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Well finally pulled my finger out and started on the camry.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/08/23.jpg
Looked so daunting, i began having second thoughts,
Got round to the dash, hack saw was peeving me off so i did it the Brutal way rotflmao
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/08/24.jpg
Finally finished with this, loads to do
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/08/25.jpg
You guys make it look so easy,:freak3: that was me after 10 minutes
how many bloody fluids are there to drain :rant:
Just keep thinking about the engine sitting behind me, keeps moral high
Engine mounts
Drive shafts
Exhaust
Any tips much appreciated
Jiff Lemon
03-08-2006, 20:58
ooooo happy memories!
hack the battery tray out if you've not already done that.
Unbolt the driveshafts from the hex bolts, and slice the exhaust at the cat.
fold the wiring loom over the top and it's ready for out!
You make it sound so simple, will find out tomorrow,
Jiff, the battery tray? I already unbolted the tray, there's the one underneath this, does it have to come out?
angle grinder?lol
Jiff Lemon
03-08-2006, 21:20
Yup, otherwise it fouls on the it on the way out.
Have a look here: :)
http://twobrutal.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2978
Yep, read over your thread a few times today, one thing i'm missing is a BSM will check at the hire shop tomorrow. lol
jiff is that a seat belt you used on the engine crane?
Chop that tray makes it much easier to swing engine forward.
I found capheads very awkward on driveshafts, the sockets tend to round out with the allen key, although with care you can grind them off. Failing that just whack your grinder through the driveshaft bar itself, you won't be needing them, but grind some clearance as you go to avoid snatching!!
Sponge Bob
03-08-2006, 23:08
Fantastic work mate - got to say, that looks horrifically daunting!!! I wanted to do a V6 until I saw all the front engine bay shots lol...
lodgeman
03-08-2006, 23:12
good start mate! about another hour or so and it will be on the floor and you will be taking all the uneccesary stuff off and wondering how small it looks now!!!!:clap: :clap:
Lodge, god knows how you managed to get that engine out with no lift, do you turn big and green when any thing needs lifting lol
JB hope i don't have issues with the bolts:pray:
Bob this is the first time i'm doing anything like this:nuts:
the biggest job i've done previously was changing my suspension.
It's just the thought of having a 3.0 V6 in there :boogie:
Paul Woods
04-08-2006, 07:20
steady as she goes garbe son....its not so daunting,you are halfway there,most of what you see is automagic gearbox crap,once thats off its a lot simpler.make sure you get the vacuum cannister that sits under the battery tray,thats needed.
you will get there in the end,we will make sure of it.
Got the vacuum can,
All disconnected today, battery tray ground and chiseled off, exhaust off mounts undone etc
There's one connection left, from the steering the jiff had mentioned, it's just too tight so i'll get that when I get the engine crane (not as strong as you lodge to do it without one lol )
On the exhaust where should i cut it from just before the cat, so i have just the down pipes?
Jiff Lemon
04-08-2006, 17:34
pretty much anywhere after the flexi will do!
Couple of other useful bits - The expansion tank and its brackets (one on the inner wing, on that the peg sits on. I raided the clocks too; better to have and not need than to be kicking yourself afterwards,
Got the clocks, need the bit from the tacho that 4v6 sorted, i have kept the expansion tank but not the bracket will get that
thanks jiff:thumbsup:
Managed to get some done today
Look how much better
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/08/41.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/08/42.jpg
Gearbox came off eventually :rant:
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/08/43.jpg
Drive shaft was a bit of a pain to come off but got there in the end,
I did want to get it on the engine stand today, but i could'nt get the bolts
Could someone be kind enough to tell me the size that i need
also the stupid allen bolt for the engine cover rounded any :idea:
Paul Woods
08-08-2006, 18:39
good progress! fun aint it!
place a nut over the allen bolt and weld through the centre onto the allen bolt,then undo the nut,be quick though cos the plastic will start melting
Sorry no welding skills here :woods:
Feel really good about the progress today, can actually see how much i've done as opposed to just unduing things under the car.
excellent progress, thats what a happy camry looks like :-)
Sorry no welding skills here :woods:
Can you get the V6 in with out welding?:eh:
Or are you going to get someone else to do it?
