mk1.6 transmissions and driveshafts

[sixafterfour]

Alright, i think we need to have one of these threads for the mk 1.6.
For the 3vz-fe and the 1mz-fe swaps into the mk1 mr2 there are these options available.
EDIT: updated 5/15/09

Transmissions and Driveshafts

E153-Non LSD-
-ST185 Front Driveshafts with v6 auto output shaft.*/**
-Mk2 turbo non lsd shafts with st185 outer CV joints (partsinabox number OJ-0220/30) and mk2 turbo supported shaft.**
-Mk1 SC shafts (non supported set up)

e153-LSD- (going to need a mk2 rev1 mechanical speedo drive,or a mk1 SC one)
-mk2 lsd drive shafts with st185 outer CV joints (partsinabox number OJ-0220/30)**
-Two left side Mk1 SC shafts bolted to mk2 turbo LSD output stubs **
-st185 shafts bolted to mk2 LSD output stub on the left side and v6 auto supported shaft on the right side.*/**

s54-(with LSD or not)(either late rev5 mk2 box or non LSD box fitted with mk3 LSD) and non LSD
-Mk2 NA shafts
-Any 3sge engined celica shafts,these use a supported shaft and will need a bearing carrier bracket making
-Mk3 shafts,again a supported type and will need a bearing carrier bracket making.


*Anything using an st185 driveshaft with camry v6 auto supported shaft will have a different engine location (sitting about 20mm further to the right) due to the left shaft needing more space to fit.The v6 jigs out there are configured for a mk2 turbo or mk2 NA shaft placement)

**All E153 onto either 3vz or 1mz engines will require the carrier bearing moving 4mm towards the diff on the supported shaft.


Transmissions, Clutches and Flywheels
Note: 8 flywheel bolts (part 90105-10207 from your dealer, really cheap), they are mk1 NA flywheel bolts

e-153 Turbo tranny (LSD or not)
-Modified Turbo Flywheel(elongate the holes) and complete turbo clutch
-3vz-fe or 1mz-fe flywheel and complete turbo clutch

s54
-a fidanza flywheel (Part#130881) and a turbo pressure plate and an N/A friction plate
-a 5sfe flywheel that must be machined then a N/A pressure and N/A friction plate
-a 3vz-fe manual flywheel with Turbo pressure plate and a N/A friction plate
-Mk2 N/A flywheel and complete Mk2 N/A clutch.

[OlberJ]

E153-Non LSD-
- ST185 ends with v6 auto output shaft.
- ST185 ends with tubby output shafts.
- Mk1 Supercharger short and long shaft.

e153-LSD-
- Mk2 tubby lsd drive shafts and ST185 ends.

s54
- Mk2 N/A long and short shaft.
- Celica supported long shaft and short shaft.

S54 with LSD
- Mk2 N/A long and short shaft.
- Celica supported long and short shaft.

They ALL need the Rev1 Mechanical speedo drive OR a nifty electric to mechanical convertor. :)

Not sure if the Mk1 S/C's ever came with LSD? If so i think those may be able to be used with the tubby LSD box.

There's also the manual Camry box that can be used but we'll need some friends from across the pond to clarify that one.

[Paul Woods]

E153-Non LSD-
-ST185 Front Driveshafts with v6 auto output shaft.*/**
-Mk2 turbo non lsd shafts with st185 outer CV joints (partsinabox number OJ-0220/30) and mk2 turbo supported shaft.**
-Mk1 SC shafts (non supported set up)
e153-LSD- (going to need a mk2 rev1 mechanical speedo drive,or a mk1 SC one)
-mk2 lsd drive shafts with st185 outer CV joints (partsinabox number OJ-0220/30)**
-Two left side Mk1 SC shafts bolted to mk2 turbo LSD output stubs **
-st185 shafts bolted to mk2 LSD output stub on the left side and v6 auto supported shaft on the right side.*/**
s54-LSD(either late rev5 mk2 box or non LSD box fitted with mk3 LSD) and non LSD
-Mk2 NA shafts
-Any 3sge engined celica shafts,these use a supported shaft and will need a bearing carrier bracket making
-Mk3 shafts,again a supported type and will need a bearing carrier bracket making.


