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[woodycctv]

Hi
I bought my 1989 MR2 this week. I bought it as a non runner. Its still a non runner.
Engine turns over, there,s a spark, had an auto electrician out and he has checked injector power and pulse ok, new plugs fitted, dizzy cap and rotor.
He told me to check the timing in case it had jumped a cog but this is ok.
Tried with easy start and all it does it spit it back out of the inlet.
Not sure what to try next.
Any help would be great
Thanks
Mark

[Torero]

Ok so need some info, is it getting fuel to the cylinders?

Whip of the clip to the injector rail and check the pipe.

[snowtigger]

Have you checked your earths on the igniter?
If ignition is ok and your getting a spark at the spark plugs then smell the spark plugs do they smell of fuel if they do then it's mechanical if they don't then it's fuel related.

[adamh]

check all fuses on the car for continuity, checked the 15A EFI relay in the engine bay near the fuel flap fuse box they get old and loose contact sometimes, pull it out and clean up the contacts.
your fuel pump connects under the centre console via a white plastic plug, theres two of them iirc. so pick the right one, the wires dissapear down into the fuel tank. check its getting constant 12v @ when the key is turned /idle pos, listen for the whirr.

[thomp1983]

Mk1 or mr2? If it's not even trying to start with easy start and you can definitely see a spark then I'd be doing a compression test. It's unlikely the timing is far enough out it won't even attempt to start with easy start unless someone's had the engine apart and made a hash of it

[woodycctv]

Done a compression test. 1 and 2 are 155. 3 and 4 are 165

Mk1 or mr2? If it's not even trying to start with easy start and you can definitely see a spark then I'd be doing a compression test. It's unlikely the timing is far enough out it won't even attempt to start with easy start unless someone's had the engine apart and made a hash of it

[thomp1983]

Compressions fine then, can you confirm there's spark at all 4 plugs?

[cdwood2010]

Hello sir. No relation i presume? :)

Check the cam belt timing marks add up. Check the static ignition timing. Make sure the dizzy is pointed in the right direction. (Cyl no. 1 etc)

Things shouldn't get spat out of the inlet unless the engine got put together upside down (we've seen that before!). Is it possible its been in bits recently? People sell things when they get stuck. Look for tell tale marks and oily fingerprints.

If you've got fuel and you've got sparkys then its possible they're just not actually in the right place at the right time.

Generally an inspecting mechanic would assume an engine was assembled correctly.

Chris.

[cdwood2010]

Also buy some Doombar, its magical properties will fix most things.

:)

[woodycctv]

yes all 4 are sparking.

[woodycctv]

Mk1 or mr2? If it's not even trying to start with easy start and you can definitely see a spark then I'd be doing a compression test. It's unlikely the timing is far enough out it won't even attempt to start with easy start unless someone's had the engine apart and made a hash of it

Sorry its a MK1

[woodycctv]

Hi
Ive metered the feed to the pump and there is 12vdc on cranking only.
Not sure if this is correct.
Thanks
Mark

[woodycctv]

Ok so need some info, is it getting fuel to the cylinders?

Whip of the clip to the injector rail and check the pipe.

hi
I have checked and there is fuel pressure at the rail

[woodycctv]

Ok so need some info, is it getting fuel to the cylinders?

Whip of the clip to the injector rail and check the pipe.

Hi
Ive checked at there is fuel pressure at the rails

[woodycctv]

Have you checked your earths on the igniter?
If ignition is ok and your getting a spark at the spark plugs then smell the spark plugs do they smell of fuel if they do then it's mechanical if they don't then it's fuel related.

yes they oil up after Ive been turning it over for a while

[snowtigger]

Oooh doesn't sound good oil in the bores.

[woodycctv]

Hello sir. No relation i presume? :)

Check the cam belt timing marks add up. Check the static ignition timing. Make sure the dizzy is pointed in the right direction. (Cyl no. 1 etc)

Things shouldn't get spat out of the inlet unless the engine got put together upside down (we've seen that before!). Is it possible its been in bits recently? People sell things when they get stuck. Look for tell tale marks and oily fingerprints.

If you've got fuel and you've got sparkys then its possible they're just not actually in the right place at the right time.

Generally an inspecting mechanic would assume an engine was assembled correctly.

Chris.

Hi Chris
Ive lined the 3rd knick on the crankshaft pulley with the prong on the bottom casing. The camshaft pulleys have white marks on the cogs that line up with the lines on the back plate. The rotor is pointing to No1 and Piston 1 is at the top.
Your right it looks like things are happening but not at the right time or in the correct order.
How would I tell if the engine has been put together incorrectly. The engine bay is very clean and there is gasket seal on the inlet manifold.
The guy I bought it from said he had it running last spring and had trouble after swapping the dizzy cap. I have tried the old one with the rotor but still the same.
Thanks
Mark

[woodycctv]

Oooh doesn't sound good oil in the bores.