Zip all bar one engine mounts, line up correctly, luckily Peeps makes the adapter plate for the other mount, :boogie:
So no welding for meee :boogie: :boogie: :boogie:
Zip all bar one engine mounts, line up correctly, luckily Peeps makes the adapter plate for the other mount, :boogie:
So no welding for meee :boogie: :boogie: :boogie:
Im glad to hear that:shades:
I dont know how to weld yet and i was starting to fear that i might have had to take a coarse when i finally get every thing started and start buying things.
How big are the Adapter plates btw? I might need to get one sent over when i start lol
Check through fizzy's swap, there's a picture of one
Good progress it is very satisfying ain't it especially when you keep thinking of it in the back without all that rubbish attached: auto box, ps, aircon, exhaust.
Shame you're wasting it in a Mk2 though!!
Good progress it is very satisfying ain't it especially when you keep thinking of it in the back without all that rubbish attached: auto box, ps, aircon, exhaust.
Shame you're wasting it in a Mk2 though!!
Aww crap hes got an MK2. Does the Mk1 need welding lol
mr2aw11turbo
08-08-2006, 21:56
Looking good Garbe, it's great fun taking things apart:twisted:
How big are the Adapter plates btw? I might need to get one sent over when i start lol
Do you have a MK2 or a MK1 Zip, i think the adapter plate is only a MK2 thing, alough i could be wrong
Looking good Garbe, it's great fun taking things apart:twisted:
Do you have a MK2 or a MK1 Zip, i think the adapter plate is only a MK2 thing, alough i could be wrong
Im after an MK1 :)
Zip you stick out for a Mk1 you will have to do some welding though but surely these swaps are all about challenging ourselves and learening new skills. MIG welding is not hard to learn, practice is needed with scrap.
Paul Woods
09-08-2006, 06:42
you can use peebs/4v6's adapter mount on mk1 swaps just fine....because you are custom building the chassis bracket position it attaches to on a mk1,so its position is up to you.
hold on let me get this straight, we now no longer need to grind of the drivers side engine mount and weld in a new mount for the mk2. This is insainly good news if what I'm hearing is right.
now to go back and look at fizzy's swap to find what I missed.
lodgeman
15-08-2006, 07:45
no need to do engine mounts on a mk 2 - all you need is an adapter that fourveesix/peebs can supply :thumbsup:
Ok got the engine out,
finally got the damn main pulley bolt off,
Engine on stand with intake and loom removed, looks tiny now
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/08/97.jpg
Front head (in camry)
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/08/98.jpg
Rear head
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/08/99.jpg
The rear bank is noticeably darker, front seems spotless.
Could this be down to the fact it's hotter, or is it the EGR crap that feeds in this end,
I will start a separate thread on EGR removal, as there seems to be quite a lot of the stuff.
Took the sump off and found this at the bottom,
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/08/117.jpg
I think it's a valve retainer,
i have checked the valves and non seem to be missing:confused:
superchargedsam
24-08-2006, 21:53
certainly looks like a valve retainer to me ! how odd !
scratches head!. at least it wont fit trough the oil galleys.
Just wondering how the hell it got there!!!
Checked the valves and all the keepers are there, so it must of had some work done previously and dropped down there when the heads were off.
I was doing the valve seals today, it says in the manual to not mix them up, anyhow i could'nt see anything to distinguish between them until i'd installed one side, bugger!!
So had to take them out and put the correct ones in.
So i need 6 exhaust valve seals and i intake, anybody know where i can get them other than Mr T ?3.69 + VAT each
mr2aw11turbo
25-08-2006, 19:16
So i need 6 exhaust valve seals and i intake, anybody know where i can get them other than Mr T ?3.69 + VAT each
Lodge maybe? :)
lodgeman
25-08-2006, 23:08
i dont think paul fitted my seals, so when he gets back from hols pm him and perhaps he can send them on to you mate!
i thought pul was back?
unless he replied on his phone as i asked him a question via pm
lodgeman
26-08-2006, 09:38
gets back either sunday or monday!:thumbsup:
Got some bits cleaned up today ready for some paint
heatshields
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/24.jpg
alternator bracket & VSV Bracket
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/25.jpg
Made some blanking plates
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/26.jpg
fitted
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/27.jpg
Cleaned this up also
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/28.jpg
to this
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/29.jpg
Also cleaned up the cam covers
Marksman
05-09-2006, 20:23
Very nice work there Garbe. Bit too nice for TB to be honest :hidesbehi , still it goes with the pretty-boy image of the MK2...