*Anything using an st185 driveshaft with camry v6 auto supported shaft will have a different engine location (sitting about 20mm further to the right) due to the left shaft needing more space to fit.The v6 jigs out there are configured for a mk2 turbo or mk2 NA shaft placement)

**All E153 onto either 3vz or 1mz engines will require the carrier bearing moving 4mm towards the diff on the supported shaft.

[Paul Woods]

Edited with all i know on the subject,pay special attention to the * and ** notes,its not just a simple matter of A will bolt to B,moving to drivetrain and sticky'ing

[sixafterfour]

Added clutch/flywheel information!

[OlberJ]

Put on there a modded Mk2 N/A flywheel and complete Mk2 N/A clutch.

Nobody really uses it anymore but it is an option :thumbsup:

[sixafterfour]

For what gear box? s54 or e153 or both?

[OlberJ]

S54 gearbox chief.

[aigochamaloh]

Question: I was going to go the MK2 turbo axle route, but one of the inner CVs are bad in the axles I bought. Now I have parts to go two routes I think.

-I have brand new ST165/1988 Camry V6 halfshafts.
-I have brand new ST165 outer CVs.
-1995 Avalon V6 supported shaft
-MK2 Turbo axles, long side is fine, short side - inner CV is rusted

So I was going to use the complete turbo setup but switch the ST165 outer CVs on there. That would be ideal correct?

But the ST165 halfshafts will work on the V6 auto shaft? Will my Avalon supported auto shaft bolted to the ST165 halfshaft work? How about the other side, bolt the ST165 halfshaft onto the MK2 turbo axle stub? If this way is supposed to work, since the ST165 halfshafts are longer than the turbos, is the auto shaft shorter than the turbos?

[ThingyNess]

I've sent you this link before. It's from Paul's original build thread. :)

http://www.mr2mk1club.com/V6MR2.html

Look at the diagram about 2/3 of the way down the page. Yes, the v6 auto intermediate/supported shaft is shorter than the turbo shaft.

And I've bolted my '88 camry v6 shaft(s) I bought from rockauto already to my v6 auto intermediate shaft and v6 auto short stub shaft and all is well on that front.

[aigochamaloh]

Oh damn that's what I forgot, the short stub off the auto tranny. Good thing I didn't toss the old auto tranny.

I hope the Avalon supported junk is the same as the camry's you're getting your 1mz's from.

[fredhoon]

With the ST185 outer CV's from partsinabox
http://www.partsinabox.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_01_92_08_93___All__4X4_12249.html

Would I be correct in assuming these are both the same and I can order either of them the suit the 1MZ & E153 using SW20 Turbo shafts?

[knightrous]

Just looking for a confirmation here before I throw some cash around. Putting a 1MZ + S54 into my MK1B AW11. I only need the SW20 NA shafts as per the first post in this thread? This will replace my current shafts from the hub to gearbox?

[OlberJ]

Yep, or get the Celica supported shaft on there to remove the torque steer (defo worthwhile)

[knightrous]

Thanks OlberJ, I'll probably just pick up the MK2 shafts since it's easiest (comes with the gearbox)

[knightrous]

For the 1MZ + Fidanza flywheel combination, what flywheel bolts are required?
I assume standard Camry flywheel bolts (For Manual), but have a feeling AW11 bolts have been mentioned here before?

EDIT: found in another thread that #90105-10138 (Camry) are fine for the 1MZ+Fidanza combo.

[Paul Woods]

Regardless of which bolts you use, you MUST double check them for depth into the crank to make sure they aren't bottoming out, we check every single one even though we have done it many times before, it will save you a whole world of pain just doing this 2 minute check.

Also make sure you check clearance between the back of your clutch plate and bolt heads.

[knightrous]

Will do Paul!
Camry bolts worked out real cheap, $3ea from the local Toyota dealer :)

[aussiemr2]

Will do Paul!
Camry bolts worked out real cheap, $3ea from the local Toyota dealer :)

Is the Camry bolt the part code you posted above?, I got the Mk1 ones but they seem a bit short for the Fidanza, i recon I can go a good 5mm more, can you please measure the length of the bolts for me

[knightrous]

#90105-10138 are the ones I ordered. I'll measure them at lunch.
OT: Where abouts in Aus are you?

[aussiemr2]

#90105-10138 are the ones I ordered. I'll measure them at lunch.
OT: Where abouts in Aus are you?

