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smash
22-10-2012, 19:03
Well, I jumped in with both feet on this one!

Pros: Woodsport 3VZFE conversion, adjustable coil overs, Heywood and Scott loud pipey thing, Burgandy leather, full targa

Cons: Full targa - with no extra bracing, rear deck split, cracks at roof join, wibbly panels and rough finish

So someone obviously spent a fair bit on this car at some stage - the engine conversion we all know represents a few grand, the exhaust must've cost a grand, the interior retrim probably 1500, coil over conversion, correct size conti tyres all round - prolly 600 and then fitting the kit and painting. It's so weird that the kit fitment and finish is unbelievably rough considering the money that's been splashed. the car has been left for long periods as the previous owner works in Saudi most of the year - consequently it's a bit unloved.

When it was in storage the rear screen got broken - to change it they just cut a chunk out of the left hand buttress - nice!!

Thing is with the V6 and exhaust it does a very passable impression of the real thing and from 10 feet plus away the overall look of the car is reasonable convincing. It's the Extreme kit which is probably the most right looking out there (none of them are correct despite all the panels molded off the real thing BS!)

She cam to me with a broken drop link and I've only just managed to get a set of adjustables sorted. Next up is replacing the targa door window seals as it's leaking. Following that something a bit radical... I spoke to Paul about ways to wring extra go out of the 3VZ but as we know it's not a tuning behemoth and the only option really is the bolt on TRD charger. Paul suggested the other thing to concentrate on was weight - this MR2 is probably considerably lardier than the average wearing as it does and a heavy fibreglass skirt. I say skirt because, well it's quite funny looking underneath it to jack the car up cos you can see the MR2 in the middle and then this sort of hovercraft skirt of grp round the outside!

Anyway the double skin bonnet weighs a bloody ton - no joke it's ridiculously heavy and the rear deck is no lightweight either. Luckily I know a man who can help and has bravely offered to make me up an alloy bonnet and rear deck! www.bonvillepanelcraft.co.uk Buster's a top bloke with proper skills. So over the winter the old gal will be getting some new skin which will solve two probs - the weight and the rear deck split.

Before that though I have inner arch rubbing to contend with - going to need a bit of gentle reshaping of the tub to get proper clearance and also allow me to lower it a bit.

After the alloy panels are on it's body shop and paint - money, money, money!!!

This is what she currently looks like:

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/10/217.jpg

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http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/10/220.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/10/221.jpg

If you're in the Southend area and you see a rather dog eared Fezza gunning about the place say hello (it's alright, I don't mind if you wear dark glasses and a moustache so as not to be associated with it, lol!)

Goldy
22-10-2012, 19:11
looks reasonably smart to me! Nice to see one in silver rather than the usual red!

smash
22-10-2012, 19:36
Ha-ha! the wonders of photos.

Close ups reveal a little more of the issues...

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/10/222.jpg

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/10/223.jpg

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http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/10/225.jpg

snowtigger
22-10-2012, 19:54
Not bad have a look at pilot Petes now that's a good looking replica, with 2gr power best money spent if you want the go as well as the show.

smash
22-10-2012, 22:45
Seen Pilot Pete's on youtube - I'm extremely envious of that engine! I just can't justify the cost - I'll never recoup it - 355 reps top out at 10k these days. I must console myself with alloy bonnet and boot and (fingers crossed) a supercharger

briweekes
29-10-2012, 17:00
Aha, I was looking at that very car when it was for sale, looks great IMHO. Have one already, the wife would not have been impressed. I used to live near southend (Rayleigh), and my brother has a specialist fibreglass manufacturing facility on Canvey Island, send me a message if you need any help (als the F355 replica (private) facebook group). I'm guessing you havn't seen many 355 reps, I'd say 70% are very rough. There are some amazing ones in the Italian replica car club, dare I say- as good as or better (ie usable) than the real deal in a couple of cases- you think that one has had lots of money spent, you've not seen anything yet! It'd be good to meet up, I get to Southend a fair bit

smash
30-10-2012, 10:10
Brian - I'm in the centre of Southend any time you're about give us a shout. GRP specialist? You're my new bestest pal!! LOL!

FB group would be great - I'll pm you.

smash
07-11-2012, 19:42
I have got exactly the sum total of nowhere on the car so far. I've not even fitted the new adjustable drop links I finally got!

Actually I have done something. Possibly one of the most essential items ever - what better for a fake Ferrari than a fake Momo steering wheel! (No-mo as I like to call it).

Lack of funds is causing agro as my other toy has failed to sell and is likely to come back to me (had it on sale or return at a kit car specialist) so I am a man of cars but no money!

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/11/73.jpg

smash
15-11-2012, 14:54
And to top it off I got a flat rear offside at weekend - didn't notice and the alloy sliced a nice hole in inner wall so tyre is total loss. Strange even with massive hole and clearly no air the tyre still doesn't look that flat!

To make matters worse the rears are Continental ContactSport 265 40 17....ouch!

In the end I managed to source part worn with 5mm @ 50 delivered so not too bad

dogrough
05-03-2013, 15:04
I have been warned about doing a full targa conversion on thr mk2 MR2, some say it affects the handling, others say it weakens it to much, so what do people think? It looks right for the replicas, i saw Extremes yellow car with full targa & it had me guessing, so is it a can do or has there to be more bracing?

headcase
05-03-2013, 17:19
if its not a tbar turbo shell then i would not cut the roof off , i cut the roof of a tbar turbo and its still ok hast bent yet

patrick

snowtigger
05-03-2013, 18:19
T bars have more bracing than just normal roof cars that's how the spyders were made headcase, they got a tbar body and loped the roof off.