Right [banter mode off], that's very good work, and that's going to be a very nice car when you're done with it.
See I said nice things to a MK2 owner, but I'm off for a lie down to recover, normal service will be resumed later.
Owen.
lodgeman
05-09-2006, 23:30
nice work mate! when are you going for a fitting?
Got a bit overwhelmed a little while ago:confused: :freak3: , taking the engine out, then looking at mine and thinking about the wiring/plumbing,
So had a sit down and thought, OK 1 step at a time, so just concentrating on getting this baby back together, then it'll be onto removing my engine.
good work matey, another corker on the way..
Finished the second head today, cleaned it up and changed the valve stem seals.
Before
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/46.jpg
And after a few hours
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/47.jpg
superchargedsam
06-09-2006, 23:55
how did you get it that clean then fella ?
Stripped the head then used TFR and a couple of brushes (paint brush and toothbrush)
then a good rinse to get rid of any residue and dry with an airline.
superchargedsam
06-09-2006, 23:59
whats TFR ?
Marksman
07-09-2006, 00:00
Terrain following radar of course :slap:
or traffic film remover, but will get one of those fitted once the V6 is in :mrgreen:
superchargedsam
07-09-2006, 00:04
any particular make fella and is it the same as bug off for motorbikes as thats done a cracking job ! Even my cleaning tank doesnt clean them up like that !
I got this one from HSS hire shop, only ?7 for 5 litres.
It seems very similar to a wheel cleaner with a bit more poke.
superchargedsam
07-09-2006, 00:07
cool will check that out then !
Here's a little update,
I tore one of the sparkplug tube seals, so have to wait until wednesday for that to arrive, hence the cam covers are not bolted one, and the intake is waiting to be fitted.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/81.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/82.jpg
Fitted the timing belt, when i turned it a couple of times the marks on the belt moved along 1 tooth with each turn, this sent me into a panick, but then realised it was the marks on the cams that needed to be aligned with each turn.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/83.jpg
Also got this painted along with the other bits i posted before,
the finish looks good in the pics but upclose it ain't so good, i think to have got it better i#d of had to spend a couple of days rubbing and smoothing the intake and cam covers
But i did grind the casting marks off
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/84.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/85.jpg
superchargedsam
11-09-2006, 16:16
Paff hope your taking note fella ! that looks spot on there garbe !
Soon as the engines on the stand Sam its gonna be heading in hopefully a similar direction to this. Might even have a word with the local polishing guy, although I will be using high temp laquer as its a pain to keep the polished bits shiny without it
superchargedsam
11-09-2006, 16:39
good plan ! I have a load more stuff to give him as well ! seems the more you give him the cheaper it gets ! Love the look of the V6 and its a shame to cover the cam betl and pullys up as that part looks so cool !
Yeah would be nice to keep that visible.
Ok well we will get a load of stuff together and have another word with him.
Oh and garbe, thats looking awesome there mate, can't wait to get mine looking as good as I can now.
superchargedsam
11-09-2006, 16:44
you cant beat a freshly cleaned and built motor thats for sure !
Paul Woods
11-09-2006, 18:08
thats looking superb garbe,fancy a job? :)
Thanks guys
Paul i'll keep the offer in mind ;)
Thinking about the EGR pipe from the manifold, lodge bounced a few ideas,
I came up with this
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2006/09/94.jpg
I think it should do the trick as the metal is very hard, so should'nt open up. I was also hoping it did'nt split.
Love the look of the V6 and its a shame to cover the cam betl and pullys up as that part looks so cool !
Can't you knock something up out of perspex?
lodgeman
11-09-2006, 22:49
looking nice mate:shades: quality work:thumbsup:
superchargedsam
11-09-2006, 23:50
Jasper am trying to find a company to do them as I for one dont want my sexy spensive cam pulleys hidden behind that horrible thing !
Well started my swap again following a long break. I started working in London shortly after i got the V6 ready and have not had any time to carry on. I've taken this week off so i'm going to see how much i can get done.
