Insurance.....mk2 NA -> mk2 V6 ?

[mark_a_thorpe]

Hey there folks! Not been on for a whiley!

Turns out my 3sge is taping like a mofo from top and bottom when warm, and within the next few months a rebuild would be needed....but why the hell would I rebuild a 3sge? That's just plain stupid financially imo, so thinking V6 rather than turbo as I just had a clutch etc done and I'd wanna stick with my own gearbox!

So just wondering what insurance companies I could call for quotes?

Right now im 23, 2 years driving, NAMED driver -- 593 per year.
If I went tubby they wanted me to go on my own policy, and it was gonna cost just short of 2k a year....! Ouch!

So just wondering if the V6 route would be similar price?

[biteme]

Try this thread mate

http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=12045

[mark_a_thorpe]

Ahhh cheers matey, thats a start!

[mark_a_thorpe]

Argggg 2k with HIC....

[biteme]

Try APlan - they've always done me proud

[mark_a_thorpe]

for engine swaps i assume?

[biteme]

Yep. I've got my V6 insured with them.

[mark_a_thorpe]

alrighty dude I'll give them a call after sky... :D

[mark_a_thorpe]

Sky are the best! 986 under my own name! WOW :D

[MOG7]

Very nice mate :thumbsup:

[biteme]

Good stuff!

[Paff]

Nice one mate.

Always nice to get the insurance quote under 1k, sort of makes your mind up then.

Oh and Mog, I saw your recruiting skills on the OC, your doing well mate, just gota join me in pursuading matt to swap his now :)

[Charged]

Sky are the best! 986 under my own name! WOW :D

:thumbsup: We seem to insure a lot of Two Brutal members!

I actually tried A Plan for a quote last week for a bit of market research.... they wouldn't touch my 1.5. HIC on the other hand would and they offered me a very good price but not quote as good as Sky ;)

[MOG7]

Nice one mate.

Always nice to get the insurance quote under 1k, sort of makes your mind up then.

Oh and Mog, I saw your recruiting skills on the OC, your doing well mate, just gota join me in pursuading matt to swap his now :)


Haha it must be just rubbing off on me!

[mark_a_thorpe]

Well I'm now hunting for someone that'll do a swap cheap enough for me to afford (seeing as this wasn't planned!). Insurance is a GO, so just need to find a labourer :D As much as I admire Paul's work (very much so), this spur of hte moment decision means I can't afford the labour, the camry annnnd the insurance all in one.

Anyone have any suggestions of folks that are doing it cheapo stylee? And don't suggest I do it myself, as I'm useless, and rubbish and not capable :(

[MOG7]

Dp it yourself mate, it won't be as hard as you think, i'm starting my build in the next week and the most i have ever done is change a battery and fix a wiper(which broke)

[mark_a_thorpe]

lol not a chance! I'm no good with this stuff! body work perhaps....styling tips, maybe, design work, drinking beer and seducing loose women....YES.....but transplanting engines....nuhhhhh uh dude! I can barely change brakes and the likes!

[MOG7]

Where is Paff to convince someone when you need him lol

I'm not sure who would be able to do it for you though...

[Paff]

Here I am.

Seriously mate, give it a shot yourself. It will be the cheapest way. You might think its too much for you but its into a mk2, that makes it a lot easier and quicker for you.

Add to that you WILL learn a lot in doing the swap. and you get the satisfaction of turning round to people and saying I did that :)

Plus look how many people are here to help you out.
Seriously its worth a go, and like Mark says, he's changed a battery before and now is gonna attempt it himself.

[mark_a_thorpe]

Very encouraging I must admit....and fair enough he's changed a battery before and is giving it a bash, but it doesn't mean it's all gonna go smoothly!

For example...tools and the likes? What would I need? Then there's the wiring etc which looks like a bitch to do! Not to mention space! I have a garage, but would this mean leaving my car all open in the garage and having the camry sitting outside? I'm a busy lad, so it's not like I could do this in a week ysee :(

[MOG7]

Well i've sourced an engine on a pallet luckily enough and using the garage at home, still cleaning it at the moment to make space. But between me and my helper Ray :D we will have access to the few tools we don't have, it isn't gonna be done in an awful rush as i have another car for day to day use while this is being done. Also if it doesn't work, which i don't see why it won't at least i have not spent a fortune. I'm doing it because like you i have a shot 3sge and don't see the point of rebuilding it and might aswell give the v6'ing a go.

But don't get me wrong i do not really know how i'm going to tackle this and 1 month ago i would have laughed if someone suggested i do it myself...