I don't think that tiny bit of steel is going to do a lot in a roll over or even a frontal crash.

cdwood2010
05-03-2013, 19:33
I have been warned about doing a full targa conversion on thr mk2 MR2, some say it affects the handling, others say it weakens it to much, so what do people think? It looks right for the replicas, i saw Extremes yellow car with full targa & it had me guessing, so is it a can do or has there to be more bracing?

Balls!

Plenty of them around, although I'm not sure anyone has tried it with a tintop?

Oh and welcome to TwoBrutal!

Lets have some pictures of you with that grinder!

;)

headcase
05-03-2013, 23:54
Noooooooooo dont cut a tin top off .

snowtigger
06-03-2013, 01:01
A tin top will fold like a pack of cards not a good idea as the top is a major structure .

widebodystarlet
06-03-2013, 01:02
If you cut the top off at least put some roll bars for the seats, and maybe fill the rockers and associated frame rails with that expanding foam...

Torero
06-03-2013, 14:52
If you cut the top off at least put some roll bars for the seats, and maybe fill the rockers and associated frame rails with that expanding foam...Unfotunately this will miss the mark by a country mile.

The roof (as Tiggs said) is an integral part of the monocoque structure and the strength is contained in the self supporting shape. Change the shape and you lose the integrity, a bit like moving the pole out of the centre of a tent.

Cut the roof off and the chassis will flap like a seagull on acid.

snowtigger
06-03-2013, 16:35
Unfotunately this will miss the mark by a country mile.

The roof (as Tiggs said) is an integral part of the monocoque structure and the strength is contained in the self supporting shape. Change the shape and you lose the integrity, a bit like moving the pole out of the centre of a tent.

Cut the roof off and the chassis will flap like a seagull on acid.

Hey John let them get on with it as long as they post a vid up of opening both passenger and drivers door and then trying to shut them both after the roofs come off will be hilarious .
Even pros fuck it up there was an American car show were two teams have to build a wicked car in like 7 days and one team did a roof chop on a car that was never a convertible, they strengthened as much as possible but 5 mins on the road and it collapsed in the middle lol.

dogrough
06-03-2013, 20:10
O.K i did'nt say it was a T bar i was thinking of doin but all of a sudden everyone is going on about a 'Tin Top' and i never said it was a Tin Top. Dont think i know anyone daft enough to think you could slice into a roof & expect it to remain safe. So again is it possible to do a full targa on the 'T'bar

headcase
06-03-2013, 21:05
O.K i did'nt say it was a T bar i was thinking of doin but all of a sudden everyone is going on about a 'Tin Top' and i never said it was a Tin Top. Dont think i know anyone daft enough to think you could slice into a roof & expect it to remain safe. So again is it possible to do a full targa on the 'T'bar
On a tbar turbo yes as ive cut the roof on one see my build 2gr spider . But if u in uk u then have togo though a iva if u changing. Logbook .

Patrick

headcase
06-03-2013, 21:08
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?19962-new-project-2gr-spider

dogrough
09-03-2013, 20:39
Well i was looking for some advice,maybe from someone who had removed the bar, maybe a bit of advice on making up the roof etc, but i looked again & what i got were people ready to drag someone down for cutting up a 'Tin Top' which i never said i was going to do. I then pointed this out & was prepared to take the blame for the 'mistake' of not pointing out it was a 'Tbar', rather than people jumping to a (wrong) conclusion. So is there any advice? or is it just people out there post for the sake of posting, & the chance to rip into someone, make some silly joke or get all 'Girlie' & superior.

snowtigger
09-03-2013, 20:57
By this time I would have lost patience and brought out the grinder and cut the t top bar off if your not using your T tops and have a replacement full panel for the gap instead of two parts, get the fook on with it man get the bastard ground off Ffs .

If you do it so you can weld the bar back in if you don't like it kudos to you for doing it.

dogrough
13-03-2013, 14:20
Try not to lose patience, just go in & have a brew, things tend to get better 'mug in hand,' but i have been taught to be cautious. so knowing the ins & outs is handy. Thought this of all the forums would be wall to wall good advice. After seeing Headcase's project it looks like i may be OK, but i am still a bit iffy because i was told by a couple of good engineers it would not be the best idea, any advice, anywhere? or just 'Get the fook on with it man!'

snowtigger
13-03-2013, 17:13
If your that worried leave it the fook alone, if your sills are ok not shot full of holes like a B17 coming back from a bombing raid on Berlin, get the fook on with it.

It's the chassis that has to be immaculate underneath as your asking it to take a tiny bit extra weight, I've known a few T bars were the roof T bit has rusted out and was doing fook all any way.

C'mon lads give him a few engineers ideas put his mind at rest.

smash
30-07-2013, 07:25
Now for sale on PH and fleabay for 4,000!

pilotpete
30-07-2013, 17:46
A few of the guys with the Ferrari replicas, based on the MR2 tbar, have cut out the Tbar and fitted a removable single piece roof. The Tbar piece is only a thin piece of steel spot welded in place to mount the glass sections to. There is no support there. None of our cars have folded in two, as some peeps on here thought they might, there is no extra scuttle shake since it was removed and no evidence of door gaps etc closing. Mine has been removed over 3 years now & no problems.

snowtigger
30-07-2013, 18:20
Plus Pete you have the mighty 2gr to bend the chassis as well and it hasn't done that yet.

And as Patrick has done on a t bar just cut the whole bloody roof of and make it a convertible 355 rep?

dogrough
06-08-2013, 15:50
Good enough for me, plenty of people who know what they are talking about say it can be done, so when I get it back from having the 1MZ put in its out with the grinder. Already got the one piece roof plus the two glass panels that I have taken the locking bars off. Looking forward to doing it. Don't know how well it will seal when done, but should be o.k if I don't take it out in the rain.