods]

Chris that is the nicest thing i've seen on TB's pages for quite some time! simply awesome.... that is going to sound ....well ,quite good id imagine! :thumbsup:

[Bev]

That is simply stunning. How are you going to get the air metering working though?

Bevan

[Limeymk1]

That is simply stunning. How are you going to get the air metering working though?

Bevan

Air metering? rotflmao

Two possibilities. There are two vacuum ports on each ITB so I could make up a little balance pipe with one feed per ITB and read MAP off that (works for some of the Honda bods). Or just run the engine with TPS, crank and cam sensor input as the controlling inputs and no air metering at all.

Thanks for all the positive comments it's deadened the sound of my screaming wallet. lol

Next on the list is exhaust manifold and downpipe, need a source for cheap mandrel bends. Anyone know of one? Jetex will end up close enough to the quote I got from Haywards and Scott not to bother DIYing it.

[Limeymk1]

Reckon these prices are reasonable?

http://www.ojzengineering.co.uk/product_index.php

[Sparky]

that really is pure pornography.

[OlberJ]

Those prices look not bad at all Chris. The projects in there are brilliant too!

[Limeymk1]

Those prices look not bad at all Chris. The projects in there are brilliant too!

Been reading the 'how to make a performance exhaust manifold' in the tech section. Wonder if my stainless welding's up to it?

Only issue is the number of pipes I'd need to buy so I could make it. I would prob need half a dozen of each angle bend for each manifold, just so I had the bits to play with. :hmm:

[adamh]

Reckon these prices are reasonable?

http://www.ojzengineering.co.uk/product_index.php


purdy good, i paid £50 for a st/s 3" flexi before and that was the best price back then

[Limeymk1]

Fettled the manifolds and plonked the ITBs on today. :jump:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/02/59.jpg

Still lots to do on the old girl.

[craig87]

Love it just love it mate

[Sparky]

turn key! :D

Nice, will sound pretty angry i imagine when completed.

[nikwills]

Great build thread tho your avatar is a bit distracting!!!

[arcturius]

I agree with Nik on all counts. ;) (who is she?)

Can't wait to hear that thing run!

[Limeymk1]

I agree with Nik on all counts. ;) (who is she?)

Can't wait to hear that thing run!

lol Charlotte Church before she became a fat bloater. lol

Can't wait to hear it running either. :driving:

Exhaust manifold fettling next. Woot! lol

[arcturius]

I guess she never made the news or tabloids on this side of the pond. It would appear that pop is the same everywhere: best viewed when muted. :D


What are your plans for air cleaners? It looks like you're running out of room under the engine lid.

[Limeymk1]

What are your plans for air cleaners? It looks like you're running out of room under the engine lid.

Set of 6 trumpets and an air box with a panel filter ontop, I'm going to cut a nice big 'ole in the engine lid and fabricate a scoopy thing to shelter the filter from our loverly UK weather. lol

[Marksman]

I'm going to cut a nice big 'ole in the engine lid and fabricate a scoopy thing to shelter the filter from our loverly UK weather. lol

:hmm: IMZ, ITB's and a water ingestion system...

O.S.

[Limeymk1]

:hmm: IMZ, ITB's and a water ingestion system...

O.S.

lol Good point Owen but I'm not sure how else to do it. There will be a lip on the lower edge and a decent overhang to shield things (plus mesh).

I could use one of these instead:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/02/87.jpg

Still planning at the moment I'll prob buy a paper filter first and fabricate the airbox round that.

[Limeymk1]

New addition to the collection:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/03/157.jpg

£51 off ebay for all 6.

I may end up trimming the flange off but not before Cass has taken a mould or two for a Carbon Fibre set. :shades:

[arcturius]

Are those cast parts?

[Limeymk1]

Are those cast parts?

Yep they are. Although they may end up just being moulds for carbon fibre trumpets. :mrgreen:

Starting on the wiring tomorrow.

[Limeymk1]

Ok so there was little wiring done over the weekend but we (Cassi, Vashy and myself) did get my Varley bolted in the boot:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/03/252.jpg

And the silly wing on:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/03/253.jpg

Summat I hadn't put up was the position of the coolant overflow bottle:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/03/254.jpg

[SlipSlide]

I am going down the same road and putting the expansion bottle, vacum canister and any other loose fitting item into the boot to help clean up the engine bay a bit.