Pic of the EGR pipe blanking
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/8.jpg
Car ready and waiting
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/9.jpg
And the 3SGE
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/10.jpg
I'm having some difficulty with the torsion bars that attach to the hub
what's the best way to take them off. I've undone 2 on one side but the one that has the locking pin on, i've managed to get the nut off but the thing won't come apart. Should i just undue them from the crossmember?
exhaust and lots of coolant hoses off.
I also managed to bend the heater pipes a bit.
ohh and my body is f-in aching with lots of scrapped knuckles and arms.
ohh and my body is f-in aching with lots of scrapped knuckles and arms.
You just wait. Buy a big box of bandage. You`ll need it:)
Looks good so far:)
Got the crossmember off.
Going to disconnect the wiring.
In the pic below on the left there's a grey box, now i've been looking at the wiring guide and can't figure it out.
I know i need to keep the white plug on the right, but what about the grey box?
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/19.jpg
on my car this was blue, and marked "cooling fan control"
but we have established firmly that my car exists on a different dimesional plane to your UK spec cars :) so take that with a grain of salt
OohMatron
02-04-2007, 16:24
Garbe, hoping you've got your left and rights mixed up :slap:
The grey box on the right of the photo above is the Engine Bay Fan Control ECU as J so rightly noticed..!!
In Mr Woods wiring guide you wire the fan up to an always on (with ignition) wire. I've opted not to do this and have wired the ECU back up to the temp sender on the lid, the fan and the other wires it needed.
Got an A3 diagram that I can do a copy of for you.? :thumbsup:
Garbe, hoping you've got your left and rights mixed up :slap:
Yep Slap accepted
Got an A3 diagram that I can do a copy of for you.? :thumbsup:
Yes please.
Got everything disconnected today, fuel clutch,lines etc
All that's holding the engine are the 3 mounts. phew
Lots more skin missing on the fingers today Ouch!
Need some advice, currently the car is not high enough to slip the engine out
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/31.jpg
Should I use more wood blocks to raise the car or drop the engine and then raise it?
Will it be safe having its ass so high in the air 8O
Nearly forgot.
There's a wire going to the engine lid latch, I'm guessing this is for the alarm or something. Do we just chop it?
your probably out by now?!.. if not matey its good to use a 4 x 2 beam right underneath the bulkhead right across from one side to other to get an extra few inches etc. i tilted the engine forward and dragged the bitch out under the suspension mounts mk1 i know! but cant be that different in this respect. good progress hasad wish i knew more about the v
Thanks Adam, no progress today,
Shall go with what you said, i've been podering all day about it.
what i did, was just lower the 3S to the ground, with the car at a regular height. then use the crane, attached to the now vacated engine mounts, to lift the car up over the 3S, secured with jackstands (they will go up that high), and dragged the 3S away.
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
http://www.woodsport.org/forum/images/recovered/2005/04/52.jpg
Thanks guys, I did think about the engine mounts but was unsure whether the bolts would be strong enough. Will be hopefully dropping the engine out today.
Garbe, hoping you've got your left and rights mixed up :slap:
The grey box on the right of the photo above is the Engine Bay Fan Control ECU as J so rightly noticed..!!
In Mr Woods wiring guide you wire the fan up to an always on (with ignition) wire. I've opted not to do this and have wired the ECU back up to the temp sender on the lid, the fan and the other wires it needed.
Got an A3 diagram that I can do a copy of for you.? :thumbsup:
Can i please have a copy of this?:pray:
OohMatron
04-04-2007, 13:52
Can i please have a copy of this?:pray:
Aye you can..!! Will get 'em out in the post tomorrow but with the bank holiday who knows when you'll get 'em.! ;)
Got cracking today
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/45.jpg
Then to get the bugger out.
Used the crane to lift the car, bloody hell it's hard doing it by yourself with no BSM. Car started to swing. I Couldn't get the crane to the middle cos the engine was there.
lots of pant scaring moments later, I had to drag the bastid out kicking and screaming
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/46.jpg
end result
Empty bay
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/47.jpg
Had load of trouble getting the driveshaft out.
OohMatron
04-04-2007, 18:05
Well done H :thumbsup:
I can only just imagine what it's like having to do it by yourself in a garage with a crane :freak3: I was sooooo lucky to have a workshop with a two poster..!!