I'm in Perth, when I previously tried to order Camry bolts not sure what code I used but they where not locally available and stupidly expensive so I got the Mk1 MR2 ones with the codes on here which where about the same price you paid but they are only going about half way into crank
I have noticed ARP do ones which are a good 5mm longer than mine for the 4age so I might be ordering a set as I am getting other stuff anyway

[tonydinh]

did you end up getting the 4age bolts aussiemr2?

[Kotaru]

Quick question, I have two unmolested 4agze automatic ( I assume they are the same as the manual) axles I was lucky enough to find in a junkyard. Will they simply bolt up to a non-LSD e153 with out modifications?

[Paul Woods]

As long as the inner CV has that 6 bolt flange then yes it will bolt straight to the output stubs of any E153.

[Kotaru]

Awesome, thanks paul!

[knightrous]

Random question for those out there.
Are the MK1 NA drive shafts the same length as the MK2 NA drive shafts?

I've taken a rather large dislike to the 1-piece design of the MK2 NA shafts and I'm considering on using the MK1 shafts, but cutting the splined input shaft from the MK2 shafts and transplanting it onto the MK1 flanged stubs. This will give me two piece drive shafts that will work on my V6 project and allow me to run a ZZW30 LSD in my C56 gearbox on my 20V project.

[Paul Woods]

Some conflicting info in your post there, i think you're a little confused, just to clarify....

Mk1 NA and Mk2 NA shafts are the same length, they both fit a Mk1 with a Mk2 NA gearbox.

Mk2 NA shafts are the same design as Mk1, they are not 2 piece, ie no supported shaft like a Mk2 turbo has, there is no difference using a Mk2 shaft, a Mk1 shaft won't work with a Mk2 NA gearbox anyway, its input shaft is 1mm smaller diameter than a Mk2 NA shaft.

If you want a 2 piece shaft setup you will need a Celica supported shaft, and a Mk2 NA short shaft, you can then build a frankenshaft that is the correct length for your Mk1 V6 and you will also need to make a support bracket for it on the block. The same shaft will also work on your 20v setup with ZZW30 LSD, but not with the stock C series diff. ZZW30 shafts will not fit a Mk1 hub which would be the obvious answer to having a supported shaft setup.

Hope that helps.

[knightrous]

The MK2 NA shafts cannot be unbolted from the stubs that enter the gearbox and diff. As seen below on my MK2 NA shafts (unequal length) mounted into my S54 gearbox. This means you have to drain the oil from the gearbox and bugger around every time you drop it the gearbox :(
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/03/189.jpg

My MK1 NA shafts (unequal length) you can unbolt from the stub. Below is a picture of my C56 box with the MK1 shaft stub still in the box. The MK1 shaft was unbolted via 6 bolts and were left in the car during the gearbox removal process. I didn't have to drain any oil out of the gearbox because of this.
http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/images/recovered/2012/03/190.jpg

If the MK1 shafts are the same length as the MK2 shafts, I'm going to look at cutting the spline from the MK2 shafts, then cut the spline off the MK1 stub flange and weld the MK2 spline into the MK1 stub flange. This will let me run MK1 shafts on a S54 gearbox, or use a ZZW30 LSD in my C56 gearbox with MK1 shafts. :cool:

[Paul Woods]

Ah i see what you're trying to do now, i thought you meant two piece as in supported/unsupported shafts... right well in theory what you are suggesting will work, but welding the stub axles is a big ask of someones skills, hats off to you if you can pull that off.

[cdwood2010]

Would it not be easier to get the axle rods machined / modified to use different stubs?

Even I pulled a face at welding them!

C.

[knightrous]

Welding them won't be easy, even if I use pre-heat and slow cooling methods to ensure the welds are strong (Done this before with welding up/locking diffs for speedway), will probably have to speak to an engineer about this. I think it will require something like a key system to give the spline something to drive off of instead of just the weld holding it to the flange. I might see if I can get some CNC stuff involved to machine a hex hole in the flange and then a matching hex on the spline shaft.

Looks like a project within a project :D

[snowtigger]

I would just get some bigger axles of some thing else and get them machined to the correct spline on the shaft, even better if there longer you can slice the end off then machine the splines and reharden them, that sounds easier than dicking about with slots and welding.

[wolkersdorfer2]

This is all great info guys, how much of this info is good for the 2gr as well? Im looking at buying clutch pressure plate, clutch disk and flywheel but don't know what will work! Not sure if i will use the e153 or the s54 so info for both would be awesome, thanks