Still loving the ITB's, should be a lovely swap when she is finished.

[OlberJ]

Keep it all in the bay i reckon, it looks neater. Just IMO.

[hmmmmm]

Those itb are awesome, i think i need to go and change my pants..




The wing on the other hand...i would rather have my dirty pants on my car..lol

[Limeymk1]

The wing on the other hand...i would rather have my dirty pants on my car..lol

rotflmao It's going to be fettled a bit. Different end pieces and maybe a different height. :hmm:

[jaspa]

rotflmao It's going to be fettled a bit. Different end pieces and maybe a different height. :hmm:

Was gonna say that it looks a little low :rolleyes:

[cassi]

Was gonna say that it looks a little low :rolleyes:


Well....we were thinking of lowering it to your standards Stu but we were worried about ground clearance :tease:

[EarL]

Holy mother of gawd! Awsome Chris! That thing's going to sound incredible when it runs.

Hurry up and get it finished...

[NDR008]

Looking good mate. If only I had as much determination and space as you (even if you don't have all that much space lol :P

My last conversion and the conversions I did for others seem to have taken all my puff, and they were not as 'custom' as this. Hat off to you mate.

[Whore of Babylon]

Please sir....may i have some more.....PICTURES!!!! :)

[Limeymk1]

More pictures he says hmmmm, well this is the progress so far:

My boot looks like it's been invaded by son of spaghetti monster:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/05/39.jpg

The engine's looking a bit more healthy, although there still seems to be an endless number of things to do.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/05/40.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/05/41.jpg

Today I was mostly making sure all the gauges worked and connecting them up to the senders, that and rewiring the cam sensors and VVTI control.

Dash now does mostly what it's supposed to, the fuel pressure gauge still won't zero unless grounded but as it's 10-one hundred and something psi I guess it needs some pressure to work properly. :hmm:

http://file.walagata.com/w/limeymk1/1MZFE/DashMov.AVI

It's nice to be putting things back together, my dash and surrounding trim is back on for the first time in over a year. lol

[semtexcow]

tasty dash, love the 2" gauges
but why is the left indicator light red???

[Limeymk1]

2 words, Port & Starboard. :mrgreen:

[semtexcow]

i take it the air trumpets will have airfilter socks over them?
from the pics they seem like they will be very close to the engine bay lid

they do look the dogs :)

[Limeymk1]

If I stick with them yes but there's a carbon fibre airbox on the cards too.

Engine bay lid will develop a large hole, I'm training the metal moths at the moment.

[Limeymk1]

Next question for the experts:

I have 3 wires on the alternator (not including the fat one to the battery), on my MZ they're Blue/white, black/red and yellow. Any idea where they're supposed to go? The colours don't match up to the wiring diagrams and I'm not sure if the positions on the alternator have any relation to those on the wiring diagram.

Edit: Scratch that I think I've got it. :mrgreen:

[NDR008]

Lol, I was just about to start asking people at work. Looking good dude.

[Limeymk1]

Lol, I was just about to start asking people at work. Looking good dude.


Cheers Nadir, I may have questions for you and the bods at Denso later on.

Don't suppose you've got any 23250-42010 injectors floating about? (Supra 440cc top feed) :shifty:My suplier's let me down big time. >:(

[biteme]

Cheers Nadir, I may have questions for you and the bods at Denso later on.

Don't suppose you've got any 23250-42010 injectors floating about? (Supra 440cc top feed) :shifty:My suplier's let me down big time. >:(

I'm sure I've got a set @ Woodsport mate - PM Paul and ask him...

[Limeymk1]

Cool, would you be willing to part with just 2? I bought 4 ages ago for a 4AGTE project so just need a pair.

[GregLeBon]

Cool, would you be willing to part with just 2? I bought 4 ages ago for a 4AGTE project so just need a pair.

I've just seen this...I think I have a pair available.......!

Not sure of the part number: I'll check tonight if you want? But they're Supra 7MGTE items, so 99% sure gonna be the same p/n....?

[Limeymk1]

That'd be great if you could Greg, they may have 23209-42010 on them but IIRC it's the same part (different country).