[mark_a_thorpe]

Well I look forward to seeing how you get on in that case! Make sure you document it well! :D

And if you fancy doing a swap diary for mr2only, give me a shout ;)

[mark_a_thorpe]

out of interest, what specialist tools are you using? Infact have you got a list of all the tools you're using?

[MOG7]

mr2only feature, noe thats putting me under pressure, the only tools we think we need that we don't have is an engine crane. We have axel stands, jacks, i have a couple tool boxes with plenty of tools so hopefully they will be enough. Getting the car high enough to drop the engine out and enough room to slide it out was my biggest worrsy but Paff let me know an east way of doing it using the engine crane. I will certainly keep a detailed guide as best i can:nerd: . And fingers crossed it all works out...

[Paff]

Yeah, it'll all go fine.

Mark, seriously its a lot more worrying thinking about it than it is to carry it out.

Realistically the specialist tool you will need is the engine crane, the rest isn't bad.
The mk2 boys have it easy. There is no cutting of the firewall, you need to modify a flywheel (or get Tony to do it) and bolt things together leaving a couple of pipes and some wiring to sort.

Pauls guide gives a step by step wiring guide for the mk2, the mk1 has to be a combination of 2 guides and a phone call or 2 to Paul himself :)

The help on this site is endless so if you get stuck within 24hours max you usually get a reply.

with leaving things outside, you can get the engine out of a camry in 1 day, no real special tools, but a grinder is useful. Then a day to get your engine out of the mk2. Get the box (na doesn't even need the supported bracket) flywheel and clutch bolted together, get the 1 mount you need fitted and you could even just bolt it back into the car for storage :)

If Mog struggles, there will be me telling him not to give up and I might see how time\money is looking and go drink some guiness over there to lend a hand :)

Seriously don't think you can't do it, look at it as a way to learn and at the end of it all you will be happy with your result.

[MOG7]

Your more than welcome over Paff, i'm sure the more hands the better, plus some experience. I'll pay with some guinness if that makes you happy :D

[Paff]

Sounds good to me. Now Just need to sort out money to get there and spare time. I'm sure I can buy some somewhere tho. maybe off ebay :)

If I can make it tho I'll be happy to help out :)

[mark_a_thorpe]

Hmm you guys make it sounds so damn easy!

This talk about head work and the likes? What about that? And what about the tricks to get the extra pony power?

[MOG7]

I'm not getting any headwork done as i don't plan on turboing THIS one but head gasket and water pump and maybe timing belt will have to be swapped, new ones can be got on ebay cheap enough. Hopefully a bit of paint while the engine is out to make it a bit special looking.

Thankfully all the advice from EVERYONE on here puts your mind at ease, i was told to just take it one big part at a time. Wiring does look like a pain in the ar$e but if i get that far soon i'll be happy man. After that is done then its on to try making it as good looking on the outside as yours is Mark...

[mark_a_thorpe]

Meh the outside's easy mate! It's the mechanical and electrical side I've never understood!

[Paff]

Meh the outside's easy mate! It's the mechanical and electrical side I've never understood!

Used to be the same mate, just ask people what my mk1 used to come out like.

Ok I dabbled with mechanicals but come a long way since then.

My V6 has had no headwork done yet, maybe on the next build, but def worth doing ead gaskets and water pump or you'll end up taking the engine back out to do them later. Doh

[mark_a_thorpe]

Cheers paff :D

What about all the bits that need modified or replaced? Mounts etc? And there's always talk of replacing a section of the exhaust with a Y pipe iirc? Best place to get this/get it done?

[MOG7]

Thankfully for us mk2 owners there is only one mount that needs to be made, somebody on here is going to take on making them, can't remember who though. The flywheels needs to be replaced and modded slightly which again someone on here does, i have a spreadsheet of all the names and places for the parts are needed, i'll have a look at it after work and let you know what i've came accross. I have a mongoose but am selling it to Ray i think, it will give me some more funds for the build and then i'm just going to go for a simple custom exhaust when all is done...

[mark_a_thorpe]

Hmm I have a goose aswell...I thought modding the goose was ok to do?

[MOG7]

Ye it is, any exhaust can fit as long as you get a middle section made up. I just don't really want the goose anymore, plus the money will come in handy lol.

[mark_a_thorpe]

But a goose will only sell for maybe 150gbp? How much would a custom cost?

[MOG7]

Well i'm thinking about €300 for the goose, its only been on since just before christmas so is almost brand new. I'm not sure on he cost of a sustom but i would presume about the same price or maybe a small bit more for a simple straight through exhaust...

[mark_a_thorpe]

Hmmm fair enough mate! What sort of timescale are you hoping to adhere to Mark?