Sorry mean plugs are wet with petrol

[cdwood2010]

Ah. Clues.

Check the firing order - plug leads going to the right cylinders.

C.

[snowtigger]

What he said ^
And it's funny as my avens is had a misfire on cylinder 2 which turned out to be a leaky O ring seal from the cam cover, so my plugs were well and truly oiled up

[cdwood2010]

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2014/11/318.jpg

[Goldy]

Its possible that if the dizzy was changed something is out of alignment or the leads are in the wrong order

[Grenade]

That' what it's leading to. You guys are good I tell ya.

[Torero]

Yes, Im with Chris on this.

[woodycctv]

Thanks for all the help on this.
I think my next steps are to remove the old scropian alarm, check and double check the timing and maybe drop the fuel and put new in, not sure how old it is.
Thanks again
Mark

[cdwood2010]

I take it you checked the leads etc?

c/.

[woodycctv]

I take it you checked the leads etc?

c/.

Ye
They are numbered on the dizzy so 1 to cylinder 1 (Nearest the belts) 2 to 2 etc.

[Paul Woods]

If you get stuck trailer it to me and i'll have it running within 20 minutes, won't cost you a penny.

[woodycctv]

If you get stuck trailer it to me and i'll have it running within 20 minutes, won't cost you a penny.

Might take you up on that !!!!!
Thanks Paul

[Paul Woods]

No problem, at the very worst case you will leave knowing exactly what is wrong with it even if i can't get it going, but it would have to be pretty terminal for that to happen....i will get it running provided it doesn't have a serious mechanical issue.

[woodycctv]

No problem, at the very worst case you will leave knowing exactly what is wrong with it even if i can't get it going, but it would have to be pretty terminal for that to happen....i will get it running provided it doesn't have a serious mechanical issue.

Does that offer still stand Paul.

[Paul Woods]

Of course.

[cdwood2010]

Take hob nobs. And Bonios.

;)

[woodycctv]

Of course.

When the best time for you

[Paul Woods]

Take hob nobs. And Bonios.

;)

And lube...... plenty of lube.

Come any day you like Woody.

[woodycctv]

And lube...... plenty of lube.

Come any day you like Woody.

Hi Paul. Would I be ok to bring my car up to you on Monday.
Be there for midday if that's ok
Thanks again
Mark

[Paul Woods]

Hi Mark, i'm off duty now until 5th Jan, i was thinking about working this Monday/Tuesday but i have a raking dose of manflu right now and weak as a kitten.

Anytime in the new year will suit fine though.

[woodycctv]

Hi Mark, i'm off duty now until 5th Jan, i was thinking about working this Monday/Tuesday but i have a raking dose of manflu right now and weak as a kitten.

Anytime in the new year will suit fine though.
No worries Paul
Hope you feel well soon
Have a great Christmas

Merry Christmas to all that have offered their help
Mark

[Paul Woods]

If you get stuck trailer it to me and i'll have it running within 20 minutes, won't cost you a penny.

Ok so I lied...... it only took 15 minutes.

:)

[cdwood2010]

What was it?

C.

[Paul Woods]

Multiple issues, incorrect cam timing marks, dizzy in 180 out, TPS out of adjustment, idle air bleed issue.

[thomp1983]

Good work you can have mine next

[cdwood2010]

Lol, awsome.

C.

[Paul Woods]

Good work you can have mine next

Bring it over mate and i'll sort it.

[Phaeton]

Multiple issues, incorrect cam timing marks, dizzy in 180 out, TPS out of adjustment, idle air bleed issue.

All that in 15 minutes, did you stop for a brew? Super Hero at work!

[Paul Woods]

Well i found the issues and within 15 mins it was running, but spent about an hour tinkering with stuff to get it running better, adjusting timing etc.

[Phaeton]

Get of that pedestal right now! :wink:

[Paul Woods]

The view is awesome from up here.

[cdwood2010]

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2015/01/1.jpeg

[Paul Woods]

Don't worry it's in proportion to my penis.

[thomp1983]

Bring it over mate and i'll sort it.

thanks for the offer paul, im probably too stupid to take you up on it. it's strange ive plenty of motivation for helping anyone fix there problems but just can't be arsed with my own. hopefully friday will yield results im aiming for fitting my wideband setup and checking the timing

[Paul Woods]

Well if you get stuck plop it over and let's see if we can sort it.

[woodycctv]

Ok so I lied...... it only took 15 minutes.

:)

Sure it was less than that !!!!
Well I was amazed. Not many geniune people left but Paul is one of them. Really does know his stuff.
Cars going for an MOT tomorrow so hopfully on the road for weekend.
Thanks again Paul, really appreciate it.

[cdwood2010]

Did you let him put his finger inside you?

[Paul Woods]

You're more than welcome, i enjoy the challenge.