[biteme]

Cool, would you be willing to part with just 2? I bought 4 ages ago for a 4AGTE project so just need a pair.

I'd prefer to get rid of all 4 mate. Find out if there are some @ Woodsport and if there are, we'll sort something out :)

[GregLeBon]

Cheers Nadir, I may have questions for you and the bods at Denso later on.

Don't suppose you've got any 23250-42010 injectors floating about? (Supra 440cc top feed) :shifty:My suplier's let me down big time. >:(


You have PM..!

[Limeymk1]

You have PM..!

Got the injectors this morning, cheers Greg. Next stop for them will be Tony to be fettled. :jump:

[OlberJ]

So where you at now with this Chris?

Am itching to hear this running.

[Limeymk1]

So where you at now with this Chris?

Am itching to hear this running.

Things left to do are:

Wiring:
Injectors - need ballast resistors
Coils - pretty straight forward
Sensors - Cam, crank, water temp, air temp, TPS, knock (not too important), MAP (if I decide to use one), speedo (only got a couple of bits to do on that)
Fuel pump - ECU has a control output for the relay so will need to figure out wiring on that
Engine fan - Do I need one?

I'll get the ECU mounted next week so I can get on with the sensor wiring. I've got 90% of the wires routed so it's a case of connecting everything up to the ECU and N1.

Other hardware:
Air box
Exhaust manifolds and mid section (that'll be fun)
Finish the oil cooler bits (awaiting connectors fron demon tweeks)
One last connector on the coolant system (as above)

Not looking forward to doing the exhaust bits but at £750 for a custom stainless one I think I'll have to bite the bullet and butcher the one I bought and make up pipework so it fits properly :icon_eek:

Oh and a bit of rust to be welded up on the passenger side sill and an engine lid to destroy.

[Limeymk1]

Question: do I need to connect the shielding on the shielded cable to ground?

Oh and what resistors would be best to use for my injectors (DTA doesn't like injector impedances below 5 ohm)? I've found some 3.3ohm 10W wire wound ones at Maplin which will raise the impedance to 6.1ohms. Think they'll be ok?

[NDR008]

What are the shielded cables of? Usually you're always safe grounding shielding.

Regarding the impedance, I will ask at work if a 10W resistor of 3.3ohms would do it.
What are the injector's impedance?

[Limeymk1]

The shielded cables are for the Cam/crank sensors Nadir.

The injectors are 2.8ohm impedance.The DTA manual says that the injectors should be 5ohm or more (to protect the drivers), however I know some of the guys using the DTA P8 have got away with simply adding resistors to bring up the total resistance to above 5ohms.

[NDR008]

Argg, second time I am writing this, don't know what happened to my reply.

So here goes, I double checked with the Electronics ECU engineer to make sure I was not going to be talking crap.

Packing resistors on the injectors would make the ECU not die basicly. But it would be a very hack fix solution because:

Injectors are solenoid based devices, and it is why you quote it as 'impedance' and not resistance. Impedance is a measure of 'resistivity' for non passive components. If maybe you ever played with magnetic fields and things like that - you might remember, as you move a metal piece through an electrical field - you get a reverse current and a varying 'resistance'. Hence the impedance of injectors have a lagging/leading effect with the voltage.

Resistors don't do this. So you would have to put resistors big enough to make sure that at no point in time more than the rated current passes to the injector.
The flip side of this, your injector will have a slow opening, messed up spray pattern, etc.

The effect might be insignificant or not. Obviously, people that have used resistors to make it worth - will tell you it worked and that it, they have not checked if the ECU is barely hanging on and if or by how much better it works when using the correct injectors.

Our advice is - shell the dosh for proper high impedance injectors.
I asked if you could modify the ECU - short answer - no. Long answer: possibly, depending on:
The harness
The feedback circuitry inside the ECU
The power delivery path inside the ECU

Regarding the CAM Crank harness.
I am guessing you have something like a twisted pair passing through a shielding. The shielding should NOT be grounded on the sensor side, but should be grounded on the ECU side - is there a pin out such as CAM/Crank ground/earth?
If you unsure of this, scan the wiring and photo of both ends of the harness, I will show it to the engineer and get back to you again.