At least you've got some experience in getting one out which should hopefully make it easier to get the V6 in..!! I hope..!!:pray:
Good luck..!!
Well done H
Good luck..!!
I need all i can get. cheers
End of play today saw gearbox separated from the 3S
Looking good :thumbsup:
We both had very similar days lol
Well done mate !
great work :) whats comes next with the v6? got a 4v6 and the other mounts? are you using a jig or free mounting?
Marksman
04-04-2007, 23:55
None of that graft with the MK2 boys Adam, just bolt on the 4V6 mount and then bolt all that into the chassis :thumbsup:
O.S.
Got the mount from 4V6 last september and all the other gubbins done but lack of time halted proceedings.
Tom I don't think i'll be matching your pace though.Engine out in 1 day:thumbsup:
well done garbe! yeh its fun doing it solo, i had some help at that particular stage fortunately.
im no engineer, but if i understand it correctly, the engine mount bolts are high-tensile. to qualify as high tensile, a bolt needs to have a shear strength greater than 4.4 metric tonnes. so you could have lifted it on one bolt with plenty of strength in reserve, someone who knows better may be able to clarify that point just for interest's sake.
btw, i did have my front wheels chocked, you cant see it in the photo i posted :)
which driveshaft gave you trouble? the passenger side? i spent half a day on that one, then when i pulled out the driver side one, the pass side came out alot easier for some reason.
EDIT: i see theyre still attached when you got the motor out. i was removing them in situ
None of that graft with the MK2 boys Adam, just bolt on the 4V6 mount and then bolt all that into the chassis :thumbsup:
O.S.
cool as, he'll have it running pronto then ;). just one fourveesix mount to mount and then use the standard ones?.. frikin ell!
Had stuff to do today so started at 2pm
tried lifting the car with the engine mounts but could'nt get enough clearance so I ended up taking the bumper of and using the towing eyes.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/70.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/71.jpg
Then with a little helpful advice from msherry21 and mr2aw11turbo thanks guys.
I finally got the tank out big mofo
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/72.jpg
I can't believe how small the walboro is campared to the original. Walboro came up cheapish so i thought might aswell change it and future proof, but its bloody hard.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/73.jpg
I have'nt put the tank back in, i need to solder the wiring on the new pump, i was just going to crimp it but I could'nt find my crimper and i was going to use pliers the last thing I want is for it to disconnect later on.
Looking good :thumbsup: wait till you get the v6 in that bay it's a great feeling :)
Got the pump fitted and the tank back in. Snapped a bolt :rant: that holds the coolant pipes only took me 2 hours to get the bastard out. Laying under the front end of the car with about 5 inches of clearance.
Any how thats another job done so i'm happy :thumbsup:
Looking good fella.
Great seeing Stephen with his done, and you and Tom progressing so well. More power to the Mk2 V6 I say!
Well after much too-ing and fro-ing I finally got some more done
Got the flywheel bolts cut
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/136.jpg
Then the clutch
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/137.jpg
Then lots of helpful advice from the master himself the gearbox is on
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/138.jpg
All I need is a final bolt for the gearbox which i'll get tomorrow.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/139.jpg
Jiff Lemon
09-04-2007, 22:57
Progressing nicely there; At least someone had a productive bank holiday weekend!:blush:
Jiff Lemon
09-04-2007, 23:13
in the words of kylie..... "I should be so lucky"
Another bank holiday of unpaid work :violin:
nice work mate, so you had to take the bumper off too, ive found all the plsatic clips are impossible to re-use now, so its just secured at the sides! what a pain.
looking good!
Using the towing points to lift the car is so much easier, i tried using the engine mounts but you can't get enough clearance between the car and hoist.
Using the towing points to lift the car is so much easier, i tried using the engine mounts but you can't get enough clearance between the car and hoist.