[MOG7]

I hope to have it done in about 2-3 months roughly, depending on funds and how quickly i can get parts... I was going to go for the wide arches from paul but i'm just gonna fit wide alloys now and get the lips turned out a small bit if i can, also needs a bit of a respray or just a touch up in a few places...

[Paff]

Mog, youre staring to sound like your really getting the hang of it all now :) see didn't take long before you worked out whats needed.

As regards to those parts you mk2 boys need.

4V6 does the flywheel modification and used to do the mounts but I belive BSM is wanting to take that on.

As for the exhaust you have a few options. Mine on the mk1 is a standard downpipe and flexi with the restrictor plate removed and joined up to a home made system that is about 2 foot long in total.

You can get new pipes made up but its not necerssary.

If you can get the standatrd Y pipe modified to fit the flange off the mongoose you can pretty much have a system that you can bolt any mk2 exhaust to as if it always meant to be there. The goose is fairly loud with the V6, possibly not as loud as a 2foot straight through box tho :)

The world is your catfish n all that.

[mark_a_thorpe]

2-3 months?? That's a long time! I was thinking maybe more like 4-5 weeks of working in the evenings etc... :S

[MOG7]

Ye, i never really put much time into thinking about the time, my whole car needs a bit of a seeing to so for the whole thing about that long plus i'm only doing this as i have the money, i suppose when i have all the parts collected it shouldn't take to long...

[MOG7]

Incase you haven't seen it and want some more reading http://forums.twobrutal.com/index.php?page=dlds

[Paff]

4-5 weeks should be doable mate, as Mog says, he plans on going over the entire of his car so will possibly take longer. For a straight swap, get stuck in and you should be laughing, just get all the parts together first :)

[mark_a_thorpe]

Cheers matey have them saved anyways :D There isnt a mk2 step by step hiding anywhere though is there?

[Paff]

and that link Mog posted takes you to a place that makes the wiring look like a simple childs game, oh you lucky mk2 guys :)

[mark_a_thorpe]

LOL wiring is never simple...I'm a dab hand at screwing up anything electrical related! Just ask my car stereo :D

[Paff]

mk2 step by step isn't written cos it goes like this.

Take engine out.
Remove gearbox, clutch and flywheel.
Bolt to 3vz with modded fly.
attach modified bracket.
Fit engine.
Connect pipes
join wires
turn key.

Bear in mind that description might miss out the total details but its ok when you're doing it

[MOG7]

http://mr2oc.co.uk/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=89090.html

This is a step by step on how wibble got his 3sge out, should help for us beginners lol

[mark_a_thorpe]

lol @ Paff....sounds easy! :D

Mark, yup I know matey, I'm doing a feature on the whole 3sge to 3sge swap for the mag ;)

[MOG7]

and that link Mog posted takes you to a place that makes the wiring look like a simple childs game, oh you lucky mk2 guys :)


Well it'd better not be like Operation because i always got shocked when i played that lol

[Paff]

It is easy, you read the mk1 version :)

gonna be doing a rev1 stock to rev3 with 360bhp sometime for a mate, no doubt Paul will be pestered by me when I get stuck on the wires :) Altho it should be almost as easy as a V6 swap :)

[Paff]

Oh and Mog its more like Kerplunk, touch the wrong cable and thats it, a lap full of marbles :)

You'll be fine guys :)

[Marksman]

I'm doing a feature on the whole 3sge to 3sge swap for the mag ;)

That sounds exciting. rotflmao

I presume you meant 3VZ-FE :hidesbehi

Owen.

[mark_a_thorpe]

You'd have thought so.....but no! I meant that I said matey -- a knackered 3sge with bob (poohbears) gorgeous 3sge. Actually an interesting read to be honest and something that might be useful for those that don't want to go higher power.

[Marksman]

Ah-ha, that sounds better :thumbsup:

I hereby retract my sarky comment :blush:

Owen.

[biteme]

That sounds exciting. rotflmao

I presume you meant 3VZ-FE :hidesbehi

Owen.

That was very "pink place"

[Marksman]

That was very "pink place"

[selfflagulationsmilie]

Owen.

[mark_a_thorpe]

Hmm, with the V6 conversion on a mk2.......do I keep my current rad? Just wondering as mines has suddenly started leaking...

[MOG7]

My god you really are having bad luck with that car the last month aren't ya?

I know the standard rad will do but i'm not sure about upgrading it...

[mark_a_thorpe]

yup, bad couple of months so far matey! Clutch, brakes, handbrake, ENGINE, rad etc....ugh