Hope that helps,
Nadir ;)

[jimi]

Just ground 1 end of the shielding not both.
Take care, because impedance and resistance aren't the same thing, just adding resistors may not achieve what you want and may kill your injector drivers (and ECU) if you get at wrong. It's a bit beyond me to explain, this quote may help


Impedence is the term used for electrical resistance (ohms)
but in an AC circuit .
in a DC circuit resistance is used.
dont ask why impedence is used and its a DC circuit cos I will be here all day trying to explain!! but it has to do with the supply being pulsed ,one pulse opens the injector and then it closes allowing fuel through the injector.
the time the injector takes to open and close is critical and must remain constant so as to allow a precise amount of fuel each time
this allows the ECU to effectively control the amount of fuel by the amount of pulses it sends to the injectors.
matching the injector resistance (impedence) to the ECU ensures that this time value is kept constant,and coupled with constant fuel pressure gives perfect mixture control.
mismatching injectors by wrong resistances or poor connections,or high resistances totaly fooks up your mixture.

[NDR008]

Which is what I tried to explain - the impedance not being pure resistance, but a measure of a related thing.

[Marksman]

Tis above my knowledge but if the injector pulse was healthy but either too long or short, but not by a lot, would the ECU not sort it out anyway via the lamda sensors?

Owen.

[Limeymk1]

Bum, I'll have a look see at the programming when I plug the ECU in and see if it allows for low impedance to be used.

This is what the manual says:

Injectors (any resistance greater than 5 Ohms or described as direct switching, subject to the current rating of the ECU outputs)

[biteme]

Tis above my knowledge but if the injector pulse was healthy but either too long or short, but not by a lot, would the ECU not sort it out anyway via the lamda sensors?

Owen.

If it was too long or too short then there;s a chance youre heading outside of what a narrow band lambda can read - that's there for minor trimming mostly and correction due to atmosphere/pressure and temperature differences

[semtexcow]

duno if this has been said already, but why dont u use a resistor pack of a gt4?
if the o2 sensor is in good working order the ecu will trim the fuel map to suit the o2
its what happens each time the battery is disconnected, it reverts back to factory map and retunes ;)

[Marksman]

If it was too long or too short then there;s a chance youre heading outside of what a narrow band lambda can read - that's there for minor trimming mostly and correction due to atmosphere/pressure and temperature differences

Fair enough :thumbsup:

Owen.

[Limeymk1]

On further reading the wiring diagram notes that if injectors below 5ohm are used a ballast resistor should be added.

Right off in search of info. Woo and I thought research ended at Uni. Lol

[Limeymk1]

Months pass and some work has been done. :woods:

Coolant system complete:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/90.jpg

Oil cooler connected up (only took 4 months to find the right adaptors :swear:)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/91.jpg

Torque mounts finished:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/92.jpg

Throttle linkage redesigned, remanufactured and fitted:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/93.jpg

Exhaust offered up:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/94.jpg

Woodsy's luverly lid:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/95.jpg

Think these'll add a few BHP? They're HKS after all! :whistle:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/96.jpg

Oh and the wiring's almost complete. :D

[hmmmmm]

Sweet, loving the colors! Cant wait to see this finished!

[adamh]

excellent work , what exhaust is that?

[OlberJ]

The wiring is almost complete? Ooooh, yes that's good news.

I cannot wait to hear these bad boys.

[SlipSlide]

Looking forward to hearing this baby start.

[Jaemus]

nice work limey!

[Limeymk1]

excellent work , what exhaust is that?

HKS I believe, I bought it a couple of years ago from Leeroy. It's Jasma stamped with a f'in great tail pipe. lol

Cheers for the comments chaps will be cracking on with the rest of it this week, altho I still need to decide what to do about the exhaust manifolds. :sad:

One thing I am concerned about is the ITB balance. The linkage I've made is as accurate as i can get with the tools that I have but the resistance on the TPS' (one per bank) looks like this as you open the ITBs:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/08/99.jpg

Think this kind of seperation is going to make a substantial difference or it it within acceptable variation? I will only be using one TPS for running the engine (although have ECU input for 2). I guess I will ony know for sure once the engine's running and I get a flow meter on the ITBs.

The scale on the bottom is in no way accurate, I couldn't measure the % throttle opening so spaced them equally between 0 and 100%.

[Icsunonove]

Looking good Chris, this project is long overdue completion!