Thats how i did it too. I didnt bother taking the bumper off though:hidesbehi
Engine's in :boogie:
without cover
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/157.jpg
With cover
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/04/158.jpg
One of my gear cables is very close to the exhaust, any ideas or is this quite normal?
ooh nice! that looks fantastic!
yeh i managed to scratch up my rear bumper cos the crane pump lever was rubbing on it sometimes during hoisting. but i was able to use the engine mounts to lift the car without much trouble, taking the bumper off was a pain and as ive said getting it back on is even worse cos of the clips
garbe: gear cable near the exhaust is normal, i spoke to tony and peebs about this and they recommends making either a saddle or hook shaped bracket that attaches to the engine mount to hold the offending cable out of harms way.
http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=6323&page=28 - peeb's solution
i cant find tony's atm but let me know, or ask him, if u need more help
I got a spacer plate for the throttle cable made up.
I had the guy tap 2 of the holes so it'll just bolt in.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/05/52.jpg
The engine mount bushes were waiting for me.
The quality looks good and the metal insert is stainless steel. £44 for both delivered
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e114/Hasad/enginebushes.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e114/Hasad/enginebushes1.jpg
cantfindausername
06-05-2007, 11:40
where abouts did you get the engine mount inserts from? they seem a lot cheaper that the twosrus ones.
Superb work mate looks great :thumbsup:
Cheers Tom
Got the mounts from here.
£22 each delivered excellent price and as i said earlier the metal insert is stainless, the others aren't.
http://www.polyurethanebushes.com/index.php/cPath/127_130?osCsid=585988ba63145f12ccdd58bd0a3ddc41
A word of warning - The part numbers on the all the bushes is the same.
The rear mount goes in no probs, but the front one is a squeeze.
Had a chat with paul and apparently the turbo front mount is the same size as the rear so turbo owners should have no probs fitting the bushes.
This means that on the NA the front mount is slightly smaller.
You can fit the bush into the front mount but it is a squeeze and I had to use a vice to get it in. But it does go.
roseward
06-05-2007, 13:16
Yeah i've got a couple of those and they look extremely well made with a stainless insert, took a few days to arrive but they're really cheap in comparison with other suppliers.
Got one fitted, had to clean up the mounts first. Its a bit of a squeeze.
cantfindausername
08-05-2007, 15:45
Cool. I'll save that link for Nina as she'll be needing some.
Okey cokey
started the wiring today - sorry no pics you can imagine what it looks like, loads of wires everywhere.
I was trying to find somewhere to mount the coil/ignition module because I need to mount my alarm siren on the p/s strut tower.
I figured i'd try and use the original mk2 mount, however the camry coil is slightly larger and won't bolt to the bracket so
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/05/116.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/05/117.jpg
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/05/118.jpg
Now I screwed the cut out bit from the camry bracket onto the MR2 one but i am going to get it welded as the screw doen't allow the coil to sit flush.
Bonus is that it will mount in the original location and the wiring is long enough to reach.
And the plastic cover also goes back on.
Got the wiring done, filled gearbox and engine with oil - though i'd test the electrics and all the lights work on the dash.
Went to try and turn it over but all I can hear is the fuel pump (at least that works) but the battery is almost flat so got it on charge.
Question about the vacuum cannister
Will the engine run without it?
which way do the pipes go?
ITS STARTED
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2007/06/97.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e114/Hasad/?action=view¤t=09062007008.flv)
NICE:clap: :clap: . Fired straight up, good job there mate and the sound is unmistakable. Feels good?:)
roseward
09-06-2007, 22:36
Well done Garbe what did it feel like ? :beer:
the reason it was'nt starting is because i mixed up the starter energiser.
Thanks guys for all your help and especially paul, he talked me through loads of stuff and his wiring guide was spot on. I never would have thought I could do anything of this magnitude.
Long live TB
rosey i feel like this
:high: :high: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:
edit thanks to tony (4V6) for the engine mount, as without it i would never have attempted the swap.
how's it looking now matey?
Kudos to your for doing it!
will try and get some better footage, it was a bit dark and my hands were still shaking :gay:
lodgeman
09-06-2007, 23:53
well done mate!! :thumbsup: will it be at jae?
Jiff Lemon
10-06-2007, 00:06
you got an exhaust sorted yet or do you want a loan of BSM?
you got an exhaust sorted yet or do you want a loan of BSM?
bsm please - when you gonna drag him over
Paul Woods
10-06-2007, 09:10
well done hasad mate,a big achievement,full credit to you :thumbsup: make sure you're added to the swap register
Nice Juan Son. :mrgreen:
How many times have you drove it forward a bit, then backwards a bit, then forwards a bit, then....
Thanks guys could'nt have done it without ya :thumbsup:
Nice Juan Son. :mrgreen:
How many times have you drove it forward a bit, then backwards a bit, then forwards a bit, then....
I have'nt yet as I'm finishing some stuff and still got to bleed the clutch.
Had other stuff to do today and now i've gotta go to the airport, so no swap stuff - still buzzing from last nights start up.
OohMatron
11-06-2007, 10:01
A HUGE Well Done to that man :thumbsup:
Congratulations Hasad, it brought a tear to my eye hearing that V6 fire
for the first time..!!
Aaahhh the memories.....
You're gonna love driving it.
really can't wait to get it finished. my heart was working over time when it first roared into life and my hands were shaking afterwards for ages - what a buzz
Doing the coolant today
However when I ran it for a while I noticed that the yellow oil light was on.
Any ideas - Checked the oil level that was fine.
Just checked on this link and it's 'low oil warning light'
http://www.turbomr2.co.uk/imocstuff/warn/
Now when I was stripping the engine a wire broke off the sender on the sump, I reconnected it but i'm thinking that may be the problem.
How much oil do these engines take - I put about 4.5 litres in
So just remove the bulb? Although i'd like to sort it
OohMatron
18-06-2007, 09:58
I took the bulb out :freak3:
I'm well giddy today
Had a BSM pop round and sort my exhaust top job :thumbsup:
Will take some pics when I'm putting the under trays on.
Bled the clutch - proper bitch of a job - got there in the end.
Took it up the alley way - you can feel the power of this engine gagging to get out.
couple of wires to do on the engine bay fan then tidy up and do some testing :driving:
lodgeman
19-06-2007, 20:56
well done mate! bet your as happy as a dog with 2 dicks !! :thumbsup:
I have to say after seeing it in the flesh this man has not just built, he's CRAFTED that car, the attention to detail is second to none. Very well done mate, even I wouldn't had a go on my own as you have done. One very very nice car:thumbsup:
BSM did a fantastic job on the exhaust:praise2:
Hearing the car with the exhaust on is just awsome - I thought it would be really quite but no - its not loud but the noise it makes - you just know there's something special under the hood.
Back in london and still smiling from today.:mrgreen:
Wiring the engine bay fan is a right pita - wired in its on with the ignition - triple checked all the connections - opened the fuse box to make sure I had the correct wires from the relay but still no joy.
Also got the check engine light on
Whats the procedure for checking for fault codes?
On a brighter note - i took it up the alley way again and pressed the pedal a little - Boy does this thing pick up - it's almost scary :mrgreen:
On a brighter note - i took it up the alley way again
:hand: lol
I know you love your car man but come on!
Jiff Lemon
25-06-2007, 10:38
Also got the check engine light on
Whats the procedure for checking for fault codes?
E1 and TE1 together. Switch on ignition.
DId the diagnostic check and pulled
42 - I found this to be a No speed signal.
55 - Is this end of fault codes ?
What to do as i'm a rev1 and have a cable driven speedo
and is the 55 one correct.
it sits at about 1300-1400 on idle aswell
Paul Woods
01-07-2007, 09:08
okkkk...the code 42 is normal,all v6's will report the code 42 speed signal because of the way they are wired up,basically the ecu wont accept the mr2 speed signal from the clocks and it will hesitate going through the gears,so the 5v feed to the PURPLE/YELLOW wire gets rid of the symptom but it keeps recording the code 42,so dont worry about that one.
Now then,code 55,is a knock sensor failure...its either the front bank or rear bank i cant remember but its a total barsteward because to change the sensor means stripping half the engine down to get to it because they are right in the vee of the engine block.
However there is a way around this,having two knock sensors is a bit like having two kidneys,in that it will work fine on just one...ok it wont be reporting knock from one bank of cylinders but lets face it,if you're getting knock from one bank you're bound to be getting it from the other.
So if you cant be arsed to strip half the engine down to replace the faulty sensor you can join both sensor wires together so the ecu is reading the same signal from just one sensor,this will get rid of the error code....its a bit naughty but works.