[Limeymk1]

Aye 'tis way overdue Tom. lol

I've updated the pink pages so thought I'd best update here as well. :thumbsup:

Engine is socked up for the moment (still want to get an airbox on it at some stage) and mostly complete mechanically (missing oil breather, coolant overflow hoses and exhaust bits. Oh and a hatch cover lol )

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/09/24.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/09/38.jpg

Electrically all bar the lambda sensor is wired up and seems to be working although I need to chase up the cam sensor errors I'm getting. :hmm:

Boot still looks like the lair of the FSM.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/09/39.jpg

I've also been looking at the engine water temp sensor for the MZ and the air temp sensor from the MK1b in the attempt to get them working on the DTA and have plotted out the mV that the ECU sees against the temperature and got the following graphs:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2009/09/40.jpg

Still need to test the water sensor up at boiling point as the equation will put the mV reading at 201 for 100 deg C and -210 for 110 deg C. Once I've got a thermometer that goes up that high I'll check to see if it matches the graph. :hmm:

[Limeymk1]

Couple of tweeks:

Back box mounted:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/03/19.jpg

Bit of boot tidying in progress.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/03/20.jpg

Car's off to have it's exhaust done on the 16th. :banana: Then we're pretty much done. 8O:shhh:

[monkeymax]

8O
Just wondering if I should wait to see it before I believe it! lol

[cassi]

8O
Just wondering if I should wait to see it before I believe it! lol

All going well Max you'll see her up and running at the poker night :hehe:

[Limeymk1]

lol Don't bring beer, bring petrol.

[Diesel Meister]

Awesome - can't wait for the vids on this! TBs will sound rorty as hell :thumbsup:

[monkeymax]

lol Don't bring beer, bring petrol.

lol I'll bring some cameras too...! (big photo camera and bullet camera(s) if I can fix them in time)

[OlberJ]

Fuck yes. Videos and videos and videos please!

Nice one Chris, very nice one indeed.

[Limeymk1]

Got the 2 out this morning. First sunlight for 3 years, I'm suprised she didn't melt: lol

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/03/112.jpg

and loaded the old girl onto a hired car transporter:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/03/113.jpg

Many thanks to Malcolm (Tiamat) for the assistance, the winch on the transporter could have been mistaken for an arc welder with all the sparks that were coming off the cable and it packed up twice. 8O

She's now in the hands of the exhaust fabricator bods at Powerspeed.:pray:

Winch packed up getting the car off the loader as well. :doh:

[Paul Woods]

I can't wait to hear this thing running, nice engine lid by the way :)

[Limeymk1]

I can't wait to hear this thing running, nice engine lid by the way :)

lol I think it suits her. :mrgreen:

Must get some blue mica paint for it though. :hmm:(And the rest of the car)

[OlberJ]

I'd like to say that i've got a soft spot for this build but it's a lie, it's a fucking hard spot.

This the last piece of the puzzle Limey?

[Diesel Meister]

Limey, you have to get some drivebys / tunnel runs in it mate :thumbsup:

[Mathias Destiny]

Chris,

Hope everything went ok today, can't wait for the obligatory pics and videos :thumbsup:

You've been more than helpfull in answering my questions and that book you recommended arrived today, it is an excellent read, I've learnt a lot already. Thanks for that.

I've a few ideas in mind but still working on it and finalising things, should be a bit easier to figure things out once your car is running. Fingers crossed that it does dude.

[Limeymk1]

:thumbsup:
I'd like to say that i've got a soft spot for this build but it's a lie, it's a fucking hard spot.

This the last piece of the puzzle Limey?

lol, Well keep your hard spot off the paintwork.

Pretty much Olie, once the car's back I have to fit the LC-1, a catch can for the breather ports, get the loom secure, sort out the mess of the old alarm/immobiliser and do the wee bit of welding she'll need for MoT. Then it's time to try and start the old girl on closed loop, then tuning I guess.

I may be needing some different rear springs as the ones on her are def lower than before with the extra weight at the back. :hmm:

DM I think I may spend a day driving up and down the Dartford Tunnel. :whistle:

Phil, it's a nice easy read that book and he writes in a way that even I could understand and absorb, it's been an essential part of this project. :thumbsup:

[knightrous]

Moar pics of the ITB's :)
Keen to see how you've done them as I plan on doing them myself.