The knock sensor wires are on that big grey plug beside the front O2 sensor plug,theres a thick black and a thick white wire in there,cut one of them (say black) and join it to white,reset the ecu and rev the engine up,if the check engine light comes back on and you now have a code 52 as well as a code 55 then rejoin the wire you just cut (black) and cut the white wire and join that to the black.
Really you should be changing the knock sensor though but this will work.
Thanks Paul
More bad news - One of my pipes from hell is leaking - When I had that tank out i made sure to give them a good look over - no rust or signs of leaking.
It looks as though it coming from near one of the bolt tabs just as it enters the tunnel near the tank. Its not too bad - but its gonna need changing :rant:
Paul Woods
01-07-2007, 15:45
yeah thats the one that usually goes,right on the brazed bracket that holds it to the tunnel,its a toyota design fault for sure.
bugger was fine when the 3s was in and when the tank was out for the fuel pump swap - hey hoo
Paul when you did the repair on the pipe from hell,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/burnersrepairedpipe.jpg
does it need a bracket ? so it does'nt knock the body
Paul Woods
02-07-2007, 18:58
no mate it doesnt need a bracket,its got enough support without it and the rubber joiner sits against the tunnel so theres no rattle or anything....to be honest i think half the problem with the factory set up is that it IS supported too rigidly and its fracturing on that bracket.
probably going to drop the tank this weekend and get it sorted.
cheers
Any idea's about the high idle?
Paul Woods
03-07-2007, 17:48
ISCV stuck open too far? or an O ring missing/split from/on the ISCV??? try clamping the bypass hose when its running with a pair of pliers and if its idle drops right down then its an ISCV issue of some sort.
If it is stuck open too far - would some sort of greasing help
Paul Woods
04-07-2007, 07:17
they do stick,its a common camry owners problem,but i freed that one off with plenty of wd40...so i doubt its that,more likely to be air leaking past it somehow....inspect the O rings i think mate.
Jiff Lemon
04-07-2007, 08:16
may be worth checking your vac hosing to the ACIS valve too (have a look in PeteC's post of testing). Think I had mine the wrong way round meaning it could suck extra air in (haven't had time to start the car up to confirm yet!). Oh and what did you do with the vacuum hose that runs from the ACIS to the Power steering pump valve? There's one that runs from the ICSV to the same power steering pump valve. Block em both off!
Jiff - i just joined those 2
I'm pretty sure i've got the ACIS vac hoses correct- when accelerating there is a noticeble surge when the revs increase.
Jiff Lemon
04-07-2007, 21:10
there's your problem matey! Blank the buggers! :thumbsup:
I thought that's how they went:shrug:
will sort it this weekend
Sponge Bob
05-07-2007, 01:02
16 days Hasad... ;) on target??
superchargedsam
05-07-2007, 01:32
16 days scary thought for sure!
Aye, definitely seeing as my engine isn't even in yet lol
superchargedsam
05-07-2007, 11:56
olie u planning on coming in the V6 fella?
Well Jeff - blocked both pipes off and it now idles correctly :thumbsup:
and just passed the MOT:boogie:
Jiff Lemon
07-07-2007, 12:22
Superb stuff matey! All systems go for JAE?
Whore of Babylon
08-07-2007, 08:55
I you dont mind, how much did your build cost? i plan to do a swap my self. Im in Aus, anyone know whats better? 3VZFE, 5VZFE or 1MZFE. Any info will be good.
Cheers,
John, aka Whore.
Edit: I like the i dea of having 3.4ltr and S/Cs are easyer to find for them.
Hi John and welcome to the nuthouse.
Costs really depend on where you are - there's a couple of guys and gals on here from down under. As they have already begun their swaps probably best to drop them a PM and take it from there.
Goodluck with the swap - as I found out - All the help you need is here:thumbsup:
I missed Santa pod - but i did get my exhaust sorted out and I finally sussed the engine bay fan issue. When I was wiring up, Stephen (Oooooohmatron) sent me a guide on how to wire the engine bay fan so it worls of the temp switch. I must have checked the wiring a hundred times but still could'nt get it to work.
Bought a engine bay fan controller from ebay the other day, popped it on and hey presto the fan is working as it should.:thumbsup:
Nice one. Maybe one day I'll get round to sorting the fan in mine
paff have a chat with the Jiffster, it should be sorted shortly after
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