[Limeymk1]

Moar pics of the ITB's :)
Keen to see how you've done them as I plan on doing them myself.

I'll see what I can find that's not already on this thread. The socks kind of cover things up but I'll see what other pictures I can get when the car comes back.

[OlberJ]

I was out driving the Mk3 tonight and the roar from the apexi is fucking mint, i seriously can't comprehend just how good this is going to sound.

Any ideas on how much you've spent to get all the bits together Limey?

[Limeymk1]

I was out driving the Mk3 tonight and the roar from the apexi is fucking mint, i seriously can't comprehend just how good this is going to sound.

Any ideas on how much you've spent to get all the bits together Limey?

Eeerrrrrrrrrrr, um................................................ ....................














about £6-7k

[OlberJ]

Shit!

Is that including the engine? Actually did you not get that for £50? lol

Just the TB bits?

[Limeymk1]

Shit!

Is that including the engine? Actually did you not get that for £50? lol

Just the TB bits?

I think that estimate's probably including all the suspension work etc that's been done over the ears I've owned the car. Plus all the raw materials such as steel, wires etc.

The List: :shifty:

Engine

3.0 V6 (1MZFE VVTi) from 2004 Camry/RX300 (ish) ?
Individual throttlebodies -
Custom inlet manifold 850
Custom fuel rail -
440cc fuel injectors 200
Ballast resistor pack 50
Pipercross filter socks x 6 50
FSE Racing - Adjustable fuel pressure regulator 100
Silicone coolant hosing throughout engine bay 150
Stant rad cap 20
DTA S80 Pro ECU 1080
Innovate LC-1 wideband controller 140
Varley red top battery 95
Mocal oil thermostat 30
Gauge Place oil sandwich plate 30
Oil catch can & breather filter -
Custom stainless exhaust manifolds and mid section 1100
HKS Mk2 MR2 back box 200

Mk2 Turbo gearbox and driveshafts 250

Interior

OMP Bucket seat 40
Momo Millennium Steering wheel & Boss 200
Sparco Harness
Alpine Stereo

The following mounted in a carbon fibre panel replacing original gauge cluster:

Oil Pressure gauge 30
Oil Temperature gauge 30
Water temperature gauge 30
Fuel Pressure gauge 30
Voltmeter 30
SPA Digital speedo 120
LED indicator and warning lights

Fuel level gauge in pod 30

Suspension & brakes

KYB Shock absorbers 200
Whiteline progressive springs 155
Poly bushes all round 150
Stainless rear tie bars 120
High and Tight rear anti roll bar 130
High and Tight anti roll bar links (front and rear) 120
Goodridge braided hoses 60
Highspec ultralite 4 pot front callipers 800
285mm 2 piece front brake disks -

External

TD replica engine lid 150
Aero wing 40
Front driving lights 30
Radiator protector mesh over front air dam
OZ Record 5 spoke alloys 365
Clear sidelights and turn indicators 40

[Limeymk1]

For those who asked about the ITB setup, this is how I have the vacuum lines plumbed in, the suzuki ITBs have 2 ports per body. I've added the MAP sensor line to the blue vacuum lines.

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2010/03/170.jpg

All subject to change if I need to put a small vacuum plenum in, which is likely I think.

Thoughts and opinions welcome as always.

[hmmmmm]

Pic doesnt work for me?

[Limeymk1]

Pic doesnt work for me?

It's an .emf file. I can't seem to adjust it to jpeg without it going negative and half of it dissapearing. Will try .bmp. :nerd:

Nope that doesn't work, are you on windows or summat else? Teach me to do schematics in power point. :shifty:

[hmmmmm]

Schematics? Wy not use Visio?

[adamh]

thats a real nice set up, that is going to be so good to drive!

[Mathias Destiny]

Chris, image isn't working for me either?

I've had another brainwave / random idea after thinking about m set up and lookinf at some Ferarris :D

I'll pm you see what you think when i've figured it all out.

[Limeymk1]

Schematics? Wy not use Visio?

Work computers, won't even let you install a screensaver or wallpaper let alone another program. I know I shouldn't be doing stuff like that at work but I was bored. :whistle:

Changed to jpeg now.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts & ideas Phil. :thumbsup: